The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You are not the only party involved young lad. Trust me, DP and I don't have to have a reason to spam this thread with all our shenanigans. A debate has the weakness of having a purpose and sooner or later, the purpose will run thin and the debate will stop. Our spamming is merely meant to load down the thread and stress the purpose faster.

I am older than you are. Also, you seem to think Q99 and I argue about the same thing and then stop. We don't. We argue about everything. 🙂

Just because you can continue to spam does not mean Q99 and I will not come up with another reason to argue.

MWHAHAHA

Originally posted by dadudemon
I am older than you are. Also, you seem to think Q99 and I argue about the same thing and then stop. We don't. We argue about everything. 🙂

Just because you can continue to spam does not mean Q99 and I will not come up with another reason to argue.

MWHAHAHA

I'll worry about that when the time comes. It's all about victory today son.

dadudemon

But why would a seal on the outside of Susano'o do anything?

Because seals can work directly on chakra-based ninjtsus.

Why would a seal on the outside of Susano'o not do anything?

Oh! I see what you're saying now.

But what Minato did involved putting the actual seal-writing on the target, and he needed to touch Tobi to do so.

His seal functions different than the jutsu of Preta path, which creates a surrounding effect around the user.

So Minato's seal needs to get on the person from what we've seen, not just what jutsu they're using.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I am older than you are. Also, you seem to think Q99 and I argue about the same thing and then stop. We don't. We argue about everything. 🙂

Just because you can continue to spam does not mean Q99 and I will not come up with another reason to argue.

This is, unfortunately, true.

Though I'm finding I'm dropping out of the arguments with fewer repetitions now, since (1) I do have more fun when we aren't in said arguments, and (2) most of the time past the initial run-through it's stuff that's already been said anyway. So I'll get my side out, then might as well just let it rest there, no need to spend a lot of time past that point.

Originally posted by Q99
But what Minato did involved putting the actual seal-writing on the target, and he needed to touch Tobi to do so.

I agree that that is what Minato did to Tobi's ability.

But Minato also showed us the ability to seal chakra. He can seal ninjutsus and chakra.

Originally posted by Q99
His seal functions different than the jutsu of Preta path, which creates a surrounding effect around the user.

Oh, I was going to argue with this...but I see what you mean. I just figured that Minato just had to touch susano'o and he could seal that ninjutsu. Again, I do not want incorrectly lead on that I think this is fact: my speculation is just that: speculation. It is almost baseless because I assume that since Minato can seal sharingan specific ninjutsu and he can seal chakra...he can seal a sharingan specific ninjutsu chakra construct.

Originally posted by Q99
So Minato's seal needs to get on the person from what we've seen, not just what jutsu they're using.

I agree, but only partially. Chakra sealing seems to not be specific to a person. I would say that Minato could seal the chakra construct but then have to seal the ability to use it by directly touching Madara. Meaning, he wouldn't be able to just seal susano'o from a single touch: it would just seal the chakra construct. Madara could make another one with more chakra.

Originally posted by Q99
This is, unfortunately, true.

Though I'm finding I'm dropping out of the arguments with fewer repetitions now, since (1) I do have more fun when we aren't in said arguments, and (2) most of the time past the initial run-through it's stuff that's already been said anyway. So I'll get my side out, then might as well just let it rest there, no need to spend a lot of time past that point.

We hardly brought up new points, I agree.

However, I do want your opinion/take on my idea concerning whether or not A was Raikage when we saw the flashback. I will concede that we cannot know with Minato...but the evidence points towards A already being Raikage especially the part where B sits back and doesn't move during the confrontation (they clashed in their land, not Konoha).

ALSO....

I begged for help with the Claymore thread. HELP MEH! please?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I'll worry about that when the time comes. It's all about victory today son.

You called me son, again. lol

I bet you that I could have my way with you and you wouldn't be able to stop me.

For me, that's the better victory. 🙂

You guys are gay.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree that that is what Minato did to Tobi's ability.

But Minato also showed us the ability to seal chakra. He can seal ninjutsus and chakra.

Oh, I was going to argue with this...but I see what you mean. I just figured that Minato just had to touch susano'o and he could seal that ninjutsu. Again, I do not want incorrectly lead on that I think this is fact: my speculation is just that: speculation. It is almost baseless because I assume that since Minato can seal sharingan specific ninjutsu and he can seal chakra...he can seal a sharingan specific ninjutsu chakra construct.

Hm, I could see him, potentially, making a big complex seal that would deactivate it, but I do not think it'd be doable with the kind of seals he can just slap on someone to teleport or even what he used to break contact with Kurama.

However, I do want your opinion/take on my idea concerning whether or not A was Raikage when we saw the flashback. I will concede that we cannot know with Minato...but the evidence points towards A already being Raikage especially the part where B sits back and doesn't move during the confrontation (they clashed in their land, not Konoha).

Well, when Minato and him were talking, he said "We'll put the titles of Kage on the line" or some such. Or in short, the

Also, A looks a bit younger to me there than when we saw him reacting to his father's death. Not much, but hair style and outfit.

