Next chapter will show Kabuto either WTF-pwning the brothers or doing something stupid.
That...or the new eye-technique will be stupidly in favor of Itachi.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You know Dadudemon, if you're tired of her being oh so wrong, you can just drop the discussion yourself. 313
I did. She brought it back up. 🙂
I honestly dislike Kabuto now about as much as I hate Sasuke. I hope Itachi, not Sasuke, owns him big time. I actually liked kabuto when he was just an extremely gifted medical ninja with decent Taijutsu. Heck, even the sage training would have been okay. But just shooting up DNA to become stronger is uber lame. I much more prefer training to get stronger than the easy fix but that's just me.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And you're continuing it. But you can be the bigger man,Spoiler:and end things early. awesome
for once,
I have done so, in the past. My post clearly indicates that I stopped with that conversation, in the past. 😉
And "ending a conversation" is not necessarily "being a bigger man". That's a sexist thing to say. awesome
Originally posted by dadudemon
I have done so, in the past. My post clearly indicates that I stopped with that conversation, in the past. 😉And "ending a conversation" is not necessarily "being a bigger man". That's a sexist thing to say. awesome
Actions>Words. vin
Only men know how to end a conversation.
Now that is a sexist thing to say. uhuh
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You seem to think injecting DNA into a person and molding it to obtain such interesting results is easy. He can only do so because he is an extremely talented medic.Personally, I really dig the way Kabuto fights now. Fitting for a mad scientist like guy.
Never said it was easy, but he did already have some of the groundwork laid out for him since I believe Orochimaru had already been experimenting with it. But to each his/her own.
Originally posted by socool8520
I was being nice with the bee fight cuz i like hime, but fine, yes he got whooped. When i said he would PRETTY much be the strongest, I didn't mean uncontested. I guess one of the strongest would have been better. However, He already has great Taijutsu which is out of most peoples league, and then you add the ability to basically be Kakashi or Sasuke as well, pretty much making him fully well rounded in every facet there is, how do you figure he would not be one of the strongest?
I like Bee too, but let's call a spade a spade. Bee got punked, big time.
There are other people who are like current Sasuke & Gai rolled into one (i.e. well rounded), but much stronger, i.e. Madara, current Tobi, and to a lesser extent, Itachi. The first two would destroy a Gai that could use the Sharingan as well as say, Kakashi could, and the third would still beat said Gai. Not saying those three are > Gai in terms of Taijutsu though.
Originally posted by socool8520
Oh and Minato would still beat him. lol
Yeah, probably.
Originally posted by socool8520
How would he do that, since you know in this scenario, Gai would also have a sharingan. Does this mean that Tobi could just kamui kakashi's head off, or Madara could Kamui everyone's head off?
What makes you think having a Sharingan automatically ensures one's immunity to Kamui? No such thing is alluded to in the manga afaik.
Also, with Jinchuurikii levels of chakra, Kakashi could spam Kamui all day long. awesome
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I like Bee too, but let's call a spade a spade. Bee got punked, big time.There are other people who are like current Sasuke & Gai rolled into one (i.e. well rounded), but much stronger, i.e. Madara, current Tobi, and to a lesser extent, Itachi. The first two would destroy a Gai that could use the Sharingan as well as say, Kakashi could, and the third would still beat said Gai. Not saying those three are > Gai in terms of Taijutsu though.
Yeah, probably.
I agree with you that Madara could, and probably Tobi, too. However I must disagree that Kakashi could. seeing as how they are pretty much evenly matched now, so sharingan would give Gai the edge in my opinon since he could counter the only advantage kakashi has over him. The third who? Raikage Hiruzen? And still, how does that few of people you mentioned, and i only agreed with two, make my statement that he would be one of the strongest untrue?
Originally posted by socool8520
I already agreed with you about the Bee fight. Don't rub it in. lolI agree with you that Madara could, and probably Tobi, too. However I must disagree that Kakashi could. seeing as how they are pretty much evenly matched now, so sharingan would give Gai the edge in my opinon since he could counter the only advantage kakashi has over him. The third who? Raikage Hiruzen? And still, how does that few of people you mentioned, and i only agreed with two, make my statement that he would be one of the strongest untrue?
Heh, okay.
They aren't evenly matched though.
Hypothetical Gai has got insane Taijutsu, and a Sharingan. Hypothetical Kakashi is weaker in Taijutsu, but he also has a Sharingan. In addition, he would have exponentially more chakra for all of his ninjutsu, and Jinchuurikii abilities. He'd gain the ability to spam Kamui to his heart's content in a battle.
