Yea I think that it would be a totally cool idea if drugs were legalized.. Uh well that is if you want to have a hole world of brain blown people. I can only imagine.. I mean think about how horrible and sick this world already is.. I really just can imagine it getting any worse. Also the thing about it being the same as smoking is stupid.. Because of a couple of things.. Like smoking doesn't mess your brain all up. Not saying that smoking is ok. Its just not as bad as drugs.
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Horrible and sick world? 60% of Americans are obease, thats not sick now is it?
Again, read my replys....No one said that there will not be problems in short term, but in the long term they would work, and no, the crime, yet again, would not rise because of all the stuff i said before...the drug crime is there because people steel to get drugs or drug deal gone wrong. Underground drug business imports and buys guns, and it also supports terrirism...<---these are facts, not my openion,.
Geez, read the thread!
No illegal drugs = no underground business = no gun crime = no dealers = no overcrowding of jails = safe drugs.
YOu cant protectin the society and world by shuting everyones eyes. The way to deal with drugs is to educate.
Do you know how many billions of tax payers money go inot the war on drugs? Some of the drugs like weed, had nothing to do with it being a drug for being illegal...yet, this ''war on drugs'' is going on over 100 years now, and there is still rising problem of drug users.
If drugs being illegal is so damn successfull and right, why is there still problem with drugs? Why 2 million children (in UK, its more in US, i have to check) still take ectasy every WEEK?
I do not see any people anywhere being protected in any way because drugs are illegal..all i see is death because of the immpurities in the drugs, death from AIDS because they share needles, death from getting shot at the dealings gone wrong.....
I do not see the scieties anywhere in the world being ''safe'' because drugs are illegal..if you do, then i pity you...
Your look out on this issue is so simple. YOu do not see beyond what you know, and leave no room for possibilities of something better...
Ok for one thing sometimes people cant help getting fat. Its a health problem. Same as people cant help wasting away into nothing ness if they are sick of something.. Uh and yes there are a lot of murders and things happening because of drugs. But what does that tell you? That the people doing these drugs are nuts. That's why its not safe to have them. You get stuck on them and you cant stop taking them. And you blow your brain and turn into a moron. Believe me I know about drugs. My brother and sister are both addicts. And I see what it does to them. And expecting things to be safe from drugs and drug addicts just because it is illegal, is like expecting the world to be safe from murderers. Speaking of which.. Saying that drugs should be legalized just so that people wont kill eachother over them and get sick. Is like saying that we shouldn't have any money.. Or wealth, because people are always killing eachother over things like that.. Oh and if you are going to legalize drugs then you might as well legalize murder, stealing, raping, and all the other thousands of illegal things. Laws are made to protect people. If everyone would just grown up and realize that drugs suck! Then we would have no problems.
Homer_Clone> Frankly, your use of intellect this far does not lead me to conclude, that because you are scared senseless of free thought, your mantras are true.
ZoofyTheJinx> Alcohol? That doesn't mess up your brain at all? Alcohol is legal...
What do you mean "people cant help getting fat"? If you reasoning is, that "some people" are just weak. and eat themselves into obesity or drug themselves to oblivion, tell me why you're not saying fat and sugar should be regulated.
So your siblings are addicts. Now, today - when drugs are illegal. What does THAT tell you? Maybe people take drugs regardless of wether or not they're legal? Maybe the war on drugs money should be spend HELPING these people, and conduct research into the circumstances that lead people into taking the drugs in the first place?
The actual taking of drugs is not dangerous or harmful to others. Stealing, murder and rape is. Laws are made to control society, what planet are you from??? llegal drugs have lead to crime-syndicates dealing in nothing BUT drugs, to drug-related crimes, filled with poison - and, as you say - addicts are addicts. You cannot stop an addict from taking his/her drug by making it illegal. You only make it dangerous to the addict and everyone else.
Lil bitchiness> I dunno, I think I've been repeating mysef for the last 10 pages. Maybe we should start a thread on "Why do some people think that everybody else is stupid, irresponsible, and gullible."???