One big thing is he still wears a standard headband. As Kage, he doesn't wear a headband (and very few Kage do).

I mean, it's not a totally concrete thing, but I believe it to be a bit before either became Kage. When they're both known to be heirs, though.

ALSO....

I begged for help with the Claymore thread. HELP MEH! please?

Oh yea, the Claymore thread, haven't checked that one out in a bit.

Sure!

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You care enough to read this shit?

If I cared about everything I read then I wouldn't have got my literary degree.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You guys are gay.

Not true. I am gay, however, for hairy fatasses with a sizable amount of muscle underneath the blubber. Gets my jollies every time. pained

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, I could see him, potentially, making a big complex seal that would deactivate it, but I do not think it'd be doable with the kind of seals he can just slap on someone to teleport or even what he used to break contact with Kurama.

This is a topic that we will never know the outcome, of. So much so that I do not know if a Minato vs. Madara (meatbag form, but with hashirama abilities) is actually a legit matchup.

Originally posted by Q99
Well, when Minato and him were talking, he said "We'll put the titles of Kage on the line" or some such. Or in short, the

Also, A looks a bit younger to me there than when we saw him reacting to his father's death. Not much, but hair style and outfit.

One big thing is he still wears a standard headband. As Kage, he doesn't wear a headband (and very few Kage do).

I mean, it's not a totally concrete thing, but I believe it to be a bit before either became Kage. When they're both known to be heirs, though.

That was part of my problem. It would appear that the Raikage wear their forehead protectors.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v57/c542/9.html

So I was using that as a backup to conclude that A was the Raikage when he and Minato clashed.

You mentioned something about an age comparison:

Look at his age bottom right hand panel:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v57/c542/13.html

That looks similar enough to the other one when A became Raikage.

Another thing, Minato is quite strong:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v57/c542/15.html

He did not use a rasengan and still, the force of his slash causes a crater to form. Not nearly as big as the one against Tobi, but still...fairly impressive if you consider it was a slash with a bladed weapon rather than a punch. I am going to conclude that Minato has a strength level of 5. At weakest, a 4.5. He's not a high 5 like Raikage or Tsunade, imo. But he's still among the strongest.

Lastly, I find Mr. Nara's face on the bottom right hand side to be hilarious:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v58/c544/14.html

Not sure why I missed that humorous gem in the past. 😆

About the other argument: the Cloud Ninja is looking right at B and he seems freaked out even though he should be able to clearly see a sword pointed at Minato's gut. For me, that tells me that B did not have out his sword, yet.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v57/c543/2.html

It is only a few moments later that B, in my humblest of opinions, quickly busted out his sword before Minato had time to react. Notice that Minato glances down...I think it was then that B pulled out the sword.

That was part of my problem. It would appear that the Raikage wear their forehead protectors.

3rd does, but I don't think A does in any of the times he's confirmed to be Kage.

This is one where I think we aren't necessarily going to get a solid answer. I think he's not, but we also don't have a way to confirm, and no-one's statement is 100% one way or the other.

About the other argument: the Cloud Ninja is looking right at B and he seems freaked out even though he should be able to clearly see a sword pointed at Minato's gut. For me, that tells me that B did not have out his sword, yet.

I think he's freaked out Minato is *there!*

Minato wasn't there a moment ago. That can startle some people.

It is only a few moments later that B, in my humblest of opinions, quickly busted out his sword before Minato had time to react. Notice that Minato glances down...I think it was then that B pulled out the sword.

I'm pretty sure pulling it and pointing it at the gut would've required too much arm movement- he'd have to pull the sword *all* the way out of the sheath, then moved it all the way back to Minato's gut. I can't see Minato not reacting to that.

I think Minato's just looking down because it's a, 'yea, there's a sword pointed at me,' situation.

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As for Minato's strength, I put him at 4/4.5. That's pretty good ground damage for a non-chakra attack.

Originally posted by Q99
3rd does, but I don't think A does in any of the times he's confirmed to be Kage.

This is one where I think we aren't necessarily going to get a solid answer. I think he's not, but we also don't have a way to confirm, and no-one's statement is 100% one way or the other.

Agreed...it's just that...it seems there is no way to decide if Minato meant that they were already Kage and would meet as Kage to finally settle the war...or if Minato meant that they would both become their respective villages' kage and then meet under that premise.

Originally posted by Q99
I think he's freaked out Minato is *there!*

Minato wasn't there a moment ago. That can startle some people.

He continues to freak out, though. Look at the bottom of the page:he is still freaked out and looks in the general direction of where B's hand would be: behind B's back. Be was supposedly reaching behind his back at that time so his hand should be right in that Fodder's line of sight. Why didn he still freak out? I think it is due to B not having pulled out the sword quite yet.

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Originally posted by Q99
'm pretty sure pulling it and pointing it at the gut would've required too much arm movement- he'd have to pull the sword *all* the way out of the sheath, then moved it all the way back to Minato's gut. I can't see Minato not reacting to that.

