Originally posted by Q99
A biju ball can blow up way more than a platoon though.
Ummm....not it can't.
The amount of time they have to respond gives quite a few of them to flee and possibly avoid death.
You can't avoid certain death from Minato. This is why they were given "flee on site".
Now...if you mean a biju blast can actually destroy more people because of the volume of the blast...SURE! But this is about ninja platoons, not stationary towns.
There is a reason I said platoons instead of towns. 😐
Originally posted by Q99
It can blow up *mountains*. It can blow up barriers maintained by strong ninja. And so on.
Minato vs. biju blast:
Minato wins. 😐
Your point is irrelephant. 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
Also 8-tail's spin attack could take out a platoon in a flash too ^^
Oh man...cause like...a platoon would wait there, sit, not move, do nothing, and watch while B went from man-mode to full biju mode and then spin.
Okay, so make sure you keep apples to apples.
Minato: Flash.
"Biju spinny mode thing": not a flash...it takes a while.
I'll take Minato, still, over a biju. 🙂
Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh and btw:http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v31/c277/6.html
Eat me.
Also, please don't use "Minato's is bigger nuh uh" as proof for it being due to physical strength. Just... Don't.
Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v47/c434/2.htmlMOAR RASENGAN CRATERS YAY.
Wow. What an extremely shitty argument you have made. For real: that's a very shitty argument you just tried to pull. You actually did not do anything at all to make your argument: even a little bit. You only proved my point.
Naruto, in his initial kyubi rage mode, pulls a dude from out of the air with three clones, and falls quite a way down to the ground, and delivers a rasengan upon impact. And you want to blame the TINY crater in the ground on the rasengan rather than the other more obvious factors? Good one. Let's go with the obvious: Naruto pulled the punk ass out of the air and smashed a rasengan into his back which caused a small amount of ground damage from the impact: the Rasengan did jack diddly to the ground and toe up the baddie: exactly what we say the rasengan do to the trees when Naruto was practicing. The damage happens directly on the surface of an object.
Onwards to your second fail scan: Naruto is in SAGE mode. He is possibly the physically strongest character when he is in that mode: even stronger than Tsunade based upon his rhino throw. On top of that, the crater Naruto makes is still pitiful in comparison to the cater Minato made with Tobi's body and Naruto used TWO rasengans.
So, again, I tell you: you proved my point, not yours. The only point you succeeded in proving was that Naruto, when amped with lots of strength via his kyubi and sage modes, can create pitifully small craters with rasengans when you compare them to Minato's attack against Tobi. Thank you for proving that Minato is much much stronger than Naruto when Naruto is in sage mode. You just proved that Minato is now the physically strongest character in the series, by far. If that was your intention, I retract all things negative I have stated about your position and instead thank you. 😄 If not, suck my balls.* uhuh
* Oh man. I remember when you got banned for saying that in the video game section. Rage moment just flashed through my mind.
Originally posted by NemeBro
And no, I didn't.
I don't wanna repost it. It's about being a navy seal assassin. 😐 It's good times.
Originally posted by dadudemonLol.
Thank you for proving that Minato is much much stronger than Naruto when Naruto is in sage mode. You just proved that Minato is now the physically strongest character in the series, by far.
The rest of your post is meaningless fluff, since you still haven't proven any of those craters were due to physical strength. 🙂
Oh and:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c502/9.html
Minato's strike blocked by one wrist-hold by Tobi.
Some "strongest character".
But shit, let's just look at the feat you are wanking shamelessly, won't we?
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c503/3.html
"Minato's Rasengan explodes"
The manga's narrative explicitly attributes the damage to the Rasengan.
/waits to see how you will handwave this
Originally posted by NemeBro
Lol.The rest of your post is meaningless fluff, since you still haven't proven any of those craters were due to physical strength. 🙂
Actually, yes, I have. You are delusional and in denial, at this point. It doesn't get anymore clear that you're wrong than it does with what you did. You literally proved my point and I could not have asked for a better set of evidence.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh and:http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c502/9.html
Minato's strike blocked by one wrist-hold by Tobi.
