Originally posted by Letters
How? Especially since Batman is faster
Except he's not.
Originally posted by Letters
, more skilled,
Debatable.
Originally posted by Letters
has a way better arsenal,
Bats can be disarmed. Same cannot be said about Wolverine.
Originally posted by Letters
Batman is way outclassed here.
Fixed.
Originally posted by Letters
How? Especially since Batman is faster
Nah.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Wolverine is faster
Also nah.
They're roughly in the same class, fighting and reaction speed wise. Better than anyone who's not Danny Rand or Taskmaster in double time, and probably on par with Cap (Even if Cap has better sprinting speeds, reaction and fighting speeds seem on par..)
Originally posted by Letters
At best she's dead even with Bullseye. Matt has defeated Bullseye literally a dozen times over. Bullseye and Elektra are a step below DD.And he has looked superior to her when they have fought. DD is more skilled bro.
What are you talking about? Bullseye beat Elektra once, decades ago, and it - obviously - it happened before her resurrection and skill amp. Elektra is above Bullseye and Daredevil. Even when she was half dead and powerless during Dark Reign, Bullseye couldn't beat her.
Originally posted by Letters
So he was losing while not trying to escape. Gotcha.And he was losing quite badley.
He wasn't trying to escape Elektra, he was trying to escape SHIELD... he just happened to be fighting Elektra when his escape was executed. It's not a very difficult distinction to make. Decide if you are going to be a serious poster, or if you are going to go back to being Wang.
She hit him once, and he was pulling the sais out of his neck when the water swept through the corridor.
Originally posted by Letters
Elektra sure affected him. DD's throatchop affected him as well.
Elektra affected a weakened Wolverine who's healing factor was barely functioning. Daredevil crushed Wolverine wind pipe (which isn't a pressure point FYI) in an irrelevant PIS example...
Originally posted by Letters
So Wolverines HF isn't as formidable as you say it is. If he needed life support and tranqs affected him then he doesn't heal from class 100 damage in miliseconds as you claim. In fact he should have been fresh after waking up with the added benefit of life support machines. So which is it?
It's called a plot device. Google it.
Originally posted by Letters
Batman carries tranqs as well. This is turning out to be a recipe for disaster for Wolverine.
Wolverine was on "enough tranqs to sedate the Hulk," and that wasn't enough to sedate him even with a severely weakened and impotent healing factor. Obviously the Hulk reference is hyperbole just meant to convey that it is a butt load of tranqs, but that is more than Batman has on him... and that wasn't enough to incapacitated a severely weakened Wolverine.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Ehm, no. Only if you think that you need Class 100 to hurt Wolverine, which is pure BS and contradicts his whole history.
You need class 100 to over load Wolverine's healing factor and ko him, not to hurt him. In no way is that "BS and contraction his whole history." Hulk has been knocked out by streets as many times as Wolverine has (and at least Wolverine got put through the X-Men gauntlet before Cap knocked him out), do you think Batman can knock out the Hulk? Because that is about as ridicules as saying Batman can put down Wolverine.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Except he's not.
Does Wolverine have faster than eyeblink reflexes?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Debatable.
Not debatable. How many times has Wolverine lost a fight due to being "mortally wounded" and "killed"? Batman beats the same skill level of guys but without being mortally wounded throughout the fight.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bats can be disarmed. Same cannot be said about Wolverine.
Most of the stuff will be used at long range where it can't be disarmed
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fixed.
Now you just have to prove it. lol
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What are you talking about? Bullseye beat Elektra once, decades ago, and it - obviously - it happened before her resurrection and skill amp. Elektra is above Bullseye and Daredevil. Even when she was half dead and powerless during Dark Reign, Bullseye couldn't beat her.
So they are even right? Now look at DD's record with Bullseye. See the difference?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He wasn't trying to escape Elektra, he was trying to escape SHIELD... he just happened to be fighting Elektra when his escape was executed.
So he was trying to fight her while not paying attention to the escape plan. And losing badly
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not a very difficult distinction to make. Decide if you are going to be a serious poster, or if you are going to go back to being Wang.
I am being serious. Elektra looked superior to Wolvie while he wasn't paying attention to the escape.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She hit him once, and he was pulling the sais out of his neck when the water swept through the corridor.
Right. He was losing the fight before it ended.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Elektra affected a weakened Wolverine who's healing factor was barely functioning.
Originally posted by srankmissingninBatman couldn't do the same iyo?
Daredevil crushed Wolverine wind pipe (which isn't a pressure point FYI) in an irrelevant PIS example...
Originally posted by srankmissingninOh. So its only a plot device if street levelers hurt Wolverine but not class 100's. Is that right?
It's called a plot device. Google it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine was on "enough tranqs to sedate the Hulk," and that wasn't enough to sedate him even with a severely weakened and impotent healing factor.
