Originally posted by NemeBro
It's kind of sad seeing Orochimaru go from main antagonist to, as of current chapters, Kabuto's penis.
So..Kabuto's penis is a white blob w/worm things around it?
I am genuinely impressed by Kabuto as of late, mainly because he sliced Itachi in half, though I'm not forgetting the Edo Tensei fails when I rank the dude.
Orochimaru had more impact on the Narutoverse by far but it'd be interesting to see Kabuto let loose on the world for a year.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So Q99, how do you think we should rank young Kabuto? He certainly had some talent and a couple showings.
Definitely at least in the Cs. He's already capable of using the scalpel-palm as a weapon very well and is pretty quick, as well as a skilled healer.
Similarly, where do we put his mother?
Jirobo's chakra absorption is far more limited than Nagato's. It requires someone being trapped in that earth dome.
Having the sound four's techniques are nice, but they were special-jonin level. Kimimaro's is better, but his moves are at S- level.
Granted, all of these together is still a lot and I don't want to downplay how awesome what he has is. He's an impressive S+.
Nagato I'd still put over Kabuto in a direct fight. His offensive jutsu are a lot bigger, his chakra absorption better and can be kept always on, he's got lasers and missiles, soul-ripping.... as we found out recently he also has those chakra chains that Tobi and Kushina use too.
Originally posted by Q99
Jirobo's chakra absorption is far more limited than Nagato's. It requires someone being trapped in that earth dome.Having the sound four's techniques are nice, but they were special-jonin level. Kimimaro's is better, but his moves are at S- level.
Granted, all of these together is still a lot and I don't want to downplay how awesome what he has is. He's an impressive S+.
Correction: He's an impressive SS- to SS.
Originally posted by Q99
Nagato I'd still put over Kabuto in a direct fight. His offensive jutsu are a lot bigger, his chakra absorption better and can be kept always on, he's got lasers and missiles, soul-ripping.... as we found out recently he also has those chakra chains that Tobi and Kushina use too.
I would not.
Kabuto seems to be faster than Sage Mode Naruto. Anyone that can get the drop on Itachi is as fast as A.
Not to mention, Kabuto seems to have endless sage mode because of his particular body. That is/was the major bane of Naruto's Sage Mode.
Lastly, he has all of Oro's techs/jutsus (it would appear) but not the debilitating weakness of a decaying body and the chakra limits that Oro had.
A fully healthy Oro is S.
A fully healthy Oro with Sage mode, Suigetsu's liquification ability, Naruto's Sage Mode without the timing and stillness weaknesses, all of the sound five's abilities, and Kabuto's medical ninjutsu abilities makes that character superior to even ET Madara. In my opinion, the only way to take Kabuto down is with a fully powered Biju Dama from Kurama.
Saying that Kabuto is S+ when he is holding at bay two S+ class ninjas, at once, is a bit silly.
Here's the catch: Minato could still defeat him 1 v 1. 🙂
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you laugh cause it sounds funny, i laugh cause she has no feats
Indeed. She doesn't.
I would put her at C-Class.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
kabuto could have made the entire room they were in into a pipe organ using those bones and tayuya's sound techs.
Indeed. His interests are not to defeat Itachi and Sasuke...he is after something else.
Originally posted by Bentley
Itachi was tagged because it was part of his plan to use the new eye tech.
That's probably what will happen...unfortunately.
If someone wanted a Marry Sue...it's Itachi. Kishimoto had to arbitrarily give Itachi a sickness to make him not too OP. Now that he's immortal...he is as mary sue as possible.
DadudemonKabuto seems to be faster than Sage Mode Naruto. Anyone that can get the drop on Itachi is as fast as A.
Note how he did it- he came out of the mouth that was right next to Itachi and got him from behind.
Saying that Kabuto is S+ when he is holding at bay two S+ class ninjas, at once, is a bit silly.
But the thing is, those S+s aren't using their best techniques against him directly. It's the soul sword and amaterasu and all that that makes them S+ and... they're holding them back. Plus his knowledge lets him avoid all the eye genjutsu entirely. So 2/3rds their mangekyo skillset is out of play.