Some "strongest character".
Apples to oranges. A stab that clearly passed through Tobi's head is obviously not a power strike...especially since Minato has the reflexes to realize he was passing through and not actually hitting anything.
Originally posted by NemeBro
But shit, let's just look at the feat you are wanking shamelessly, won't we?http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c503/3.html
"Minato's Rasengan [b]explodes
"The manga's narrative explicitly attributes the damage to the Rasengan.
/waits to see how you will handwave this [/B]
You can now STFU and sit down. Oh, and, you'll probably need some of this, now, to soothe your butthurt:
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
NemeBro owes me a lot of cash.
No, NemeBro owes me a lot of cash, now.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ummm....not it can't.The amount of time they have to respond gives quite a few of them to flee and possibly avoid death.
It can be aimed even if they're fleeing, so not much possibility in that possibility.
I'll note Orochimaru, Sasuke, Kakashi and Gai, all resorted to methods other than fleeing when faced with biju balls. Platoons full of normal ninja stand no chance.
Now...if you mean a biju blast can actually destroy more people because of the volume of the blast...SURE! But this is about ninja platoons, not stationary towns.
And I was talking about in general.
Town? Fortress? Platoon with barrier ninja? All times when you'd want a biju ball.
Minato vs. biju blast:Minato wins. 😐
Your point is irrelephant.
He can redirect such an attack, but it still provides a capability he doesn't have.
Oh man...cause like...a platoon would wait there, sit, not move, do nothing, and watch while B went from man-mode to full biju mode and then spin.Okay, so make sure you keep apples to apples.
Minato: Flash.
"Biju spinny mode thing": not a flash...it takes a while.
I'll take Minato, still, over a biju. 🙂
It takes a little time, but we're not talking super long and it covers a huge area. All of Tobi's paths, including the one that could actually fly, couldn't escape.
Bee drops near a couple platoons and does it, they're all dead.
Originally posted by Q99
It can be aimed even if they're fleeing, so not much possibility in that possibility.
So they all flee in the same direction?
Why? Why would you assume that that is their first response is to flee in the same direction?
Originally posted by Q99
I'll note Orochimaru, Sasuke, Kakashi and Gai, all resorted to methods other than fleeing when faced with biju balls. Platoons full of normal ninja stand no chance.
So a platoon is going to act in the same way that an individual will?
Lets go down the list:
1. Oro was playing around. Wanted to test his mettle because he's a sick ****.
2. Sasuke was sent to capture B. It was thought that he might be able to do it.
3. Kakashi and Gai are not going to flee because they are there to prevent Tobi from getting his hands on the Biju.
Also, a platoon full of decent ninja may actually stand a chance, lol! Like, for real. A load of earth benders may put up enough earth in time to protect themselves from the blast. What do you think about that?
Yes, I said "earth benders". 😆
Originally posted by Q99
And I was talking about in general.Town? Fortress? Platoon with barrier ninja? All times when you'd want a biju ball.
Platoon? Platoon? Platoon? Or Platoon?
Yes, all of those were what I was talking about. Biju: used as military weapons. Military: comprised of ninajs. Ordered in platoons during war time.
Wage ware against the mlitary assets: the platoons.
Destroy a village of people: bad idea.
Destroy a platoon of ninjas/war assets: good idea.
Now this is why I referred to platoons rather than stationary towns. Destroy the military assets, destroy the ability of the other nation to wage war. Destroy their towns, infuriate them and lose moral support.
So, no, I reject your injection of other ideas and stick with my original point: platoons.
Originally posted by Q99
He can redirect such an attack, but it still provides a capability he doesn't have.
Your point, that I responded to, is still irrelevant.
Now you're talking in circles because my response to your above comment is what I have said already: minato can destroy a platoon in a flash. A biju cannot.
