i meant deflecting them by using a stronger beast ball. these clones would merely be a mild nuisance to Minato as he can destroy them fairly quickly like he did that army of ninjas. How are the toads useless. They can help with these clones you are talking about. Gamabunta pinned down Kurama long enough to be dealt with. he also did fairly decent in restraining Shikaku before he fully powered up. He can use water and oil jutsus. not to mention the other big toads that have f!@$ing swords to cut the eight tails up. I think they are far from useless
Oh....well if you mean that then yeah, Gyuuki can reflect beast balls no problem. The clones are meant to be distractions, nothing more, Gyuuki is still the power house. The toads are useless because Gyuuki can toss them around with nary a care in the world.
And then of course there is Samehada, who can be used for a sneak attack on Minato.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Oh....well if you mean that then yeah, Gyuuki can reflect beast balls no problem. The clones are meant to be distractions, nothing more, Gyuuki is still the power house. The toads are useless because Gyuuki can toss them around with nary a care in the world.And then of course there is Samehada, who can be used for a sneak attack on Minato.
So, he can toss around the toads and defend against minato at the same time? I'm not sure that's going down. i guess if the toads were stupid enough to just stand there, but they aren't. Plus gamabunta has ranged attack capabilities. They aren't little like ninjas. Gamabunta, Gamaken, and Gamahiro are as big as bijuus by themselves. How is he flailing them around? lol. they definitely come in handy when you're main focus is minato, and then you have to worry about 3 big ass toads moving around you with swords, and one that has shown to have ninjutsu capabilities.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And then of course there is Samehada, who can be used for a sneak attack on Minato.
Sneak attack Minato? Really? The guy has dodged A's fastest attack at point blank range. he was able to think about what Tobi was doing to him, and then teleport away before Tobi could suck him into another dimension. How in the world is Bee going to sneak attach him? now if Minato simply counters the attack I can see your scenario somewhat.
You seem to be not getting it. Gyuuki doesn't need to bother defending against Minato at all, who can barely nick the guy. The Toads are as big as Bijuu huh? Well, considering Gyuuki can toss them around(while injured), I'd say it won't be having all that hard a time with the Toads, especially considering he packs more power than all of them combined and is probably faster.
The Toads are really just a waste of chakra, particularly if Minato summons more than one. The only reason he summoned Gamabunta to fight Kurama was to get enough chakra to port Kurama away(and to restrain him some).
You seem under the impression that Minato is unable to be surprised. This is wrong, as his exchange with Bee in the past showed.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You seem to be not getting it. Gyuuki doesn't need to bother defending against Minato at all, who can barely nick the guy. The Toads are as big as Bijuu huh? Well, considering Gyuuki can toss them around(while injured), I'd say it won't be having all that hard a time with the Toads, especially considering he packs more power than all of them combined and is probably faster.The Toads are really just a waste of chakra, particularly if Minato summons more than one. The only reason he summoned Gamabunta to fight Kurama was to get enough chakra to port Kurama away(and to restrain him some).
You seem under the impression that Minato is unable to be surprised. This is wrong, as his exchange with Bee in the past showed.
Minato chopped off a tentacle, what are you talking about? nothing states that the tentacle is weaker simply because Bee is not full jinchuriiki mode. So this argument makes little sense. Thus, in my opinion, yes, the eight tails does have to worry about Minato.
The eight tails did not toss around multiple fully formed bijuus. lol They were chackra cloaked, but far from full power. When they were, he managed to pwn the clam looking one who wasn't focused on him, and separately defend an attack from the horned one that had been used on him already. Far from the owning you are talking about. Naruto did that.
So you're saying Gamubunta was strong enough to temporarily restrain the strongest tailed beast, but he is useless against a weaker one? How is that logical?
That exchange would not have gotten that far had minato really been trying to kill him from the start. It was simply plot induced that he was suprised. He was talking to A and let his guard down. that would not happen in this case.
Originally posted by socool8520
Minato chopped off a tentacle, what are you talking about? nothing states that the tentacle is weaker simply because Bee is not full jinchuriiki mode. So this argument makes little sense. Thus, in my opinion, yes, the eight tails does have to worry about Minato.
He did not chop it off all the way and the area he did cut is visibly smaller than the section Sasuke cut off completely. So yeah, Minato can run around nicking him I guess but it is more or less a bug bite.
Originally posted by socool8520
The eight tails did not toss around multiple fully formed bijuus. lol They were chackra cloaked, but far from full power. When they were, he managed to pwn the clam looking one who wasn't focused on him, and separately defend an attack from the horned one that had been used on him already. Far from the owning you are talking about. Naruto did that.