It's two handicapped S+s trying to take him alive, with him knowing their jutsu very well.
Now I do think he's quite possibly higher in S+ than them, but he does have reason to be doing so well against them.
And he doesn't have any city-busting jutsu like the other SS- ranked people.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you laugh cause it sounds funny, i laugh cause she has no feats
You know for once you're right 🙂 She really doesn't aside from some healing jutsu, just informed attributes and comparisons.
The only things we know is (1) she's a great spy, (2) she's a good medic, and (3) they were hoping/expecting a mutual kill with lil Kabuto, who does have feats.
Originally posted by Q99
Note how he did it- he came out of the mouth that was right next to Itachi and got him from behind.
I...believe I noted it already: he got the drop on Itachi. Not even Sasuke could do that to Itachi. Itachi has among the absolute best reaction feats in the series...so does ET Nagato.
Originally posted by Q99
But the thing is, those S+s aren't using their best techniques against him directly. It's the soul sword and amaterasu and all that that makes them S+ and... they're holding them back. Plus his knowledge lets him avoid all the eye genjutsu entirely. So 2/3rds their mangekyo skillset is out of play.
No, it is not the soul sword that make Itachi and S+. Without it, he is still S+. Even ill, like he was before he died, he was still an S+. He murdered his entire clan: a clan filled with some of the most potent ninjas.
Originally posted by Q99
It's two handicapped S+s trying to take him alive, with him knowing their jutsu very well.
Not really. Kabuto has held back, considerably, himself. Itachi and Sasuke have used all of their most awesome techs at their maxiumum levels minus the sealing sword and Yata Mirror. Kabuto has not used his abilities to their maxium, effect, quite yet.
Originally posted by Q99
Now I do think he's quite possibly higher in S+ than them, but he does have reason to be doing so well against them.And he doesn't have any city-busting jutsu like the other SS- ranked people.
Is that your only requirement?
If so, then I will make my own list and plagiarize most of your list. mwhwahaaa
But, no, seriously, do you mind if I plagierize about 4/5ths of your list and make my own? 😐
Originally posted by Q99
You know for once you're right 🙂 She really doesn't aside from some healing jutsu, just informed attributes and comparisons.The only things we know is (1) she's a great spy, (2) she's a good medic, and (3) they were hoping/expecting a mutual kill with lil Kabuto, who does have feats.
I would expect her to be at least a C, based on the "hype" she got. In other words, at least a low-level Chunin.
I would moderately consider a B- to a B for a moderate chunin. I would also consider an A- for a very generous placement.
No, it is not the soul sword that make Itachi and S+. Without it, he is still S+. Even ill, like he was before he died, he was still an S+. He murdered his entire clan: a clan filled with some of the most potent ninjas.
The soul sword certainly doesn't *hurt*. But against Sasuke and the other Uchiha, he used both tsukiyomi and amaterasu. Here, he's using neither directly.
Not really. Kabuto has held back, considerably, himself. Itachi and Sasuke have used all of their most awesome techs at their maxiumum levels minus the sealing sword and Yata Mirror. Kabuto has not used his abilities to their maxium, effect, quite yet.
Kabuto's stated he's trying to wear them down and outlast them, though.
And you can't tell me using Amaterasu directly on him wouldn't do a pretty good job.
Is that your only requirement?
No. But still- Kabuto's versatile as heck, while most of the SS- are versatile themselves *and* have shown more raw power.
Also there's several S+s that I think could win or at least draw with Kabuto, while I do think the SS-s would generally hold the advantage in a fight.
But, no, seriously, do you mind if I plagierize about 4/5ths of your list and make my own?
I do remember encouraging people to make their own, yes 🙂
I would expect her to be at least a C, based on the "hype" she got. In other words, at least a low-level Chunin.I would moderately consider a B- to a B for a moderate chunin. I would also consider an A- for a very generous placement.
