U cant really compare spider-man or wolverine speed to the Bat....Bats is a peak human athlete, wolvie has enhanced human speed and reflexes...and his fighting skills are better...Batman is a bad ass fighter dont get me wrong...but wolverine has fighting instincts and 100 yrs experience...some of that time he was weapon-x...a machine that was trained to fight during every waking moment!
U cant really compare spider-man or wolverine speed to the Bat....Bats is a peak human athlete, wolvie has enhanced human speed and reflexes...
What???
Spiderman's spider sense coupled with superhuman reflexes (faster than a human's by a factor of FIFTEEN) means he is easily faster than both Wolverine AND Batman.
Wolverine has 100 years experience fighting and STILL got DESTROYED by Elektra.
What is the point in mentioning his experience fighting? That is really of little consequence when he encounters superior combatants, and there exists myriad.
Hm, I believe that experience can be a deciding factor when battling an adversary who is on the same level than you are. But it isn't that important though, since a lot depends on the popularity of the characters and (the mood of) the writer.
Batman has a fair chance to win a fight against Wolverine, but he would be forced to give everything he has! And he couldn't afford to make mistakes. Not a single one.
But I still believe that Batman can't truly hurt Wolverine, and certainly not without his famous prep-time. Prep-time which I consider as highly overrated, because it gives the false impression that every villain will be happy to wait a few weeks so that Batman can find all the weaknesses of his opponent and can create a perfectly working trap or weapon against him.
I know I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean... 😛
Originally posted by who?-kid
Hm, I believe that experience can be a deciding factor when battling an adversary who is on the same level than you are.
My response:
What is the point in mentioning his experience in fighting? That is really of little consequence when he encounters superior combatants, and there exists myriad.
Did not help him one bit against Elektra or Lady Deathstrike, for example.
Batman has a fair chance to win a fight against Wolverine, but he would be forced to give everything he has! And he couldn't afford to make mistakes. Not a single one.
"Fair chance?" And you ARE assuming that adamantium is ALSO the strongest known metal in the DC Universe? News for you - it does not EXIST in the DC Universe, one; two, why assume that Batman, with his nigh limitless resources, will not procure something that COUNTERS adamantium? Tsk tsk!
But I still believe that Batman can't truly hurt Wolverine, and certainly not without his famous prep-time.
Then you know LITTLE about either character. Elektra punctured BOTH of his lungs. You know, THROUGH his rib cage? Collapsed lungs = cannot breathe. Wolverine is susceptible to pressure point attacks. Wolverine BLEEDS. Ever considered what an anti-coagulant would do? Wolverine can be BLINDED. Wolverine can be POISOINED (Uncanny X-Men #173). Wolverine is susceptible to SONIC attacks (Incredible Hulk #341). Wolverine can be FLASH-BOMBED. Think, gentlemen.
Prep-time which I consider as highly overrated
Do you read JLA? This "prep time" resulted in dossiers listing, in detail, the weaknesses of each JLA member. Ra's Al Ghul appropriated said dossiers in the "Tower of Babel" story arc during Mark Waid's run on JLA. He was able to neutralize EACH JLA per Batman's dossiers. Read it.
This "prep time" more often than not results in Batman triumphing in any second encounter. See his 2nd battle with Prometheus and the mutant in Dark Knight Returns.
This "prep time" is what allowed him to neutralize Superman. Twice. Give Wolverine prep time against Superman. Dead Wolverine.
This "prep time" is legendary in the DC Universe. Other characters who are renowned for their "prep time?" Victor Von Doom. Thanos. Darkseid.
Batman is FAR smarter than Wolverine, and a FAR better strategist/tactician. He was trained by one whom is considered to be the BEST martial artist in the entire DC Universe (behind Karate Kid) - Lady Shiva.
Lady Shiva would make mincemeat out of Wolverine (like DEATHSTRIKE did).
Prep-time? Overrated? Hardly.
Yea ur right...i dont know why all these kids think wolverine is indestructable...he can be killed many many ways...Mystique slit his throat once and it put him out of comission for a minute....and his healing factor is not on the same level as the Hulk's...he does not heal instantaneously...He can burn, bleed, even starve to death...and when he is without food his healing factor doesnt work either, may i remind u...anyway, I wouldnt under-estimate him though...against Bats?...Bats is a bad ass...but he has lots of limitations, especially during the first encounter and before pre-time, i think wolvie would take him under those conditions...their both respectable guys so i dont think either would fight using their most lethal of weapons...I wouldnt call wolvie a slouch strategist or technician either...I think a much more interesting fight would be the Bat and the Black Panther...and i think the Panther would break him.
