The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by socool8520
this is very true, however, Kurama would also not want Naruto to die. what easier way to kill naruto then to trap him in a genjutsu like tsukoyomi? Especially since there's not many people in the manga that can hang witn Naruto physicall at this point.

Well, Kurama will temporarily die with Naruto's death. But then Kurama will just spring back into existence for some reason. So, really, Kurama only has to fear two people because they can seal him up and control him.

Originally posted by socool8520
You may not have meant that a kage did it solely by himself. I was just arguing that hand seals are not necessarily the deal breaker for a hokage. You do have great seal users like Hiruzen, but you also have feared opponents like A and Gaara that don't really seem to rely on them.

It is definitely not a deal breaker for being a kage, for sure. Additionally, they may (probably) learn the hand seals that are needed to be Kages.

Originally posted by socool8520
I appreciate the lack of getting ridiculed for making the obvious mistake.

No problem. But if you say Minato is weak, I will ridicule you. uhuh

Originally posted by socool8520
When I said I didn't really buy into the handbooks, i didn't mean Hiruzen. i fully agree that he should be maxed out in the Ninjutsu/hand seal department. he is the father of ninjutsu after all. I think Orochimaru and kakashi should be right up there as well.

They are (Kakashi and Oro). Oro was impressed with Kakashi's progress in hand seals when he was fixing Sasuke's cursed seal.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, Kurama will temporarily die with Naruto's death. But then Kurama will just spring back into existence for some reason. So, really, Kurama only has to fear two people because they can seal him up and control him.

It is definitely not a deal breaker for being a kage, for sure. Additionally, they may (probably) learn the hand seals that are needed to be Kages.

No problem. But if you say Minato is weak, I will ridicule you. uhuh

Then why save Naruto when Haku was going to kill him? He must not want him to die for some reason. He has even boasted about how naruto would have dided several times if not for him.

I agree with this. I do think it would be good to know sealing jutsu, which, to some degree, Naruto does.

i would never say Minato is weak. He's one of my favorite characters. In fact, I honestly think he is the strongest ninja right now besides maybe naruto at this point. We always hear about how strong Madara and Hashirama are but we are just now seeing how powerful Madara is and it doesn't appear to be anything Minato, or even Hurizen could have handled. Just think what the war would have been like if those two were ressurected. lol

Originally posted by socool8520
Then why save Naruto when Haku was going to kill him? He must not want him to die for some reason. He has even boasted about how naruto would have dided several times if not for him.

He didn't save Naruto. Naruto's rage drew forth the chakra.

Originally posted by socool8520
I would never say Minato is weak. He's one of my favorite characters. In fact, I honestly think he is the strongest ninja right now besides maybe naruto at this point. We always hear about how strong Madara and Hashirama are but we are just now seeing how powerful Madara is and it doesn't appear to be anything Minato, or even Hurizen could have handled. Just think what the war would have been like if those two were ressurected. lol

See...this is what I've been saying. The current resurrected Madara versus Minato would result in a quick victory for Minato, in my opinion. There wouldn't be any of these games Madara is playing and Madara would be quickly sealed (with one of the many hand sealing techniques that Minato knows).

Originally posted by dadudemon
He didn't save Naruto. Naruto's rage drew forth the chakra.

See...this is what I've been saying. The current resurrected Madara versus Minato would result in a quick victory for Minato, in my opinion. There wouldn't be any of these games Madara is playing and Madara would be quickly sealed (with one of the many hand sealing techniques that Minato knows).

From what I remember, Kurama was freaking out and bailed Naruto out. But, I could be wrong

The only problem Minato has to deal with is susan'o.

I wonder if Minato could tag a seal on Madara while he had susan'o on?

I personally doubt it.

Originally posted by socool8520
I wonder if Minato could tag a seal on Madara while he had susan'o on?

Based on a feat from his fight with Madara, Minato could do one better: he could seal Madara's ability to use Susano'o because Minato seems to be able to seal specific abilities.

He sealed Tobi's ability to exercise a Sharingan specific ability: controlling the Kyubi with the Sharingan. I do not see why, if he was so easily able to do that, he could seal the ability to use Susano'o. Granted, the hole in my theory is that seal would be placed on Susano'o instead of on Madara's person...which may make it to where the seal does not work.

YouTube video

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c503/5.html

He broke the link between the two.

Hm, is that really the same as shutting down the ability? I.e. if they weren't separated by distance couldn't Tobi just re-sharingan him?

Originally posted by Q99
He broke the link between the two.

