Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Manda V2 - Should be at least S- IMO by virtue of its enormous size (making Bijuu look like insects) and having what looks to be like the greatest strength feat so far (helping to flip the Island Turtle and stopping its forward movement).Snake Tailed Chameleon- Would put this in at least A- rather than B+. It affords invisibility to the user, and the snake tail was capable of restraining KCM Naruto, albeit with Nagato tugging out his soul. Seems more impressive than the Drill-beak Bird summon.
B+ for the Doki I guess. Don't remember them being that impressive, even if they had a hax ability, and they were entirely dependent on Tayuya's flute.
What about Gedo Mazo? It oneshotted the forces of Hanzo and Danzo, and had some uber feats when Tobi summoned it at the beach.
Manda V2 - Should be at least S- IMO by virtue of its enormous size (making Bijuu look like insects) and having what looks to be like the greatest strength feat so far (helping to flip the Island Turtle and stopping its forward movement).
I am kinda hesitant to do so... while big and strong, it is purely physical after all. Anyone second DP's recommendation?
Snake Tailed Chameleon- Would put this in at least A- rather than B+. It affords invisibility to the user, and the snake tail was capable of restraining KCM Naruto, albeit with Nagato tugging out his soul. Seems more impressive than the Drill-beak Bird summon.
But it's also pretty small for a summon, doesn't have offensive ranged jutsu, and I'd blame Nagato more than the tail there.
The Drill Beak bird was fast and had bombs.
B+ for the Doki I guess. Don't remember them being that impressive, even if they had a hax ability, and they were entirely dependent on Tayuya's flute.
Is that for one or all three?
It seems a bit high to me, their attack isn't exactly a quick win.
Hm, for that matter, maybe Temari's Kamatari should be a bit lower too (right now it's at B+). It can cause major destruction, but it's small and un-tough.
What about Gedo Mazo? It oneshotted the forces of Hanzo and Danzo, and had some uber feats when Tobi summoned it at the beach.
Yea, it's a tricky one. S+ or SS-?
We don't know what's really needed to take it out, honestly.
Also, while it can hold biju... is there much sign that it's capabilities change when it happens?
Personally I'm leading S+. While it's fairly unstoppable on a battlefield (as befitting an S+) and soul sucking is nice, it's yet to do a truly huge offensive technique like the SS-s do. But I'm prepared to be outvoted if people disagree.
Originally posted by Q99
I am kinda hesitant to do so... while big and strong, it is purely physical after all. Anyone second DP's recommendation?
He does have Manda's abilities, i.e. burrowing and skin shedding, and it tracked the Island Turtle.
To be honest, while Gamabunta was worried about Shukaku's wind attacks, the gap wasn't that immense, not like the gap would be between an S-ranked ninja and an A-ranked one.
Originally posted by Q99
But it's also pretty small for a summon, doesn't have offensive ranged jutsu, and I'd blame Nagato more than the tail there.The Drill Beak bird was fast and had bombs.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by Q99
Is that for one or all three?It seems a bit high to me, their attack isn't exactly a quick win.
Hm, for that matter, maybe Temari's Kamatari should be a bit lower too (right now it's at B+). It can cause major destruction, but it's small and un-tough.
All three at the same time.
Yeah, I don't remember them being very impressive. What's Tayuya's rank again?
Apparently it's fast as well. At least according to the wiki.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, it's a tricky one. S+ or SS-?We don't know what's really needed to take it out, honestly.
Also, while it can hold biju... is there much sign that it's capabilities change when it happens?
Personally I'm leading S+. While it's fairly unstoppable on a battlefield (as befitting an S+) and soul sucking is nice, it's yet to do a truly huge offensive technique like the SS-s do. But I'm prepared to be outvoted if people disagree.
I was going for S+ at first, but I could see it in SS- as well.
Prolly just a massive increase in chakra capacity, but I don't think it would matter. The Gedo Mazo that attacked the Beach didn't have a lot of the Bijuus chakra seeing as Tobi had used some of it for the Zetsus, and for his Paths.
It does have huge chakra blasts that devastated the SA's force.
He does have Manda's abilities, i.e. burrowing and skin shedding, and it tracked the Island Turtle.To be honest, while Gamabunta was worried about Shukaku's wind attacks, the gap wasn't that immense, not like the gap would be between an S-ranked ninja and an A-ranked one.
Shukaku does have a lot beyond wind, and had Gaara as an 'I win; button.
Yeah, I don't remember them being very impressive. What's Tayuya's rank again?