By 'third', I was referring to Itachi. And yeah, 3rd Raikage would beat Gai as well. Hiruzen, not so much.
Gai's already one of the strongest people in the manga. Adding a regular Sharingan and giving him skill with it would make him stronger, but it still wouldn't put him in the top tiers IMO.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Heh, okay.They aren't evenly matched though.
Hypothetical Gai has got insane Taijutsu, and a Sharingan. Hypothetical Kakashi is weaker in Taijutsu, but he also has a Sharingan. In addition, he would have exponentially more chakra for all of his ninjutsu, and Jinchuurikii abilities. He'd gain the ability to spam Kamui to his heart's content.
By 'third', I was referring to Itachi. And yeah, 3rd Raikage would beat Gai as well. Hiruzen, not so much.
Gai's already one of the strongest people in the manga. Adding a regular Sharingan and giving him skill with it would make him stronger, but it still wouldn't put him in the top tiers IMO.
Ohhhhhhhh.....You were referring to Kakashi as bijuu. My bad, I can see you argument for that now. I don't know if he could spam Kamui. I guess it depends on which bijuu it is. However, in relation to some characters, Kakashi has a pretty low chakra amount. I also think that Gai wuold be fine in he chakra department since he would really only use chakra for sharingan techniques, as to where Kakashi relies heavily on Chakra based attacks. I'm not so sure abou these jinchuurikii abilities unless he lets the bijuu take over his body. There is no guarantee that he would master the bijuu like Bee.
I didn't understand your third reference then. My bad. However, i do think that Itachi is a better sharingan user than Kakashi, but i don't think his Taijutsu is necessarily better though. And it seemed like Itachi really didn't want to fight against gai when they met up trying to capture Naruto.
I haven't been extremely impressed by third raikage so far. He handled Sasuke's imperfect Susan'o but doesn't seem to be doing much against Madara without help. I don't know about the third. he basically lost to speed and a rasengan against Naruto, although I can't honestly say how Gai's 7 gates speed compares to kyuubi mode naruto. It's slower I think, but how much slower is the question.
It is.
A jutsu on her person is shown talking about jutsu expiring.
It could be called the 'mug mug' jutsu, the point would be the same.
The jutsu is shown in constant use in the fight itself- she's visibly part paper the entire time!
She could be talking about fireball and it still wouldn't be an argument for her not spending most of her time in paper form.
Correction: saw.And it is a dishonest agenda on your part.
That everyone but you is in on? C'mon.
No-one at Naruto Wikia thinks she doesn't spend most of her time in paper.
No-one else here does.
I can find no-one who agrees with you on this topic at all.
No, you should check the dates and the arguments that match those dates. The arguments the decisively resolve the discussions occur after the arguments you posted. That's very dishonest of you to now use another angle, out of context, to what I referred.
Look at the first date in the post I made:
on this information and its validity cannot be vouched for."
Go to the talk page for elaboration:
"Which info is false ? It seems correct to my knowledge. --speysider (talk) 16:15, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
In the chapter the paper ocean thing was used, Konan talked about how her "Paper Person of God" technique was dissipating because of her having used too much chakra. However, she never specifically mentioned the paper ocean thing to be that technique. Therefore, the assumption that she was referring to this technique can be regarded as false info.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 16:33, March 9, 2012 (UTC)"
March 9 2012!
And you're also skipping over: Previous topics resolved in favor of it not being the correct name.
You're the one being dishonest here.
As of the latest, there were two arguments made in support of the old interpretation and both were addressed already before they made them(go back and read it):1. That the forbidden jutsu refers to Izanagi instead of her kami no shisha no jutsu. Addressed because the opening chapter lines clarify that it refers to her technique.
2. That the paper angel technique refers to her ability to turn into paper when that argument had been destroyed for almost a year, by that point.
Last post by a mod from the past debate:
"I'd say the names match the abilities pretty well, actually. The Paper Angel Technique, in my opinion, is not the giant chasm of paper Konan created. I think it refers either to her ability to turn herself (and other things) into paper, or her ability to control that paper. When Konan mentioned her technique was cancelling, her hair ornament and all the other paper flowers started to fall apart. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 11:46, September 17, 2010 (UTC)"
The posts by non-mods after agree.
They came to a clear conclusion different from what you say.