Keep drugs Illegal, maybe not weed, yeah you can legalize that but hard drugs can lead to violence. Do you want addicts walking on the streets? They could be dangorous to some people, If they take drugs there mind gets messed up, and so does there judgement. They could rape, murder, or try to get other people hooked.
Originally posted by The Omega
Windancer> Could you please address the points I made in my previous post?
Originally posted by The Omega
I don’t want drugs legalised because I think they’re good for you (or anyone else for that matter). I simply think that people take them ANYWAYS, crime is committed to pay for expensive, illegal drugs, the same drugs are often spiced with dangerous “fillers”, it IS a market that is being exploited now – today. By legalising drugs this market could be regulated and would be subjected to the law.
That would be if the law didn't apply "Taxes" which means that Big business will have to be summited to a taxation for the new product in the market. Some how they will have to increase profit in order to cover up for the expenses. One way I can see them payin for the product it would be to make it more addictive. The more addictive the product is "the more customers they will have" So the way I see it is like this:
Product becomes so addictive that customers want more. By making it more addictive it asure that the business will not go bankrupt. To ensure that the product becomes a safe investment in the future, promoted to the younger generation. Advertisment, sale it at the local arcade or where places kids hang out (maybe internet cafes). I mean the tobacco industry is an example of all of this. Just because the Govermnents regulate them it doesn't mean they will stop targeting the youth. Same "could" happen to corporations that would obtain lincense to sell drugs. If drugs are legalize then who would stop the corporate business from doing it?
Originally posted by The Omega
ZoofyTheJinx> Alcohol? That doesn't mess up your brain at all? Alcohol is legal...
uh yeah it does (make note being drunk has alot to do with the brain and alcohol makes you drunk)
as el_barto noted when they made ALCOHOL legal less people used beer BUT there was a draw back this dawned the age of gangsters and orginized crime (Al Copone) so when they made it legal again MORE PEOPLE USED ALCOHAL. See the simalaritys (drugs create crime like alcohal does even when it is legal but it dosn't produce as much crime as much crime when it is ilegal. But since making alcohal ilegal made more crime I'm not sure if this comment will help. See now that alcohal is legal MORE PEOPLE USE ALCOHAL and then there are more car crashes,rapes, and crimes because people usauly do crimes when they are taking drugs or drinking alcohal) so what i am saying is that making drugs ilegal might have the same affect as making alcohal ilegal did. (my post may not be all that thought through but it proves my point)
BTW:the omega> dont quote me on this
Originally posted by WindDancer
That would be if the law didn't apply "Taxes" which means that Big business will have to be summited to a taxation for the new product in the market. Some how they will have to increase profit in order to cover up for the expenses. One way I can see them payin for the product it would be to make it more addictive. The more addictive the product is "the more customers they will have" So the way I see it is like this:Product becomes so addictive that customers want more. By making it more addictive it asure that the business will not go bankrupt. To ensure that the product becomes a safe investment in the future, promoted to the younger generation. Advertisment, sale it at the local arcade or where places kids hang out (maybe internet cafes). I mean the tobacco industry is an example of all of this. Just because the Govermnents regulate them it doesn't mean they will stop targeting the youth. Same "could" happen to corporations that would obtain lincense to sell drugs. If drugs are legalize then who would stop the corporate business from doing it?
Which product are we talking about here? Weed? Hmm...ok if they are, for the sake of the argument they are to make for some reasn weed more addictive, (even though such idea would cost more money it would be impossible to make a profit from it) people will do, what they do today when it comes to weed...GROW THEIR OWN! And one more let me say it again...weed being illegal has nothing to do with it being a drug.
Advertisment of tobacco is illegal in UK. Im persuming all other ones if made legal will also be illegal to advertise. Simple.
People are being exploited as it is by businesses, and this sint going to stop...