B-
Apparently it's fast as well. At least according to the wiki.
Yea, but if you do hit it, it's durability can't be high.
It does have huge chakra blasts that devastated the SA's force.
Yea, but they didn't seem, like, biju-ball destructive.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Manda V2 is utterly enormous, to the extent that most ninjas have no method of actually hurting it.S-?
Bullshit.
I am seriously tempted to say it could solo every ninja in S-. 😐
I really only see the heaviest hitters like Onoki, Muu, Madara, Naruto, and Tobi so much as harming it.
Obviously, rasenshuriken could probably one hit kill it...mostly because the "blade" can expand to a significant size and cuts through just about anything.
Madara may be able to subdue it with massive amounts of mukotan.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, you see, this was kind of my perspective, as well.Obviously, rasenshuriken could probably one hit kill it...mostly because the "blade" can expand to a significant size and cuts through just about anything.
Madara may be able to subdue it with massive amounts of mukotan.
There is absolutely nothing to make me believe it could do any signifigant damage to Manda V2.
Its eyeball is bigger than what it has destroyed, and beyond that, considering Manda's demonstrated durability, powerscaling means V2 is much greater.
Originally posted by dadudemon
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Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He looks fed-up, not exhausted. It was a bunch of trees that were enough to cushion the fall of every single animal there, and it dwarfs the size of the largest animal present.
No, he’s exhausted and mad. We have a precedence that proves he is clearly exhausted. He is also mad at Naruto because Naruto is being a tard, as usual.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No, it's nowhere near the size of the one Madara threw at Naruto.
Yes, it is. It is about the same volume if maybe a tad less.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
and you'd either be trolling or a fool if you say it was the size of the one Madara used when he wanted to put the Kages to sleep.
Did I ever say that it was the same size as the one used against the Kage?
*reads post, again*
Nope.
So what is your point? 313
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The cuboid looks like it is roughly 25m in height and 15m in length. Assuming a it has the same width as the length, you'd have a cuboid of roughly 5625m^3.
And in some views, it looks 50 x 50 x 90 which is exactly 225,000 m^3. In other views it looks 15, x 25, x 30, which is exactly 11,250 m^3
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This forest is immensely greater than that. That small figure on top of the hill from where the Fire jutsu is being used is Susano'o, which based on this scan, has roughly the same height as that cuboid.
Did I ever say that it was the same size as the one used against the Kage?
*reads post, again*
Nope.
So what is your point? 313
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yamato making that forest to cushion their fall when the Turtle flipped over was probably faster than what Hashirama did. .
Nah, Hashirama’s was instant and Yamato’s grew…on panel.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Indeed, he was confined. That however does not mean he would be incapable of creating Wood outside the barrier, based on how his Mokuton can be created remotely. This means that the forest in the cuboid was the actual size of the forest he created.
A few things wrong with this:
1. That does not mean he would be capable of creating wood outside the barrier, as well. In fact, it would seem he couldn’t since he didn’t. In a versus matchup, you could not arbitrarily give him the ability to do that because he wasn’t seen doing it. So why would you baselessly assume he could?
2. Your conclusion is non sequitur to the evidence you supplied to justify it. Additionally, that last point you made is actually my point: he was confined and could not have created a larger forest. Let me make it more clear for you: he literally could not make it any bigger lest he crush or hurt Oro. So you saying that he forest looked about the size of the r. cuboid is no different than saying what I have already stated. Also, even if your evidence wasn’t baseless and contradicted by on panel evidence, you still did not disprove my point that Hashirama is limited on how large of a forest he could create.
3. Yamato already stated his Mukotan is crap compared to Hashirama’s. Therefore, anything Yamato does is automatically <<< anything Hashirama could potentially do. Additionally, Hashirama’s tech seems to be fully realized by Madara. So anything Madara does with it is roughly = to anything Hashirama could do with it. As fact, when the largest forest created with Mukotan was executed by Madara, no one said, “this shit is better than Hashirama’s”. Tsunade remarked that it was the same tech her grandfather used. Meow. Come at me. Hashirama is > or = Madara’s use of Mukotan. Hehehehehe 313
Originally posted by Zack Fair
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So the jutsu was just a Deus ex machina that will be triggered when all hope seems lost?
Also, what's with the backstory? Why not wait until the character is about to die, having his life flash by him as he's bleeding out? Why squeeze it into the battle?
Shouldn't the battle follow the basic drama structure? Set up, rising action, climax, and dénouement?