Batman vs Wolverine

Wolverine fanboys are amusing, they make up outlandish claims and when called on it, they say that it was just hyperbole.

Then they immediately back-track and say that the real numbers were close anyway, as long as you ignore certain facts and accept other facts that they just made up.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
90% was hyperbole to emphasis my stance and illuminate the discrepancy between the two statistics. That said disregarding fodder, and counting energy wielders for their damage equivalency, it's not that far off.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine fanboys are amusing, they make up outlandish claims and when called on it, they say that it was just hyperbole.

Then they immediately back-track and say that the real numbers were close anyway, as long as you ignore certain facts and accept other facts that they just made up.

🙄

My stance was that the vast majority of Wolverine's fights are against class 100s, 90% was for exaggerated emphasis. Spoiler alert, the Tiger Blake wrote about... wasn't actually on fire. Read up on your literary terms: http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/lit_terms/. You aren't reading comics so you should have plenty of time.

Anyway, I already told you I was counting characters with energy projection on a damage output equivalency scale and ignoring canon fodder. I've started going through Uncanny and making a note of every time Wolverine encounters someone capable of class 100 damage. Assuming I don't get bored of the process I'll move onto the other X-Men titles, Avenger appearances, Wolverine's solo titles, and finally his guest appearances. I'm up to Uncanny 233 right now and so far... I'm right... by huge margins... like I usual am(shocker!). Its almost like reading Wolverine appearances gives a person better insight into the character than someone who doesn't, but chooses to expresses their opinion anyway. Strange how that works.

^ Not sure what point you're trying to make but just reading some uncanny xmen we can see he doesn't have a godlike hf damage soak. he seems quite 'normal'.

You only added energy projection after I called you out on your BS claim and even then, you failed to provide any proof that they were using cl 100 energy projection against him.

BTW, make sure you take note of all the times Wolverine fought people below class 100 as you're making your way through the comics...as you need both sets of numbers in order to prove your point.

Originally posted by Deadline
^ Not sure what point you're trying to make but just reading some uncanny xmen we can see he doesn't have a godlike hf damage soak. he seems quite 'normal'.

... Only if you are reading a section where his healing factor was concted out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You only added energy projection after I called you out on your BS claim and even then, you failed to provide any proof that they were using cl 100 energy projection against him.

BTW, make sure you take note of all the times Wolverine fought people below class 100 as you're making your way through the comics...as you need both sets of numbers in order to prove your point.

come on now son..

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... Only if you are reading a section where his healing factor was concted out.

Um no I remember one issue when he was having trouble with a fire based attack and got messed up by a pack of werewolves. Don't remember his HF being weakened at all.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Cykes blast bn stated to be akin to a nuclear bomb in power. that is easily 100 ton of force.

come on now son..

Scott has also used his blasts to play pool, he doesn't always fire them at full power.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Scott has also used his blasts to play pool, he doesn't always fire them at full power.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Cykes blast bn stated to be akin to a nuclear bomb in power. that is easily 100 ton of force.

come on now son..

I don't think he means literally. I don't think Cyke blasts are as powerful as Hercules fists for example.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You only added energy projection after I called you out on your BS claim and even then, you failed to provide any proof that they were using cl 100 energy projection against him.

BTW, make sure you take note of all the times Wolverine fought people below class 100 as you're making your way through the comics...as you need both sets of numbers in order to prove your point.

I didn't add energy projection after you did anything, what I had to do was specify energy projection... because you were stupid enough to include a guy who's energy blast punch through mountains as a sub cl 100 that supported your absurd stance.

How do you know Doomsday used class 100 punches on Superman? Because that's what it takes to hurt Superman. There isn't someone standing around with accelerometers and presser pads to measure the force of the attacks.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
energy blast punch through mountains as a sub cl 100 that supported your absurd stance.

Just what I was saying.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't think he means literally. I don't think Cyke blasts are as powerful as Hercules fists for example.

Hercules can lift hundreds of thousands of tons. The Cl 100 classifier means in excess of a 100 tons... thats a big window. 100 tons is nothing. It's two tanks. I'm not saying 90% of Wolverine's fights involve someone with Superman level strength who can rip the planet in half, just that the involve in excess of a 100 tons.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't think he means literally. I don't think Cyke blasts are as powerful as Hercules fists for example.

more specifically I say in the power he contains in general

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I didn't add energy projection after you did anything, what I had to do was specify energy projection... because you were stupid enough to include a guy who's energy blast punch through mountains as a sub cl 100 that supported your absurd stance.

How do you know Doomsday used class 100 punches on Superman? Because that's what it takes to hurt Superman. There isn't someone standing around with accelerometers and presser pads to measure the force of the attacks.

You didn't mention energy projection until after I pointed out that you were lying about the numbers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You didn't mention energy projection until after I pointed out that you were lying about the numbers.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Hercules can lift hundreds of thousands of tons. The Cl 100 classifier means in excess of a 100 tons... thats a big window. 100 tons is nothing. It's two tanks. I'm not saying 90% of Wolverine's fights involve someone with Superman level strength who can rip the planet in half, just that the involve in excess of a 100 tons.

CL 100 is guys like Thor, Hercules, Gladiator etc.

Thing for example has used 100 ton swords w/one hand and he's around cl 85-90. IIRC Simon while listed as a cl 95 in the handbooks supported a press that was set at 50,000 tons.

Originally posted by Silent Master
CL 100 is guys like Thor, Hercules, Gladiator etc.

Thing for example has used 100 ton swords w/one hand and he's around cl 85-90. IIRC Simon while listed as a cl 95 in the handbooks supported a press that was set at 50,000 tons.

I'm not going by dated hand book ratings that haven't been updated since the 70s. Handbooks are irrelevant here on KMC. If a character can lift in excess of a 100 tons, they are class 100. I can see why we haven't been agreeing now though.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You didn't mention energy projection until after I pointed out that you were lying about the numbers.

I didn't mention it because it seemed obvious. Why would someone who wields energy blasts that can deal cl 100 level damage be measured by their lifting capacity? How does that make sense...