I think Minato's just looking down because it's a, 'yea, there's a sword pointed at me,' situation.

I don't think so. B is really fast. He's among the fastest characters in Naruto, right now. Sure, Minato has fast reaction time but it looked like B had reached for his sword by the time Minato came back. His hand was behind his back when Minato first appeared behind B, right? So that, to me, tells me that B was confident that he could unsheath and stab quickly enough to get a double kill. Minato seemed to believe the same thing. Consider that B was able to extend his octopus arm, all the way from his position, uber quickly: Minato was still mid-swing with his kunai. I think B more than had enough speed to follow through with the sword stab before Minato teleported away.

Originally posted by Q99
As for Minato's strength, I put him at 4/4.5. That's pretty good ground damage for a non-chakra attack.

I think this is as close to an agreement we will get on this. At least your range overlaps with mine, now. lol

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yeah no.

Tenzin only wishes he was that skilled. 313

You are not the only party involved young lad. Trust me, DP and I don't have to have a reason to spam this thread with all our shenanigans. A debate has the weakness of having a purpose and sooner or later, the purpose will run thin and the debate will stop. Our spamming is merely meant to load down the thread and stress the purpose faster.

He is more skilled than Aang. Who do you think taught Korra how to fly like that? 131

Meh, this argument will end some time. At worst, when the new chapter comes out. At best, when I say Minato's over-rated. vin

I don't think so. B is really fast. He's among the fastest characters in Naruto, right now.

He's really fast, sure, but in simple arm/hand speed? There's plenty in the same range.

It's not like he had chakra shroud on.

Sure, Minato has fast reaction time but it looked like B had reached for his sword by the time Minato came back.

If he drew the sword from the sheath, it'd have to start back, then go forward several feet, then back again. All before Minato stabs, moves, or teleports. That's two wide movements before Minato can do one smaller one. Seems off to me. That's not equal speed, that's actively faster.

If he simply had the sword in his hand already, then it was in a potential stab position almost immediately when he put his arm behind him, and he just adjusted it a bit in the next page.

Originally posted by Q99
He's really fast, sure, but in simple arm/hand speed? There's plenty in the same range.

It's not like he had chakra shroud on.

B don't need not stankin' chakra shroud to be fast AND strong. uhuh

Originally posted by Q99
If he drew the sword from the sheath, it'd have to start back, then go forward several feet, then back again. All before Minato stabs, moves, or teleports. That's two wide movements before Minato can do one smaller one. Seems off to me. That's not equal speed, that's actively faster.

If he simply had the sword in his hand already, then it was in a potential stab position almost immediately when he put his arm behind him, and he just adjusted it a bit in the next page.

Not several feet. The blade is rather short. Samurai, in the real world, practiced unsheathing and cutting in small fractions of a second. I think a superhuman character, like B, can do just fine, as well. Even against Minato.

Holy shit...you're making me argue that B is fast enough to get the drop on Minato at point blank range.

I only think there are only very few people that can move quickly enough to do what B did to Minato...the list is...

B, A, and KCM Naruto. POOOOSSBILY Guy. That's how short the list is, though.

It's still two movements to Minato's one. All he has to do is drop the blade.

Also:

source

Someone's OC, but rather cool.

Originally posted by Q99
It's still two movements to Minato's one. All he has to do is drop the blade.

No, it's just one movement. Remember, Minato was using B as a "hostage" to make them cease and desist their aggression. He did not plan on killing B unless they were more aggressive. Once B took out his blade, it became a 1 movement for each of them. Minato notices B take out his blade at some point and that ruined Minato's hostage situation. So Minato had to give it up. If Minato was a cold-calculating ninja, like Danzo, he would not have hesitated and B would be dead.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

He is more skilled than Aang. Who do you think taught Korra how to fly like that? 131

Meh, this argument will end some time. At worst, when the new chapter comes out. At best, when I say Minato's over-rated. vin

Wouldn't matter if you said it. How can someone who was thought to be unsurpassable by A be over rated? Not too mention he spanked Tobi.

Originally posted by socool8520
Wouldn't matter if you said it. How can someone who was thought to be unsurpassable by A be over rated? Not too mention he spanked Tobi.

Because A is completely infallible, and will not be proven wrong by Naruto.

Current Tobi would spank Minato.

That said, I was being douchey when I said he's over-rated.

Originally posted by Q99
It's still two movements to Minato's one. All he has to do is drop the blade.

Also:

source

Someone's OC, but rather cool.

Looks pretty nice.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Because A is completely infallible, and will not be proven wrong by Naruto.

Correct because Naruto just gained that power and had no show-cased it, yet making A correct up until that point.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Current Tobi would spank Minato.

Current Tobi would lose even harder against a Minato that had the same knowledge as B and Naruto.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That said, I was being douchey when I said he's over-rated.

Peace be upon you.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Correct because Naruto just gained that power and had no show-cased it, yet making A correct up until that point.

Nope.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Current Tobi would lose even harder against a Minato that had the same knowledge as B and Naruto.

Nope.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why is Tobi's head in the corner?