No one has yet answered me why, if drugs being illegal is the right way to be, why are there still people using drugs? Why is there a drug problem at all? If this system is the right way to go about drugs, then by deffinition it should have solved the problem...this system has been solwing the problem for the past 100 years and nothing changed...so why is that?
WindDancer> But it is possible to regulate dangerous substances today. You can’t exactly buy plutonium in your local supermarket, or morphine, which is used as a painkiller in hospitals. These two substances however, are regulated, and may only be purchased and used under special circumstances.
As stated in my previous post, I don’t want dangerous drugs to be another consumer good. But do you disagree with the fact, that people DO take illegal drugs, and that there is - now - today, a black marked for them, which is beyond regulation and government control?
Im_Fuzzy> Yes. When alcohol became illegal it gave organised crime a way of really gaining a foothold in the US. Tell me then, do you want alcohol to be illegal? Seeing as people under the influence of this legal substance are capable of committing crime.
Have you considered that these things are not as directly linked as you make them out to be? Maybe the same people who drink excessively are in socially stressful situations?
Don’t quote you on what? If you don’t mean what you type, don’t post it.
All> I’ll just repeat lil bitchiness’ question since no one answers it: If making drugs illegal is the way to go, why are there still addicts? Why is there still a black market and drug-related crime? All of you in favour of keeping these drugs illegal should have no problem answering such a simple question.
Originally posted by The Omega
WindDancer> But it is possible to regulate dangerous substances today. You can’t exactly buy plutonium in your local supermarket, or morphine, which is used as a painkiller in hospitals. These two substances however, are regulated, and may only be purchased and used under special circumstances.
As stated in my previous post, I don’t want dangerous drugs to be another consumer good. But do you disagree with the fact, that people DO take illegal drugs, and that there is - now - today, a black marked for them, which is beyond regulation and government control?
Correct! There is a black market today for illegal drugs. Once drugs are legalize who do you think will be the first to take over? The same individuals that kept that black market running will just move to wallstreet. Organize crime now in control of the world market. Does that sound like a good idea? It would much more catastrophic to allow these individuals to enter the market. That's one of the reasons why I wouldn't want drugs legalize (If I sound a bit generalize is because I keep thinkin that drugs might take the same road that tobacco did) I'm glad that we are in same page with "not allowing dangerous drugs to be another consumer good". Let me just say (which I didn't make clear in the begining) that those individuals that comsume drugs, weed, acid whatever, that I have no problem with them. Let them poison their organic system for all I care. What I care about is the "aftermath" of legalizing drugs, and the posibility of damaging the World market system. In other words who is going to flip the bill? Who is going to pay the taxation on these regulations? Us the comsumers! The ones that make the market progress will pay in the end. Don't you think it would cost more to legalize drugs than the anti-drugs campaigns?
Originally posted by The Omega
All> I’ll just repeat lil bitchiness’ question since no one answers it: If making drugs illegal is the way to go, why are there still addicts? Why is there still a black market and drug-related crime? All of you in favour of keeping these drugs illegal should have no problem answering such a simple question.
I haven't avoided the question, but I'll answer it to my best of knowledge. There are addicts for two reason.
1. the product (e.g. any drug) will continue to be produce as long as the desire to get high exist.
2.Legalization would decrease drug distribution crime because most of those activities would become lawful. But would legalization necessarily reduce other drug-related crime like robbery, rape, and assault? Presumably legalization would reduce the cost of drugs and thus addicts might commit fewer crimes to pay for their habits. But less expensive drugs might also feed their habit better, and more drugs means more side effects like paranoia, irritability and violence. Suggestions that crime can somehow be eliminated by redefining it are spurious. Free drugs or legalizing bad drugs would not make criminal addicts into "productive citizens".
Yes, the answer to LB's point is simple. Because it is nearly impossible to come between people and what they want.
That is no reason for not trying. When you look at the behaviour of human society, people also want extreme violence. We tackle that problem but find it very hard to do so- no reason to stop.