Originally posted by dadudemonthere is a lot of holding back and wanting to keep a low profile in the manga, not to mention fallowing orders. another aspect of being bound by whatever situation they were in at the time is field advantages, prep, etc
Give me an example of that situational thing.
just think about how jiraya is perceived by naruto readers, itachi and pein are always brought up and the context behind both confrontations
Socool
^ Minato is not even my favorite character. lol There are quite a few people I like more than him. Plus, I'm just saying he should be a little higher since, you know, he is in the same class as Bee, and he showed he could have pretty much owned him and A at the same time. Just sayin
Keep in mind that (1) that was young A and B, and (2) modern B can blow up an army/fortress/pretty much whatever with a biju ball, personal combat aside, and has become stronger in person combat than A.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
in other words, either you like it or someone has to gather a big enough posse with pitch forks to make you reconsider.... you're the judge and jury. something is wrong with that.
No, not really pitchforks. Just, y'know, a margin of people in favor.
And a minority with pitchforks doesn't work, else it'd just be a popularity ranking.
Most of the big hubub ones have a few or just one loud person but are outnumbered by people who've said, "Yea, I think this rating is fine."
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the lists can all diethere are some characters that are true benchmarks but the rest are situational and/or plot (and thus match-ups in the manga) hinders their true ability to even get a fair ranking
Well I am talking a 'more-or-less approximate rating of their capabilities, averaging their level in a variety of situations,' not an absolute. Situation does of course always come into play.
Participation isn't required either.
there is a lot of holding back and wanting to keep a low profile in the manga, not to mention fallowing orders. another aspect of being bound by whatever situation they were in at the time is field advantages, prep, etc
Yea, but we can try and filter that out since we know about said conditions.
Originally posted by Q99
Keep in mind that (1) that was young A and B, and (2) modern B can blow up an army/fortress/pretty much whatever with a biju ball, personal combat aside, and has become stronger in person combat than A.
That was an approaching middle age A and a early 20s B.
Modern B could do the same thing as he had mastered his biju PRIOR to that encounter with Minato.
We do not know at which point B became stronger than A in combat: we only know that as a child, B was weaker than A and as an adult, B was stronger than A. It is just as likely that B surpassed A sometime in his teens as A admitted that B had more talent than him.
Originally posted by Q99
No, not really pitchforks. Just, y'know, a margin of people in favor.And a minority with pitchforks doesn't work, else it'd just be a popularity ranking.
Most of the big hubub ones have a few or just one loud person but are outnumbered by people who've said, "Yea, I think this rating is fine."
This not representative of what actually happens, at all.
Two to 3 people supported gai moving up: that's hardly a "margin". No one supported keeping him where he was that actually spoke up about it.
Basically, here's what happens: if you are okay with a person moving up or down, it gets moved on your list. If you are not okay, it doesn't happen. The number of people do not matter.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I through sheer force of my awesomeness convinced Q to change Gai's rating.Though holding others to my standard is a bit unfair...
Not true. I convinced Q99 in PMs last week. Q99 said that he would be moved if anyone spoke up about it.
Wasn't it Demonic who originally brought up moving Gai? And Neme re-brought it up before the PMs.
This not representative of what actually happens, at all.Two to 3 people supported gai moving up: that's hardly a "margin". No one supported keeping him where he was that actually spoke up about it.
Basically, here's what happens: if you are okay with a person moving up or down, it gets moved on your list. If you are not okay, it doesn't happen. The number of people do not matter.
Two or three for moving, zero against. Seems pretty clear to me.
Konan was four or five against moving, one for.
Yea, if I'm fine with it, it doesn't take many- I can vote too, you know. I prefer to get at least two others, but if there's one person and me and no one objects... well, that's 2-0 right there. And people can object at any time, it's not like the votes ever close, people've moved and then been moved back before.
Also if I'm unsure of something, but someone else is pretty sure and can provide a reason that they're whatever, then I'd even be willing to go with that. 0-1 in other words.
But let's not forget, if I'm outnumbered and people provide a reason, people can and have moved, like Suigetsu.
What's happened recently is we've had a couple incidents of one person arguing at length for a particular change, but quantity of argument doesn't equal quantity of supporters.
Originally posted by NemeBro
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Originally posted by Q99
Keep in mind that (1) that was young A and B, and (2) modern B can blow up an army/fortress/pretty much whatever with a biju ball, personal combat aside, and has become stronger in person combat than A.
Being stronger than A matters very little when Bee still slower than A, and thus no better off then the first time they both fought Minato. Minato has shown he is able to handle a beast ball, something only a Jinchurikii on the level of Naruto has been able to do. Oh yeah, and Oro. He has shown the capability to cut through the eight tails tentacle and the speed to insta-kill, Bee when not in eight tails form. Nothing about Bee's current strength says that he can defeat Minato at all.
Originally posted by socool8520
Being stronger than A matters very little when Bee still slower than A,
That's true. However, B is among the top 5 fastest ninjas, right now. He's super fast. I don't think people realize how fast B is. But...he is definitely slower than A.
Originally posted by socool8520
Nothing about Bee's current strength says that he can defeat Minato at all.
I agree.
I think that Minato could still defeat both A and B at the same time if he were serious.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's true. However, B is among the top 5 fastest ninjas, right now. He's super fast. I don't think people realize how fast B is. But...he is definitely slower than A.I think that Minato could still defeat both A and B at the same time if he were serious.
I agree that bee is fast, but unless he somehow becomes faster then A, he is not on Minato's level. Being strong doesn't help if you have no way of tagging your opponent. Considering they couldn't even touch him the first time. The only person I see tagging minato with speed is Naruto. Only because he is fast and he could make clones that move fast effectively covering a wider area than anyone else.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Or Bee could just turn into a big **** off Bull/Octopus thing that Minato has no known technique to counter.On the whole though, I'd agree that Minato wins more often than not.
Errrr....A was able to injure the octopus, and Minato was able to sever the tentacle, so what are you talking about. Also, I can't remember, but can the eight-tails deflect beast balls like kurama? If not, he better not use it against Minato or it gets sent back to him. I'm pretty sure Minato could simply teleport around the eight tails hacking away. Probably wouldn't take to long. he could even use the toads for backup.