Well this is simple: You're wrong. Just because you're making it sound like Gyuuki didn't do much, keep in mind that the Bijuu are all far stronger than the Toads and Gyuuki was injured. Naruto did not do that by himself, though he did take on three to Gyuuki's two.
Originally posted by socool8520
So you're saying Gamubunta was strong enough to temporarily restrain the strongest tailed beast, but he is useless against a weaker one? How is that logical?
He was nigh useless against Shukaku if you remember and Kurama was visibly distracted. Considering Gyuuki and Bee are far above Gaara and the Shukaku, Gamabunta is even more outclassed.
Originally posted by socool8520
That exchange would not have gotten that far had minato really been trying to kill him from the start. It was simply plot induced that he was suprised. He was talking to A and let his guard down. that would not happen in this case.
Well no, that isn't an argument. Bee managed to intercept Minato's attack on A, subsequently surprising the guy. You can't really call the plot induced stupidity without seeming like a total fanboy dude, I'm sorry to say that.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He did not chop it off all the way and the area he did cut is visibly smaller than the section Sasuke cut off completely. So yeah, Minato can run around nicking him I guess but it is more or less a bug bite.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v57/c543/2.html. This arguably shows the Tentacle was cut to the point of falling off. He did this while in the air and also managing to tag a seal on him without anyone's knowledge.
Well this is simple: You're wrong. Just because you're making it sound like Gyuuki didn't do much, keep in mind that the Bijuu are all far stronger than the Toads and Gyuuki was injured. Naruto did not do that by himself, though he did take on three to Gyuuki's two.
Yeah, he caught one by surprise that was trying to attack Naruto, and the effectively handled the only one that was focused on him. I'm not down playing anything, that's what happened.
He was nigh useless against Shukaku if you remember and Kurama was visibly distracted. Considering Gyuuki and Bee are far above Gaara and the Shukaku, Gamabunta is even more outclassed.
Gamabunta was able to restrain Shukaku long enough for Naruto to eke out the win. That's far from nothing. I'm not saying the summons>Eight Tails. Simply saying they could be useful, especially to someone as intelligent as Minato.
Well no, that isn't an argument. Bee managed to intercept Minato's attack on A, subsequently surprising the guy. You can't really call the plot induced stupidity without seeming like a total fanboy dude, I'm sorry to say that.
I thought you were referring to the dual stabbing each other thing personally. This instance further proves my point. Yeah, he stopped Minato from destroying A, but what did he do to Minato who was not even looking at him? Oh yeah, nothing. It actually worked against him to be honest. It gave Minato the chance to injure him and also stick a seal on him. Not sure if that's how a surprise attack is supposed to go.
Originally posted by socool8520
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v57/c543/2.html. This arguably shows the Tentacle was cut to the point of falling off. He did this while in the air and also managing to tag a seal on him without anyone's knowledge.
Link didn't work.
It wasn't cut off, as you can plainly see. Count the number of suction cups in both panels. As for the rest...uh, yay for him?
Originally posted by socool8520
Yeah, he caught one by surprise that was trying to attack Naruto, and the effectively handled the only one that was focused on him. I'm not down playing anything, that's what happened.
How strong do you have to be to hurl two Bijuu? Exactly. It doesn't matter how distracted the Sanbi was, it doesn't invalidate a good feat. Gamabunta is going to weigh less than both, more likely than not.
Originally posted by socool8520
Gamabunta was able to restrain Shukaku long enough for Naruto to eke out the win. That's far from nothing. I'm not saying the summons>Eight Tails. Simply saying they could be useful, especially to someone as intelligent as Minato.
He needed Naruto to do that and considering Shukaku has a weak point, unlike Gyuuki, it's still relatively unimpressive. And I'm saying they wouldn't be because he can punch them out with ease.
Originally posted by socool8520
I thought you were referring to the dual stabbing each other thing personally. This instance further proves my point. Yeah, he stopped Minato from destroying A, but what did he do to Minato who was not even looking at him? Oh yeah, nothing. It actually worked against him to be honest. It gave Minato the chance to injure him and also stick a seal on him. Not sure if that's how a surprise attack is supposed to go.
Bee was more concerned with protecting his brother than hurting Minato. The point wasn't that it was a surprise attack, the point is that it proves Minato is susceptible to surprise, allowing us to conclude that yes, a surprise attack is clearly a viable tactice to use on Minato. And it proved that Minato's techniques really aren't that hard to see through, as we can see.
Originally posted by socool8520
Being stronger than A matters very little when Bee still slower than A, and thus no better off then the first time they both fought Minato.
Nowadays Bee leaps around in upredictable patterns covered in lightning blades, though. I mean, come at him in any direction and there's a sword there. A lot more dangerous than the old days.