Still, she got ganked by Kidbuto, and putting him in the Bs or As I think would be too high.
And B-/B is more like, special jonin or ANBU level (a B- chunin is one that's strong enough for promotion, is basically how I see it).
I could see them at C+ for their spy and medic skills. That's pretty good chunin.
Originally posted by Q99
Kabuto's stated he's trying to wear them down and outlast them, though.
Where?
Originally posted by Q99
And you can't tell me using Amaterasu directly on him wouldn't do a pretty good job.
It wouldn't. *sheds outer layer of skin or liquifies that affected body part. Laughs at the uselessness of such a jutsu*
Originally posted by Q99
No. But still- Kabuto's versatile as heck, while most of the SS- are versatile themselves *and* have shown more raw power.
Compared to the "others" in SS- and SS, Kabuto makes them all look quite linear and stale.
As far as more raw-power: not really. Other than a couple of jutsus that level sities, Kabuto has filled the cave, multiple times, quite quickly, with his jutsus. He also created a super manda which is definitely on the level you crave.
Also, I do not think the only requirement for SS- and SS should be the ability to level a city. Konan can do that with a bit of prep and she's not even S-. haermm2
Originally posted by Q99
Also there's several S+s that I think could win or at least draw with Kabuto, while I do think the SS-s would generally hold the advantage in a fight.
Save for Minato, there are none.
I think Kabuto would do just fine against SS- and SS peeps.
Originally posted by Q99
I do remember encouraging people to make their own, yes 🙂
I wanted permission because I would be plagiarizing the majority of your list because I agree with the vast majority of it. I felt I needed permission.
Originally posted by Q99
Still, she got ganked by Kidbuto, and putting him in the Bs or As I think would be too high.
Wasn't she already battle worn? Didn't Kakashi put him on level with him, as well, just a couple of years later? Seems Kabuto is a bit above the rest of the cut. We don't have enough information to really rate her, imo.
Originally posted by Q99
And B-/B is more like, special jonin or ANBU level (a B- chunin is one that's strong enough for promotion, is basically how I see it).I could see them at C+ for their spy and medic skills. That's pretty good chunin.
I am basing the letter rankings off of their canon stats. Neji is chunin level at the chunin exams. So his Gaara. Naruto was/is not. He would be genin. This is how I do my cut offs/measures.
But, yes, I'll make another list if I have time tonight.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It wouldn't. *sheds outer layer of skin or liquifies that affected body part. Laughs at the uselessness of such a jutsu*Compared to the "others" in SS- and SS, Kabuto makes them all look quite linear and stale.
How about an Amaterasu sword? but considering Sasuke was able to escape Amateratsu by doing the same thing I guess I can agree with this.
Kabuto is very versatile I'll give you that but he doesn't boast awesome amounts of power with his justsu unless you count Manda v2.
Originally posted by dadudemon
As far as more raw-power: not really. Other than a couple of jutsus that level sities, Kabuto has filled the cave, multiple times, quite quickly, with his jutsus. He also created a super manda which is definitely on the level you crave.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Save for Minato, there are none.I think Kabuto would do just fine against SS- and SS peeps.
To be honest I think so too. Well most people in S+ would do decently against the SS tier.
I got to stop posting so late. 🙁
Where?
Early on in the fight, he talked about since how they won't kill him his victory is inevitable.
I guess he doesn't actually say 'I'm planning to wear you out,' but he speaks in the long term and throws jutsu that seem to have the primary purpose of making wearing them down. He has better endurance and he's using it.
It wouldn't. *sheds outer layer of skin or liquifies that affected body part. Laughs at the uselessness of such a jutsu*
Only if he's not entirely engulfed, and did you see the size of the Amaterasu used against Killerbee or his webs? They could easily leave him with no-where to skin-shed too except more flame.
And shedding most of his body mass takes chakra and endurance. Being able to regen is not the same as not being hurt.
Compared to the "others" in SS- and SS, Kabuto makes them all look quite linear and stale.