Originally posted by Q99
It takes a little time, but we're not talking super long and it covers a huge area. All of Tobi's paths, including the one that could actually fly, couldn't escape.
Super long? No. But super long, I'd assume 2 or 3 decades.
By a few seconds? Yeah, it takes a few seconds. The anime shows us about 3-6 seconds.
As far as getting to safety: anyone with a speed of 4 or better should be fast enough to escape. 🙂
Prove me wrong. Because the last time I checked, a speed of 4 was fast enough to be clicked into the supersonic levels of speed.
A speed of 5 is hypersonic.
Come at me.
Originally posted by Q99
Bee drops near a couple platoons and does it, they're all dead.
Bee drops a dozen or so ninja, not a platoon. No where is it ever shown or stated that B can destroy an entire platoon in a flash: only Minato is capable of that. No one else.
Maybe Naruto. 🙂
So they all flee in the same direction?Why? Why would you assume that that is their first response is to flee in the same direction?
The blasts are big enough that scattering is only going to be enough if they're already spread out. And even then, that'll get most of them.
1. Oro was playing around. Wanted to test his mettle because he's a sick ****.2. Sasuke was sent to capture B. It was thought that he might be able to do it.
3. Kakashi and Gai are not going to flee because they are there to prevent Tobi from getting his hands on the Biju.
Note that they didn't dodge or consider that a possibility either, even though they're all good at that.
Fleeing and then coming back would be a good idea, if it worked.
Yes, all of those were what I was talking about. Biju: used as military weapons. Military: comprised of ninajs. Ordered in platoons during war time.Wage ware against the mlitary assets: the platoons.
Ninja live in villages and use fortresses.
Also, sometimes they use armies of platoons instead of individual ones, and the more enemies are present, the more the mass destruction techniques of the biju will let them kill at once.
Not just a platoon, but hundreds of ninja.
Originally posted by Q99
The blasts are big enough that scattering is only going to be enough if they're already spread out. And even then, that'll get most of them.
K, well, but it's not. And some chunins are more than fast enough to escape in time.
And...you just conceded the point, which is good.
Even if you don't say the same exact thing I do, just admitting I am partially right is good enough for me.
The fact that some might get free should be more than enough evidence that...
Minato > Gyuki/tailed beasts EXCEPT FOR a full powered Kurama. It seems that Kurama is just too damn much for even people like Minato to seal without a host.
Originally posted by Q99
Note that they didn't dodge or consider that a possibility either, even though they're all good at that.Fleeing and then coming back would be a good idea, if it worked.
Note that your reply dodges my point, entirely, and even ignores it when you make "if it worked" point.
Originally posted by Q99
Ninja live in villages and use fortresses.
What fortress?
And, yes, we saw how quickly the Konoha nin reacted to a summon right at the town.
Originally posted by Q99
Also, sometimes they use armies of platoons instead of individual ones, and the more enemies are present, the more the mass destruction techniques of the biju will let them kill at once.
No, that's a sure way for the biju to end up quickly subdued. The biju won't get a single blast off. 😐
So...uh new Naruto chapter is out.
Spoiler:
My new found hatred of Itachi has now increased even more though him explaining what Izanami does was kind of helpful. He also tells Sasuke that he's not perfect and that Kabuto had to stop lying to himself in order to escape the loop.Well Itachi did use the basic functions of the Sharingan this time and I'm kind of glad that the Tosuka Blade is now lost to him. I would like to note that Itachi states he'll end Edo Tensei which I really hope he doesn't
Originally posted by dadudemon Actually, yes, I have. You are delusional and in denial, at this point. It doesn't get anymore clear that you're wrong than it does with what you did. You literally proved my point and I could not have asked for a better set of evidence.
Blahblahblah butthurt dadudemon tossing condescending statements to cover the ass pounding I've given him.