Minato vs A and B was a tough thing back in the day.
Minato has shown he is able to handle a beast ball, something only a Jinchurikii on the level of Naruto has been able to do.
Nothing about Bee's current strength says that he can defeat Minato at all.
Mind you, ratings are general usefulness.
If you can kill me 8/10, but I can blow up armies better than you, your rating won't necessarily be higher.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
A is physically much stronger than Minato.
Incorrect. Minato made a much larger crater/area damage attack against Tobi than A did with his level 2 amp against a Susano'o toting Sasuke.
At worst, Minato is around A in strength when A is in his second stage of amping. At best, Minato is significantly stronger than A. This should come as no surprise as Minato could quite possibly have the chakra control required to amp his strength a la Tsunade. That's the only explanation I have for why Minato is so strong.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Don't ever recall Kurama deflecting blasts but no, Gyuuki probably can't do that. Keep in mind, Bee can make several clones from inside the Ox to fight Minato on the ground for a distraction. And the Toads are fairly useless lol.
So cute: "Gyuki". 😄
Sorry, can't get over some things.
Also, you're forgetting that a half powered Kurama is equal to all other 8 tailed beasts, combined. HALF POWERED! Minato fought against that version of Kurama. He did okay, considering.
Other than that, I think socool did fairly well making his arguments. Okay, I'll almost butt out.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You seem to be not getting it. Gyuuki doesn't need to bother defending against Minato at all, who can barely nick the guy.
Have to chime in: I think you're trolling the new guy. There's no way you can say Minato "barely nicks" the Hachibi/Gyuki. Minato easily sliced through it like it was butter.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You seem under the impression that Minato is unable to be surprised. This is wrong, as his exchange with Bee in the past showed.
I fairly definitively destroyed any hope/reason that that was actually a "surprise". That wasn't a surprise. That was Minato trying to get A to calm down by holding his lil' bro hostage. Minato fell into the trap of dialoguing.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He did not chop it off all the way
He did. I destroyed this argument of yours, too.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You can't really call the plot induced stupidity without seeming like a total fanboy dude, I'm sorry to say that.
No, socool is right. It would be anti-Minato-ism to say it wasn't CIS. The chapter clearly shows B grab his sword and move it into position against Minato's gut.
Originally posted by Q99
If you can kill me 8/10, but I can blow up armies better than you, your rating won't necessarily be higher.
Blowing up a platoon with a blast that takes a while to build up and shoot vs. killing an entire platoon in a flash do not seem equal.
Additionally, the man-power cost to create a perfect host like B is definitely not worth it compared to getting one Minato. However, a Minato is a very rare genius type that is strong/powerful among all known generations...so that's not a fair comparison.
But, yes, I would take one Minato over one Gyuki any day. The versatility of that type of ninja is much greater than a loud, cumbersome, large, lumbering, tailed beast.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You are aware that the crater was when he was using Rasengan, right?
And at no point does any rasengan create such a crater...ever.
So we can illogically conclude it was the rasengan used or logically conclude it was the force of the thrust (yes, homo) that caused the crater/area damage. The rasengan's power would have damaged Tobi, not the ground. Minato's strength would cause the damage. Tobi WAS damaged by the Rasengan, by the way, so the rasengan's damage was accounted for. 🙂
Edit - And did you see my reply to you, yesterday? 😄
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
In other words, dun lie.And you spelled butt wrong, buttface. uhuh
I did not. You shouldn't be so antsy to reply. Wait until one is done editing their post before responding. I say give it about 9 minutes before replying to a post.
Oh, I forgot one of these: doped
Originally posted by dadudemon
And at no point does any rasengan create such a crater...ever.So we can illogically conclude it was the rasengan used or logically conclude it was the force of the thrust (yes, homo) that caused the crater/area damage. The rasengan's power would have damaged Tobi, not the ground. Minato's strength would cause the damage. Tobi WAS damaged by the Rasengan, by the way, so the rasengan's damage was accounted for. 🙂
Edit - And did you see my reply to you, yesterday? 😄
Has anyone else ever used a Rasengan in a downward thrust?
And no, I didn't.
Oh and btw:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v31/c277/6.html
Eat me.
Also, please don't use "Minato's is bigger nuh uh" as proof for it being due to physical strength. Just... Don't.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v47/c434/2.html
MOAR RASENGAN CRATERS YAY.
Blowing up a platoon with a blast that takes a while to build up and shoot vs. killing an entire platoon in a flash do not seem equal.
A biju ball can blow up way more than a platoon though. It can blow up *mountains*. It can blow up barriers maintained by strong ninja. And so on.
Also 8-tail's spin attack could take out a platoon in a flash too ^^