The Beatles

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm making assumptions based on evidence in this thread and the way she acts.

You are defending her because you know her. I never see you coming and defending anyone in similar positions. You're biased for your friend, why deny it?

I don't need to be her friend off KMC to make the claims I am.

You don't see a problem, good for you. Many of us, including mods, do. She bumped a thread needlessly as she often does, so I called her on it.

You are hardly ever in this forum, so you might know her, but her conduct here is obviously new to you. It's not new to me.

-AC

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
centauri, i've said it before and i am forced to repeat it again; you're delusional.😬 i can't see why people on this forum bother to entertain and feed your very limited, oft repeated view points on muzzik.

You see my points of view on music as limited because your knowledge extends into Coldplay, Maroon 5 and The Beatles. There's not much we can honestly discuss, although I enjoy The Beatles.

If I saw you in the System of a Down thread making active conversation I would talk to you by all means. It's nothing personal, I don't know what you are like off the forum, I just find your rather anglophilic and fangirl attitude to be irksome.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
also, your biggest problem is that you attempt to extract music away from the things that nurture and cultivate it. it is not something in of itself. "music" exists because the human condition does.it is created by and because of people culture society.

I do not attempt to extract it from anything necessary, but thank you for illustrating that you don't grasp my point, never did and never will.

Music is a part of culture, culture can be a part of music, but saying someone made great music because they sold a lot, made a video first or for ANY other reason than "I really think they made great songs.", is stupid. I find it troubling that grasping such an idea is beyond you, but apparantly it is.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
take that away, and you have just molecules of air beating in rhythms unacknowledged.😬

Thank you for proving you know zero about music.

Originally posted by Mr. Bacon
i am defending her because she is my friend, that doesnt mean im biased

That is precisely what it means.

It couldn't be any more in my favour right now.

-AC

way to edit my post so it looks like i contradicted myself 🙄
i usually dont bother to defend other people because i dont know them. but in this case i know youre wrong because i do know her, so i chose to because i know that youre wrong.

Originally posted by Mr. Bacon
way to edit my post so it looks like i contradicted myself 🙄
i usually dont bother to defend other people because i dont know them. but in this case i know youre wrong because i do know her, so i chose to because i know that youre wrong.

I didn't edit it, that was what you said. You are defending her, for one reason or another, because she is your friend. You said she's not doing it to be a gushy fangirl, and that may not be her intention, but that's how she is coming across to many of us.

You knowing her off KMC doesn't mean anything. I'm not discussing her real life persona, I'm discussing the way she conducts herself ON KMC, IN THIS FORUM. So I know, if anything, more than you, since I am in this section more frequently and have seen more of her attitude than you have.

If I were judging her real life personality, you'd have a point.

As it stands, I'm not wrong and you're being biased. Hence why you said you were "done" and remain here. You want to defend her so badly that you have got into an argument about nothing. You entered this thread and made one of your first ever KMC replies to me, in defense of her. Well done, I get it.

She's a big girl, she can defend herself can't she? Does she need you here?

-AC

no she doesnt, i chose to.

Why? Oh, biased.

Your whole basis is "You don't know her like I do.". Trophy is in the mail, I don't need to. I'm basing it on what she's given me on KMC, which is her responsibility.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
\I just find your rather anglophilic and fangirl attitude to be irksome.

Not really, as my issue is with her bumping threads.

Although I suppose that does stem from it.

-AC

So has the across the universe soundtrack already come out?

Originally posted by the welsh one
if the beatles could be around now do you think they would still be considered one of the greatest bands

Yes, if only for the fact that their music, while already done by hundreds of previous other bands before them, would be still be just that....$catchy$. People instead would say how much they sound like the Stones, Cheap Trick, Queen, etc, etc...blah, blah, blah. I suppose that's a distinguishing point-that they would sound like a LOT of (good/great) bands before them because of how innovative they were. Another point and sadly, a drawback--countless of covered good songs would never have been made. The affect is evident, but we wouldn't know it.

However, since that is not the case, it doesn't matter. It's like saying if Babe Ruth was around today, could he hit today's pitching? Moot point. 😬

Originally posted by bakerboy
Not, im one of those british tired of some american idiots who cant stand british for being better in everything , some of those that you didnt read so much about.