He did so by sealing off Tobi's ability to use the Kurama controlling features of the Sharingan.

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, is that really the same as shutting down the ability? I.e. if they weren't separated by distance couldn't Tobi just re-sharingan him?

The words in the manga make it seem as though Tobi will never again be able to use the "Kyubi".

"Now the Kyubi will no longer be yours to control!"

Sounds fairly definitive but there is room for argument that it was permanent if you consider Itachi's words that every jutsu has a weakness. So there is probably a way to break Minato's seal if you're knowledgeable enough...which Tobi may just be (but he had to ask Kabuto about how things work...and seems to be a 4 to 4.5 in intelligence rather than a 5 like Kakashi, Minato, and/or Kabuto). IMO, a 4 is probably about as intelligent as you and I are (I think we're pretty smart 🙂 ). So a 4.5 is hardly dumb...it's just not super genius level like Minato and Kakashi.

The words in the manga make it seem as though Tobi will never again be able to use the "Kyubi".

"Now the Kyubi will no longer be yours to control!"

But establishing the contract wasn't a quick thing to begin with, he had that big ritual-seal with Kushina. It allowed him to summon Kyuubi, and he was able to keep control even out of contact and at a distance.

"Now the Kyubi will no longer be yours to control!" can apply to short term / the assumption that Tobi won't have the *chance* to regain it as well. With Tobi beaten right there by Minato, the Kyuubi would end up either dead or re-sealed and therefore safe from control for a period of at least years.

I'd like to note that I would clearly be no less than a 9,001 in terms of intelligence.

Originally posted by Q99
But establishing the contract wasn't a quick thing to begin with, he had that big ritual-seal with Kushina. It allowed him to summon Kyuubi, and he was able to keep control even out of contact and at a distance.

Seems as though he could do so all along because, remember, Madara tried to take control of the Kyubi even though no eye contact was not possible. Same thing happened with Kushina: the Kyubi had no direct eye contact with Tobi but he still used his sharingan on it to take control.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c501/8.html

Originally posted by Q99
"Now the Kyubi will no longer be yours to control!" can apply to short term / the assumption that Tobi won't have the *chance* to regain it as well. With Tobi beaten right there by Minato, the Kyuubi would end up either dead or re-sealed and therefore safe from control for a period of at least years.

"No longer" directly means permanent. It means that Tobi cannot control the kyubi, anymore. That's permanent. Minato sealed his Sharingan's ability to control the Kyubi. Unless there's a conter-seal to undo Minato's seal, Tobi is screwed. However, there are other ways to control the Kyubi other than with the Sharingan: with the Rinnegan and a chakra rod.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'd like to note that I would clearly be no less than a 9,001 in terms of intelligence.

That's impossible. That's over...

Oh, right.

Who gives a **** what Minato said?

He's a dumbass.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Who gives a **** what Minato said?

He's a dumbass.

I thought he was a genius that only occurred once in a generation? uhuh

Moar like a DUMBASS who only occurred once in a generation. 131

"No longer" directly means permanent. It means that Tobi cannot control the kyubi, anymore.

Consider this phrase:
"The specific control was broken, it no longer works. A new control can be applied via the same method."

Originally posted by Q99
Consider this phrase:
"The specific control was broken, it no longer works. A new control can be applied via the same method."

I considered it and recognized that what you are saying is a completely different meaning than what Minato presented.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Moar like a [b]DUMBASS who only occurred once in a generation. 131 [/B]

Your post applies to #2, here:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-tips-drinking-responsibly-while-at-work_p2/

Trolololololo deez nuts nigga.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Based on a feat from his fight with Madara, Minato could do one better: he could seal Madara's ability to use Susano'o because Minato seems to be able to seal specific abilities.

He sealed Tobi's ability to exercise a Sharingan specific ability: controlling the Kyubi with the Sharingan. I do not see why, if he was so easily able to do that, he could seal the ability to use Susano'o. Granted, the hole in my theory is that seal would be placed on Susano'o instead of on Madara's person...which may make it to where the seal does not work.

YouTube video

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c503/5.html

this makes sense. However, even if the tag is placed on susan'o at least he could make that disappear, even, if only temporarily. it only takes an instant for minato to stab Madara in the face with a kunai or rasengan his guts out. Then he just seals him. He is capable of creating seals in the air as well isn't he or was that just the anime when he teleported the tailed beast ball from kurama. He could wait for a long range attack from madara and teleport it back at him at high velocity. He has way to many ways of getting around susan'o for this to be too challenging for him.