Another thing...Im not real familiar with the story, i read it once...i wasnt impressed, but Bats did get taken out by Bane...wolverine woulda taken Bane...simply would cut his arms off...no defense to the claws...anyway...If Bane took Bats how would Bats deal with someone like sabertooth or even Cyber?!?!?!Cyber would Kill Bats and Bane at the same time and think nothing of it...I also read how Batman, or maybe it was that replacement Batman, took out Bane...I wasnt impressed witht hat either...such a weak ass villain....is that all it takes to beat Bats?
Another thing...Im not real familiar with the story, i read it once...i wasnt impressed, but Bats did get taken out by Bane...
*sigh*
It is really not fair to make such a harsh assessment if you've only partial information, agreed?
Yes, Bane broke Batman's back. (Batman #497, "Knightfall" story arc)
Do recall that ALL of the inmates from Arkham Asylum were loosed upon Metropolis (by Bane) in this story arc. Batman tracked them ALL down, captured and returned them (if my memory serves me correctly). He THEN encountered Bane - tired, sore, weak. That is why Bane won.
The replacement whom you reference was Azrael. He defeated Bane in Batman #500.
I wouldnt call wolvie a slouch strategist or technician either...
If perfecting stratagems were one of his strengths, he would have led Uncanny, correct? Wolvie is no leader. Notice that Batman is THE key ingredient of the JLA - as their lead tactician/strategist. Read Morrison's run on JLA? Batman was responsible for solving the riddle ("Rock of Ages"😉, developing strategies ("Prometheus Unbound"😉, and detecting weaknesses (first three issues; forget name of story arc) the vast majority of the time.
When we are discussing tactics and strategies, Wolverine's name NEVER merits mention with Batman, Captain America, Iron Man, Dr. Doom, or Black Panther.
I also agree that Black Panther would take Batman.
I never will say Wolverine is a walk in the park...but people are SERIOUSLY underestimating Batman.
Yea you have real solid points Never...i hate to sound bias or anything...sorry for underestimating Bats...Wolvie has always been a favorite of mine...but i dont think he is the best fighter in the marvel universe by far....and im glad we agree about the Panther...cuz otherwise i would jus have to go off 🙂
"Fair chance? And you ARE assuming that adamantium is ALSO the strongest known metal in the DC Universe? News for you - it does not EXIST in the DC Universe, one; two, why assume that Batman, with his nigh limitless resources, will not procure something that COUNTERS adamantium? Tsk tsk!"
Euhm, did I say something special about adamantium or the resources of Batman? Didn't think so.
And now the prep-time discussion. Here is my humble opinion :
I noticed that Batman fans always use a lot of “ifs” when discussing a fight between Batman and any other guy. It comes down to something like this:
“If Batman knows his opponent, and if his opponent wouldn’t know a thing from Batman, and if Batman knows the weaknesses of his opponent, and if Batman knew his opponent was coming for him, and if Batman had a few weeks time to develop some kind of trap, and if the opponent would be dumb enough to walk into the trap, and if this trap worked correctly, well hey, what do you know, then Batman might be able to actually beat him.”
For some reason, I’m not THAT impressed. Too many ifs. It's the deus ex machina version from DC.
Oh, Wolverine has to fight Batman? No problem there for Batsie, I'm sure he will find something that counters adamantium. Something?? Like what, throw water at his adamantium skeleton and hope it will rust some day?
Originally posted by who?-kid
And now the prep-time discussion. Here is my humble opinion :I noticed that Batman fans always use a lot of “ifs” when discussing a fight between Batman and any other guy. It comes down to something like this:
“If Batman knows his opponent, and if his opponent wouldn’t know a thing from Batman, and if Batman knows the weaknesses of his opponent, and if Batman knew his opponent was coming for him, and if Batman had a few weeks time to develop some kind of trap, and if the opponent would be dumb enough to walk into the trap, and if this trap worked correctly, well hey, what do you know, then Batman might be able to actually beat him.”
For some reason, I’m not THAT impressed. Too many ifs. It's the deus ex machina version from DC.
Oh, Wolverine has to fight Batman? No problem there for Batsie, I'm sure he will find something that counters adamantium. Something?? Like what, throw water at his adamantium skeleton and hope it will rust some day?
My God! Somebody finally has the same thoughts as I do. Everytime theres a Batman versus whoever post, the old "prep time" comes into the equation. I'd like to see Batman thrown into a square metal room after he was done taking a dump and then have his opponent thrown into the same room. Batman would lose more than half of these discussions.
I realize this doesnt happen in the comics. Well, things like Spiderman being grabbed by Wolverine from the neck does and has happened in comics regardless of the writer. To discount this, we must discount things like Batmans precious "prep time"! Lets not take this fanatsy world so seriously.