Woah, woah, woah-easy there, killer.

I acknowledge you make better beer, better music, and play soccer better, and possibly build better warships, but GB doesn't do everything better than the US. That's just absurd, BB. You know it too, silly.

😉

Originally posted by Mr. Bacon
I have just recently gotten into the Beatles after never having liked them in the past, in doing so i realize the simplicity of their music but the lyrics and music ocme together so well. The harmonics and backgrounds in all their songs are just amazing.

...is how another generation of fandom begins. 😬

The Beatles transcend time.

You actually believe that everyone ever would like The Beatles, though.

You were the one who raised the utterly insane argument, based on nothing but scenarios conjured up within your mind, that every kid ever would like The Beatles if you played it to them.

"He hears his dad playing it, then he likes it and asks what it is.", you assumed that for every child. It's utterly ridiculous. You made that up in your head and acted as if the scenario were true. My father and his father are/were fans of The Beatles, I think they're good, just good.

Unless it was someone else and I have the wrong person, which I doubt, but apologies if I do.

There's a difference between transcending time and continually being brought up and reminded of something.

The Beatles do not transcend time, people just cannot let go, there's a huge difference. People force themselves to keep The Beatles' name out there. People still feel like they have to name drop the band, like many others, to be fair.

Another myth is the idea that they were this all confirming band that everyone sucked off. My grandfather saw them live and still maintains the opinion that they were very good, but a lot of the hype came from everything BUT the music.

The thing I dislike most about die-hard fans of The Beatles is the fact that none of them seem to want to admit that they are even slightly overrated. It has never even occured that they possibly do not deserve the amount of praise they get, that not everyone likes them or would like them etc.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You were the one who raised the utterly insane argument, based on nothing but scenarios conjured up within your mind, that every kid ever would like The Beatles if you played it to them.

"He hears his dad playing it, then he likes it and asks what it is.", you assumed that for every child. It's utterly ridiculous. You made that up in your head and acted as if the scenario were true.

Yes, it was me. I was not arguing. ..was just stating an example of how one can become a fan of the Beatles.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

There's a difference between transcending time and continually being brought up and reminded of something.

Yes, there is a difference. ..just a difference of opinion, that's all. No wrong or right here.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

The Beatles do not transcend time, people just cannot let go, there's a huge difference. People force themselves to keep The Beatles' name out there. People still feel like they have to name drop the band, like many others, to be fair.

Right, wrong, or indifferent. The only thing I get is that I feel you wish YOUR favorite artists were or will be regarded the same. And perhaps, maybe they will in time.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Another myth is the idea that they were this all confirming band that everyone sucked off. My Grandfather saw them live and still maintains the opinion that they were very good, but a lot of the hype came from everything BUT the music.

His opinion..is entitled to it. And yes, I will agree that a lot of hype adds/ed to the Beatles iconic status. When it's all said and done, a lot of people enjoy their music. ..more so than any band in history. You cannot fight this.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

The thing I dislike most about die-hard fans of The Beatles is the fact that none of them seem to want to admit that they are even slightly overrated.

For their time? No. By today's standards? Yes, mostly in technicality of musicianship.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

It has never even occured that they possibly do not deserve the amount of praise they get....

Originally posted by BobbyD
Yes, it was me. I was not arguing. ..was just stating an example of how one can become a fan of the Beatles.

And suggested that it would happen to every child, unless you were just joking, which I hope.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Yes, there is a difference. ..just a difference of opinion, that's all. No wrong or right here.

Indeed, but the side of The Beatles has always been lacking in RELEVANT defense items.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Right, wrong, or indifferent. The only thing I get is that I feel you wish YOUR favorite artists were or will be regarded the same. And perhaps, maybe they will in time.

I actually don't, and in many cases I hope for the exact opposite. The last thing I want is people name dropping the bands I like rather than appreciating them.

I'm not suggesting everyone who names The Beatles doesn't appreciate them, but you cannot deny that they are a band people can name as an interest and automatically be accepted. It's just dumb.

