Should all drugs be legalized?!

Originally posted by The Omega
El_Barto> Show logical flaws in my reasning... IF you can.

Samhain> But you are ASSUMING more people will get hooked if drugs were legalised. That is merely an assumption.
What is, in your opinion, the solution to the drug-problem?

Yet, you still havent answered The Omega's question...If you go back and read her replys from the begining, you will see that The Omega's replys are one of the few which have reasoning.

So, I shall ask again, what is, in your opinion, the solution to the drug-problem?

The answer is... there is none, we will always have drug problems no matter what we do

I think that is very naive and simple of you to think. Ther eis a solution to everything.

Do you just accept povery? Because there is no way arround it? Do you just accept inequality because its there and no way arround it?

It amazes me that you cant see beyond anything thats right in front of you.

well, to me there is no solution, but Im not a genious am I? Do you think the solution to all of our problems is right in front of us? because that is extremely naive

Erm...please read your post and read my post!!

You are the one that cannot see beyond whats in front of you, thats my point. I can see beyond whats here, thats why i am all for legalization.

there is not a solution to everything, no matter what you do somebody will be upset, or disagree.The world is screwed up.

Homer_Clone> You're the one making a positive assertion: MORE people will take drugs if they are legalised. YOU must then be able to prove your point. When you have done that, you can ask me to prove mine. So - come on.

You think the entire world is screwed up? Very well. You think there is NO solution to the drug problem. Why are you so scared, that you won't even TRY another venue? What if it worked? You don't know if it will or not. Can the drug-situation be any worse than it is today? No? Well then, let's try something ELSE.
The same thing goes for poverty, starvation, unemployment. If there IS a problem, don't just give up and claim the entire world is screwed. Those in power may be in their head. They are the ones who refuse to try other venues to solve our problems. But as long as solutions are OFFERED to our problems, we should at least give them a chance. What do we have to loose?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
So, I shall ask again, what is, in your opinion, the solution to the drug-problem?

I'll answer to my best of knowledge, re-inforce the anti drug campaigns.That's one posible solution. If some of you say "it didn't work in the past and it isn't working now" Well, why not just keep trying? Is it going to get rid of drugs? No, but it doesn't hurt to educate ppl on the hazards of drugs

These are my final thoughts on this subject:

Legalization has no economic justification. Taxing illicit drugs would offset only a small fraction of the social costs. Banning illicit drugs is not like alcohol "Prohibition." Drug laws reduce abuse and the medical costs associated with abuse. Legalization would do the opposite. Illicit drugs offer no offsetting health benefits.

By itself, marijuana is a dangerous drug as well. A joint of marijuana is far more carcinogenic than a cigarette. THC (tetrahydrocannabinol -- the active ingredient in marijuana) suppresses some immune system responses and enhances others.

So, if there is away to get rid of the THC in marijuana then legalize it! If there isn't? Then keep illegal! If addicts really care for their healths they should cut down the joints they smoke. Like I said before if you smoke weed, thats fine by me. But do consider your health. Respect your body, foreign substances that can be hazardous to your system aren't worth the thrill of getting high. Live a healthy life, that's more important than legalizing drugs.

can we just leave it at this THERE IS NO SOLUTION no matter what we do there is gonna be a drug problem so why argue there is no point in this thread and it neads to die RIGHT NOW!

I dont think that ALL drugs should be legalized, bbut certainly cannabis should be. Either that, or tobacco and alcohol and caffine should be made illegal as well.

I think that cannabis is the only illegal one that they should make legal.

WindDancer> Ah, I see we agree on one point. Educate, educate, educate! You can’t make something illegal – only dangerous. Make abortions illegal and they take place in shady back-alleys, make drugs illegal, and you get crime, mobs and drive-by shootings.

But: how can you say taxing illegal drugs would only offset a small fraction of the social costs? When the drug-trade is among the four or five most profitable businesses in the world! Drug laws have NOT reduced abuse and the medical costs associated with abuse.

You say addicts should just “cut down”. You seem oblivious to the fact, that addicts are ADDICTS. They don’t think like that. They CRAVE their drugs, like you and I crave water and air.
By making illicit drugs legal we’d accomplish the following: Seriously infringe the black market for drugs. Make sure the addicts get cleaner (and less dangerous drugs). Reduce drug-related crime. And take away the “rebellion” youngsters make by taking the drugs, for no other reason than that they are illegal.
As I’ve said countless times: I want dangerous drugs handled as other dangerous drugs such as strong pain-killers like morphine and other opiates used in hospitals. What I do, is recognise there is a problem, and it needs to be solved. Of course we should educate people on the dangers. The idea is NOT (which should be obvious) to get more addicts. But to tackle the problem we already have.

El-Barto> I'm still waiting for you to show logic flaws in my posts.

Originally posted by WindDancer

By itself, marijuana is a dangerous drug as well. A joint of marijuana is far more carcinogenic than a cigarette. THC (tetrahydrocannabinol -- the active ingredient in marijuana) suppresses some immune system responses and enhances others.

So, if there is away to get rid of the THC in marijuana then legalize it!

Actually the THC's burn away when you are burning the weed to make a spliff. I am of course talking about solid marijuana.

Originally posted by The Omega

Samhain> But you are ASSUMING more people will get hooked if drugs were legalised. That is merely an assumption.
What is, in your opinion, the solution to the drug-problem?

I used to think that the solution was to have "Drug hotels", where people could come, have a fix, stay there till the drugs wear off and go home without anybody coming to harm. But I don't see it happening, I agree that there is a solution to be found, but it wont suit everybody, just like drugs' current status doesn't suit everybody. No matter what happens there will be somebody, somewhere who will suffer in one way or another. This thread alone proves that there are people who do not think drugs should be legalised.

Also Omega, you are ASSUMING that people WONT get hooked if drugs were legalised. That too is merely an assumption.

Samhain> The reason I can safely assume more people won’t get hooked if drugs were legalised, is that I’m yet to meet someone, who’d TAKE the stuff it was legal. No one in this thread wants to. I don’t.
My problem with keeping hard drugs illegal, is that most of the proponents for that, such as Homer_Clone and El_Barto do nothing but chant, and doesn’t give me ANYTHING to think about or reconsider my view. I think WindDancer offered the best argument – worrying about hard drugs becoming a marked commodity like French fries – which isn’t the idea.
You say you “used to think that the solution was to have “Drug hotels”. So what do you think now?
You say you agree there must be a solution. Do you have any ideas to offer?

omega> there are lots of people, who dont have computers and would trample people for drugs. you are making the negative assumption, saying drug addicts would stay the same or lower if we legalized drugs. the only answer we can come to is none so I propose we leave this thread to die.

And why should we leave it to die? Because you ran out of arguments? Because we have some sort of argument unlike yourself.

Like The omega said, you are making assumptions, show some evidence of what you are saying is true!
Some evidence, anything...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And why should we leave it to die? Because you ran out of arguments? Because we have some sort of argument unlike yourself.

Like The omega said, you are making assumptions, show some evidence of what you are saying is true!
Some evidence, anything...

we realy need to kill this thread its geting anoying

Im_Fuzzy> Why? Because you ran out of arguments?

Why is it, that those who keeps yelling drugs should remain illegal, are the ones who want this thread closed. Who says I'M done posting? Or do you want to shut me up? Do my arguments scare you?