But a whole lot of his jutsu are fairly minor and non-flexible ones, like Jirobo's rock. Several really uber and flexible jutsu beat even more not-very-uber ones.
As far as more raw-power: not really. Other than a couple of jutsus that level sities, Kabuto has filled the cave, multiple times, quite quickly, with his jutsus. He also created a super manda which is definitely on the level you crave.
The cave is much much smaller than what the SS-s have done.
Also, I do not think the only requirement for SS- and SS should be the ability to level a city. Konan can do that with a bit of prep and she's not even S-.
Well, the SS- ones can do such jutsu repeatedly without prep 🙂
Also, I really don't get why you underrate her so much. Yea, you've said your reasons, but they all just come off as taking a lot of effort to downplay her.
It doesn't hurt that as an Akatsuki, she's flat-out confirmed as S-class , and there's plenty of Akatsuki she could beat, and, like, no A+s that could.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Kabuto's only just started to use justsu with large areas of effect, unless you count the genjutsu he used previously. The SS- and SS have jutsus that can turn most of the terrain into a parking lot or greatly affect the terrain in general. Either that or their hax as shit in the case of Current Madara or arguably even Naruto.
I don't view being able to create large scale destruction as a requirement of being SS- or SS. I see it as the ability to take on two S+ at once and stalemating or winning.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Err...how would Minato hurt Kabuto again? I mean if Amateratsu isn't affected I doubt kunai and a uber Rasengan would do much; well he could just port Kabuto somewhere I guess.
I was thinking one of his various chakra seals would work. Also, Minato appears to be fast enough to pose a problem for Kabuto.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
To be honest I think so too. Well most people in S+ would do decently against the SS tier.I got to stop posting so late. 🙁
Nah. Do eeet!
Originally posted by Q99
Early on in the fight, he talked about since how they won't kill him his victory is inevitable.I guess he doesn't actually say 'I'm planning to wear you out,' but he speaks in the long term and throws jutsu that seem to have the primary purpose of making wearing them down. He has better endurance and he's using it.
This is what I thought. While your claim NOT baseless, it is not a fact, either.
However, I see Kabuto obviously playing around. He could have easily taken out Itachi and Sasuke by now. Genjutsu...rock dome them with a triple layer.
Or, genjutsu them, seal up Itachi and at the same time, cut Sasuke in half. He could have won this already but he is delaying, as you say, for some reason.
Originally posted by Q99
Only if he's not entirely engulfed, and did you see the size of the Amaterasu used against Killerbee or his webs? They could easily leave him with no-where to skin-shed too except more flame.And shedding most of his body mass takes chakra and endurance. Being able to regen is not the same as not being hurt.
I disagree, of course. IMO, you're creating a problem that doesn't exist. He could shed his skin in a way that creates some free spots. And I already commented on why his shedding is not a big deal when it comes to chakra: his infinite sage mode.
Originally posted by Q99
But a whole lot of his jutsu are fairly minor and non-flexible ones, like Jirobo's rock. Several really uber and flexible jutsu beat even more not-very-uber ones.
I see Jirobo's rock as a delay tactic but potentially game breaking if used properly as I indicated above. And I see Kabuto as being super versatile
Originally posted by Q99
The cave is much much smaller than what the SS-s have done.
It's larger than the roof-top a kage battle took place, for sure.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, the SS- ones can do such jutsu repeatedly without prep 🙂
They can?
Cause I seem to remember Nagato shortening his life span to do his massive attack. 🙂 Madara would be the exception. But he has some perfect fusion going on with Hashirama...just what he always wanted.
Originally posted by Q99
Also, I really don't get why you underrate her so much. Yea, you've said your reasons, but they all just come off as taking a lot of effort to downplay her.
I see the opposite. I see your overrating her and it takes some mental acrobatics to justify that her prep was her every day arsenal.
Originally posted by Q99
It doesn't hurt that as an Akatsuki, she's flat-out confirmed as S-class , and there's plenty of Akatsuki she could beat, and, like, no A+s that could.
I already listed a massive list of people that could beat her in the A+ list. 🙂