Originally posted by BobbyD
His opinion..is entitled to it. And yes, I will agree that a lot of hype adds/ed to the Beatles iconic status. When it's all said and done, a lot of people enjoy their music. ..more so than any band in history. You cannot fight this.

I knew there'd be a dumb fan-out moment somewhere.

Give me proof that more people enjoy their music than any other band in the history of the world.

Factual proof. Not how many people BOUGHT the albums, how many people enjoy it.

Let's skip the needless banter; you can't, it was a stupid claim, just avoid doing it.

Originally posted by BobbyD
For their time? No. By today's standards? Yes, mostly in technicality of musicianship.

Were you there in their time? Yes or no. See if you can answer with one word, yes or no.

Originally posted by BobbyD
It has occurred to me. I judge athletes by similar standards. When it's all said and done.....see 3 previous replies.

Answer my questions.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Answer my questions.

-AC

Which ones specifically?

This: Were you there in their time? Yes or no. See if you can answer with one word, yes or no.

And I guess it was a request, not a question:

"Give me proof that more people enjoy their music than any other band in the history of the world.

Factual proof. Not how many people BOUGHT the albums, how many people enjoy it.".

But you can't do that, and we both know it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This: Were you there in their time? Yes or no. See if you can answer with one word, yes or no.

No I was not there. However-doesn't mean you refuted my argument. I never saw Pele play a minute in his life. He is still regarded as the greatest soccer player ever. Your point? 😕

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

"Give me proof that more people enjoy their music than any other band in the history of the world.

Factual proof. Not how many people BOUGHT the albums, how many people enjoy it.".

I can't (give factual proof). However again-doesn't mean you refuted my argument. In no other discussion of any other band (outside of perhaps the Stones) could you possibly ask this question, and would it be applicable. Give me proof that everyone enjoys Smashing Pumpkins. See what I mean? We know it doesn't measure.

You may not like it. I'm not saying it's fair. But, the Beatles hold the crown as the greatest band ever- deserved, not deserving, partially deserved-doesn't matter. They are regarded as such, and you need to accept it until society says otherwise. 😉

Originally posted by BobbyD
No I was not there. However-doesn't mean you refuted my argument. I never saw Pele play a minute in his life. He is still regarded as the greatest soccer player ever. Your point? 😕

You weren't there, so therefore I've refuted your point.

You never saw Pele play, but you can see videos of him playing and judge for yourself, formulate your opinion of his ability, the same can be said for The Beatles.

What you CANNOT do is judge if he was or was NOT overrated at the TIME, since at the time you were not there in the current climate. For all you know, we could be looking back at him fairly, whereas everyone back in the day may have overrated him to high hell, again, the same applies to The Beatles.

Originally posted by BobbyD
I can't (give factual proof).

Then don't say it, simple as. When you say what you just said, you speak for everyone, which we know you do not.

Originally posted by BobbyD
However again-doesn't mean you refuted my argument. In no other discussion of any other band (outside of perhaps the Stones) could you possibly ask this question, and would it be applicable. Give me proof that everyone enjoys Smashing Pumpkins. See what I mean? We know it doesn't measure.

It definitely does mean I have refuted your argument. You made the claim they are enjoyed MORE than any other band, correct? That is a factual claim, which has no factual proof, ergo...it's not factual, so you shouldn't claim it. Argument refuted.

WE know it doesn't measure? No, you apparantly do not, because you said it.

Typical of fans of The Beatles. Talk first, think second.

Originally posted by BobbyD
You may not like it. I'm not saying it's fair. But, the Beatles hold the crown as the greatest band ever

Proof? Or do you just have lots of agreeing opinions? Because lots of opinions disagree with you.

I say they are miles away from being the greatest band ever, and like it or loathe it, you cannot prove me wrong, just like I cannot prove your opinion wrong. "Greatest" is opinion.

They do not hold anything for "greatest" with any officiality or factuality, it is entirely opinion. You have no choice but to agree unless you can once again factually prove it, and you'd be the first.

Originally posted by BobbyD
They are regarded as such, and you need to accept it until society says otherwise. 😉

Regarded as such by many, so what? It's opinion.

You need to accept THAT or provide proof to the contrary.

-AC

The amount of opinions doesnt change the fact that they are just opinions.