Do not accuse people of dishonest when you haven't read what you're talking about.
No...this and always this is what it is about :
"...out of chakra..."
and
"[size]...logia intangibility...[/size]"
When neither of those are true.
And gee, seeing the jutsu actively turn off, and seeing it on constantly on the rest of the time, and seeing her mention that she's low on chakra (yes, not completely out, but exhausted and clearly low and turning off persisted jutsu), and seeing no-one but you think that she isn't in paper form most of the time, and having actually seen her operate in a logia-like fashion where major damage to paper does nothing all counts for nothing?
Not impressed.
Not impressed with insults either.
Originally posted by dadudemon
FALSE!Tobi said her first attack (which resulted in his arm being blown off because he saved himself and her) was prep, as well.
"Seems you were planning to explode I swallowed you and take you with me."
How did she know to do that? Oh, right...prep. She had observed Tobi and planned for ages a counter attack/technique to get him. That first prong of her attack plan was this attack. She prepped ANOTHER strategy had that one failed: Kami no shisha no jutsu. That one failed as well.
'Thinking ahead' is not prep. It's simply thinking ahead.
When someone is said to have specific prep abilities, that means they can do stronger attacks due to setting up preparations. Konan almost-killed Tobi with an attack she didn't set up in advance, then almost-killed him again with one she did.
I mean, Deidara planned specifically and extensively for both Gaara and Sasuke. We don't discount all of his jutsu in those fights despite them being planned.
Both Sasuke and Itachi planned out their fight in depth- likewise.
That's just applying different standards to different characters.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Actions>Words. vin
Exactly my point. Glad you agree that I done good in the past. 🙂
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Only men know how to end a conversation.Now that is a sexist thing to say. uhuh
Actually, most girls quickly end long-winded fact based arguments, from my observations. It would appear that "real men don't arbitrarily end arguments". They argue, ceaselessly.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I believe I asked for Gai to be higher than S- based on his stupidly high stats when in Gates Mode, as well as his Morning Peacock & Afternoon Tiger attack, and you disagreed, as you felt the Gates were a double-edged sword if they failed.
Yet you agree with Nemebro without any argument.I suspect Nemebro's willingness to loan his ass and stuff has had something to do with this. sneer
Nah, I just changed my mind over time.
Which does mean your argument almost certainly placed the seeds of thinking it 🙂
The funny thing is, Gai really does seem to legitimately rank stronger than his 'rival,' Kakashi, for awhile.
One thing, though- he only does his nicer gate abilities post-timeskip. What do we do with part 1 when he hasn't shown them yet?
Soscool
Wasn't minato also helping stop the Paw? And if the binding techniques are all we have to go off of, that still isn't enough versatility to say she could defeat most S class people. She would basically be Sakura with a binding technique and no medical skills. And I am not on the Sakura band wagon.
Minato's feet weren't touching the ground while Kushina was braced in.
Also, not all S-class have high versatility- Gaara, Deidara, Might Guy, etc.. One jutsu style used well works.
The chains have a variety of uses too. They can grab directly or they can form barriers that keep even Sarutobi out. She can use them individually or as a group, and she can do many at once.
Then she can activate chakra cloak... (to unknown tails, but every last jinchuuriki can do it). And seals on a high level.
Originally posted by Q99
lso, not all S-class have high versatility- Gaara, Deidara, Might Guy, etc.. One jutsu style used well works.The chains have a variety of uses too. They can grab directly or they can form barriers that keep even Sarutobi out. She can use them individually or as a group, and she can do many at once.
Then she can activate chakra cloak... (to unknown tails, but every last jinchuuriki can do it). And seals on a high level.
all those people you mentioned are versatile in the fact that they have multiple attacks with their respected style. Gaara has defense and offense with several combinations of sand attacks. Deidara is long range, and has flight with his clay bird, and several different attacks with his clay style. Gai has long and varied attacks with Taijutsu, and the ability to summon. plus he has a defense for sharingan.
Kushina on the other hand, has only shown some strength, a binding technique, and sealing knowledge that i don't think is extremely useful against these particular people you just mentioned. If you are talking about a chakra cloak in regards to a bijuu taking over, then that can be overcome I would imagine since kisame has been said to be able to battle a bijuu solo I think. I'm not sure about her being able to use the one at time but I may have forgotten. i only remember her fully binding the kyuubi down with all chains. Also, when did she use chains to keep Hiruzen out? I thought that was Tobi.