Apples to oranges. A stab that clearly passed through Tobi's head is obviously not a power strike...especially since Minato has the reflexes to realize he was passing through and not actually hitting anything.
So a killing stab = Not using his full strength?
Hey man face it: Tobi stopped him.
You can now STFU and sit down. Oh, and, you'll probably need some of this, now, to soothe your butthurt:
I'm not sure what this is meant to disprove.
Rasengan explodes/strikes both attribute the damage to... The Rasengan.
Seriously. You are using the damage from a Rasengan to be used as proof that Minato is not just physically strong, but is physically the strongest character in the ****ing series (Ignoring that Tsunade with only her physical strength has caused bigger craters, and I am moderately sure the Raikage has too). I'm not even saying it's impossible that it "could" be attributed to his strength, but here is the thing: You can't prove it. The manga didn't make that clear at all, and indeed implies that it is due to the Rasengan itself (Which if you didn't notice happens to be pretty damn big compared to the average one). You have an insufficient case for proving Minato's physical strength, and really, you'd get more mileage out of arguing the tentacle cutting feat.
Izanami confuses you? Which part?
Also, it's a week old, but this is what you felt like, no?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Izanami confuses you? Which part?Also, it's a week old, but this is what you felt like, no?
Does it actually have charge up time? I assume yes but I don't see any Amaterasu flames that Sasuke used later in the fight. So...when did he finally stop charging up? Or did he not have to?
Lol Galactus.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Does it actually have charge up time? I assume yes but I don't see any Amaterasu flames that Sasuke used later in the fight. So...when did he finally stop charging up? Or did he not have to?Lol Galactus.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixOnly correction is that he had to wait until he completed the loop.
As far as I can tell, Itachi started recording here, which is why Itachi's left eye is shown in a panel (seemingly minor detail was a nice bit of foreshadowing, much like this page with the cut off horn). He was done recording by this point. As far as trapping Kabuto goes, the only points he could have done it are here, here, or here.
They ran into a different part of the cave. We can't see the flames of Amaterasu once Kabuto traps them in Tayuya's genjutsu and catches up to them.
Yeah, I loled at Itachi summoning Galactus, as well as Legendary Book no Jutsu.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Blahblahblah butthurt dadudemon tossing condescending statements to cover the ass pounding I've given him.
Delusion on your part.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So a killing stab = Not using his full strength?Hey man face it: Tobi stopped him.
Apples to oranges. A stab that clearly passed through Tobi's head is obviously not a power strike...especially since Minato has the reflexes to realize he was passing through and not actually hitting anything.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm not sure what this is meant to disprove.Rasengan explodes/strikes both attribute the damage to... The Rasengan.
"ZOMG! LOOK! Rasengan essploded to cause teh damages! It was dat, mang!"
*dadudemon finds an laternative translation that puts into context what exactly was meant by "explode"*
*Nemebro pitifully dodges and pretends he now meant something else*
Other than you being directly proven wrong, again, what is it supposed to prove?
Sorry, dodge all you want: you were destroyed, yet again.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Seriously. You are using the damage from a Rasengan to be used as proof that Minato is not just physically strong, but is physically the strongest character in the ****ing series (Ignoring that Tsunade with only her physical strength has caused bigger craters, and I am moderately sure the Raikage has too). I'm not even saying it's impossible that it "could" be attributed to his strength, but here is the thing: You can't prove it. The manga didn't make that clear at all, and indeed implies that it is due to the Rasengan itself (Which if you didn't notice happens to be pretty damn big compared to the average one). You have an insufficient case for proving Minato's physical strength, and really, you'd get more mileage out of arguing the tentacle cutting feat.
That damage from the rasengan is the damage caused to Tobi's body. The strength from Minato is the damage caused to the area around the strike.
You proved, quite clearly, that Minato is stronger than a sage-mode, double Rasengan toting Naruto.
Thank you, sir, for proving yourself wrong and making my point as clear as it could possibly get.
Now, cry some more, please: your tears give me strength.