More proof his HF can be weakened.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Obviously the Hulk reference is hyperbole just meant to convey that it is a butt load of tranqs, but that is more than Batman has on him... and that wasn't enough to incapacitated a severely weakened Wolverine.
Batman def has enough tranqs to take out Wolvie. And bombs and gas grenades and security foam and sonic devices and flash bangs. Why would you think he wouldn't?
Originally posted by Letters
Batman is better than a couple Hydra goons. Just like DD is better than hand ninjas AND Wolverine combined.
The problem comes when you try to put Wolverine down. Spiderman hits so many times harder than Batman, and Wolverine can take much more than Spiderman can dish out, this in itself speaks volumes. If Wolverine existed in the real world, and Batman hit him, he would break his hand on impact.
Originally posted by Stoic
The problem comes when you try to put Wolverine down. Spiderman hits so many times harder than Batman, and Wolverine can take much more than Spiderman can dish out, this in itself speaks volumes. If Wolverine existed in the real world, and Batman hit him, he would break his hand on impact.
Except for when Spiderman HAS physically beaten Wolverine. As well as DD, Cap, Punisher, Elektra, Deadpool, X23, Shang Chi, Daken, Mr X, have a beaten him with physical force and\or weapons. And that's not counting the no namers that have brought him to the brink of death.
Batman chops thru bricks with his finger tips. He ain't hurting his hand against Wolverine bromie.
apparently Batman carries webbing fighting style superhuman stats and armory of weapons shown in the comic panels these guys have used or found when fighting Wolverine. *eyeroll*
why is this kid still here?
<--- comic vine is that way.
u know batman has bn beaten by two face, joker, bane, penguin, scarecrow etc etc.. what is to stop wolverine from steam rolling over him?
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Batman is far from the man u want him to be and try to make him out to be here in the forum.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
http://www.geekrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/comic_batman_beaten.jpg
http://www.bamkapow.com/ul/4468-deathstroke07page024.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/15511/716218-catman6_super.jpg
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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1047462-azrael__99_pg07_super.jpgBatman is far from the man u want him to be and try to make him out to be here in the forum.
and those pictures are supposed to prove what?
Wolverine is unique in the way he can be a challange for both, strong bricks and street level chars and sometimes the street level chars give him more trouble....
A street level can defeat Wolverine though never the Bricks Wolverine could fight and hold his own, like 'Thing for example.
Who is a greater challange for Logan, Captain America or The Thing, sure CA. So the ABC logic is the biggest flaw in the argumentation of his fans and that's why EVERY fight against an street level char he loses to is onsideren PIS or that it doesn't count blabla. Actually it's pretty funny^^. Wrong but funny.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
apparently Batman carries webbing fighting style
I don't think Batman carries "webbing fighting style" brah. 😉
Originally posted by Nietzschean
superhuman stats and armory of weapons shown in the comic panels these guys have used or found when fighting Wolverine. *eyeroll*
Batman has superhuman stats on par with DD and Cap.
What are you saying Batman doesn't have? Knives and explosives? And Batrope? Thats all these guys have used. (Batman has more advanced stuff with him too btw)
Originally posted by Nietzschean
why is this kid still here?
<--- comic vine is that way.
2nd grade is that way bro---->> Don't forget your lunch money.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
u know batman has bn beaten by two face, joker, bane, penguin, scarecrow etc etc.. what is to stop wolverine from steam rolling over him?
Uhhhm. None of those guys have never beaten Batman in straight up h2h. Ever.
The issue isn't "every fight Wolverine had with a street leveler is PIS". At best, there might be one, maybe two people who honestly think that.
The issue is that, given feats and histories as a whole - and not focusing on Wolverine's high end feats or trying to lowball him in favor of Batman - the fact of the matter is that Wolverine can simply take more punishment from Batman than vice versa. Wolverine's physically at least on Batman's level when it comes to speed and strength, without factoring in his healing factor and adamantium laced skeleton. Skill wise, Logan has displayed that he is exceptionally skilled, and even if he does fight like a brute with claws - because in order to be a skilled fighter in comics, apparently you need to do a bunch of flashy ninja-like moves...even though Captain America would disagree with you there - he's extremely effective.
Even if Batman gets the benefit of the doubt that he's more technically sound in the application of martial arts than Wolverine (extremely arguable given their histories), Wolverine is still as fast (and you could argue faster) than Batman, and can simply fight for longer periods than Batman can, to say nothing of the stark difference in how much damage they can take from one another.
It's really simple, painfully so, that in a straight up encounter, Batman is at a disadvantage to Wolverine. And that's without Logan Goggles being worn. I give Batman all the credit he's due, but even given his standard gear, he's hard pressed to take down Wolverine long enough to score a win. I hope someone with common sense can read this and accept it as pretty accurate, or at least not biased if they don't agree with it; I could give a shit between who wins between the two of them and their rabid fanbases, but Logan's edges are exceptionally difficult for Bruce to overcome.
