Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Everything leads to a Konan argument.EVERYTHING.
Nah.
I am giving Konan props by stating that she was the biggest threat to Naruto when they had their talking showdown in the paper tree. That's the exact opposite of an argument. We are discussing WTF Naruto could possibly do to Konan with all of his techs...because Konan can wrap up anyone that doesn't have strong fire, oil, lava, stone (earth), wood, or broad wind techs. I see anyone A and below having a difficult time staying alive against Konan because her paper can smother and kill anyone not fast enough to get out of the way or defend against it. That's why Konan is such a strong assassin, imo.
But against an opponent that went toe-to-toe with Nagato? Konan obviously knows that Nagato vastly outclasses her. But when Naruto came knocking on the paper tree, she was his biggest threat: not Nagato.
Originally posted by socool8520
First point....I agree. Come on. With the potential mei has, Kishi is gonna troll her with some fir justu? Really. Kishi must really not like her to let her be trolled like this.as for the Tobirama issue, I would say it is alot easier to control two people compared to dozens, as well as Madara> Tobirama so more means to resist for Madara.
Still hoping ALL of the Kage rise to the occasion.
Tobirama was entirely under Orochimaru's control right? Madara seemed to have full autonomy by the end of the Edo Tensei.
I hope this means Mu joins the Kage party.
Originally posted by Q99
Eh, this one's not much of an argument.If Dadudemon responds with, "I don't think a forged steel sword could pierce Sage Naruto either," I don't think there's anywhere to go from there.
That would be ridiculous since he was impaled with chakra receivers when in SM wasn't he?
Originally posted by Bentley
Tobirama was entirely under Orochimaru's control right? Madara seemed to have full autonomy by the end of the Edo Tensei.I hope this means Mu joins the Kage party.
Tobirama did express his unwillingness to fight Hiruzen, but he still fought him, so he was under great enough control. Kabuto left Madara's personality intact in order for him to do more damage I guess.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah.I am giving Konan props by stating that she was the biggest threat to Naruto when they had their talking showdown in the paper tree. That's the exact opposite of an argument. We are discussing WTF Naruto could possibly do to Konan with all of his techs...because Konan can wrap up anyone that doesn't have strong fire, oil, lava, stone (earth), wood, or broad wind techs. I see anyone A and below having a difficult time staying alive against Konan because her paper can smother and kill anyone not fast enough to get out of the way or defend against it. That's why Konan is such a strong assassin, imo.
But against an opponent that went toe-to-toe with Nagato? Konan obviously knows that Nagato vastly outclasses her. But when Naruto came knocking on the paper tree, she was his biggest threat: not Nagato.
Can't his outward nature energy keep paper from smothering him? He is able to project nature energy from his body. That's how he punched that path without actually touching him. Then all he has to do is hit her with a rasenshuriken, which I would think would destroy her paper defense.
Originally posted by socool8520
That would be ridiculous since he was impaled with chakra receivers when in SM wasn't he?
Forgot about that. Yea, guess a good blade can do damage.
Originally posted by socool8520
Can't his outward nature energy keep paper from smothering him? He is able to project nature energy from his body. That's how he punched that path without actually touching him. Then all he has to do is hit her with a rasenshuriken, which I would think would destroy her paper defense.
Here's the thing- other than the punch, it doesn't seem to keep things from touching him. Like when he fell on the rocks, they broke on his skin, not several inches out.
So I'm not sure how that works. Maybe it's something he can do on purpose.
Originally posted by Q99
Forgot about that. Yea, guess a good blade can do damage.Here's the thing- other than the punch, it doesn't seem to keep things from touching him. Like when he fell on the rocks, they broke on his skin, not several inches out.
So I'm not sure how that works. Maybe it's something he can do on purpose.
I think it is something he has to do himself. Kinda like Hinata and Neji. It's also probably a SM drainer. But in theory, it could work. At least long enough for a counter attack. he could have a couple clones create a rasenshuriken to destroy her. The wind elements should rip her to shreds.
Originally posted by socool8520
I think it is something he has to do himself. Kinda like Hinata and Neji. It's also probably a SM drainer. But in theory, it could work. At least long enough for a counter attack. he could have a couple clones create a rasenshuriken to destroy her. The wind elements should rip her to shreds.
Makes sense.
Hm, seems like her only counter moves would be either scattering to minimize paper loss, or having some paper clones to draw out the rasenshuriken.
Well, well, well, Queer99. Looks like even Madara has infinite chakra. And he also has Senju blood so he can use Izanagi, I suppose he really is omnipotent after all.
Maybe you would've been aware of this fact earlier if you weren't so narrow minded.
He has infinite chakra because he has an Edo body.
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/76157510/23
"They can break the Edo Tensei covenant themselves. There isn't any worse outcome than that. An immortal body... Limitless chakra... And a body that can move around uncontrolled."
Notice that his choice of words are not specific, merely general concerning the Edo Tensei. Notice that "limitless chakra" is sandwiched between "immortal body" and "a body that can move around uncontrolled", the first being specific only to an Edo zombie, the third being something that would be completely unremarkable by itself, since any living person can do that. Point is that both are referring to the capabilities of an Edo body. Are you going to claim that "limitless chakra" refers to him and him alone? Well yes, you already have, but you would be disregarding any semblance of intelligence or logic in doing so.
You shouldn't sleep through English.
Also, really? Attacking Q99 unprovoked? I'm not normally one for white-knighting, but really, Q99 is one of the more polite and nicer posters here, so you can't even make a claim that you are doing it because Q99 is generally an assblaster (Like you could were it, say, me you insulted). Doing that is guaranteed to get you banned pretty quickly.
Originally posted by NemeBro
He has infinite chakra because he has an Edo body.
Q99 said that it was impossible to achieve infinite chakra (without evidence of course) and that was his argument for that why Izanagi wasn't the same as omnipotence even though the manga proves that it is.
And Q99 is flames all the ****ing time.
Originally posted by NemeBro
And no, Izanagi isn't the same as omnipotence. It's reality creation at its best, but not omnipotence.
Let's see. I imagine fiftyeleven omniverses each with infinitely many omnipotents drawing square circles.
Can this feat be achieved without omnipotence? If not. Madara is omnipotent. End of discussion.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Izanagi can't do anything imaginable, don't be stupid.
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Concession accepted.
Originally posted by NemeBro And your example has never actually been achieved in the manga.
Originally posted by NemeBro I find it hard to believe that you are so dim as to believe what you type. [/B]
Originally posted by NemeBro
"Turning imagination into reality" =/= "Doing anything imaginable".
Let me put it this way so someone of your intellect can comprehend.
Madara imagines fiftyeleven omniverses with full with infinite omnipotents drawing square circles. He then uses Izanagi. What happens?
Originally posted by NemeBro PIS? For it to be PIS, we would have to see Izanagi be capable of what you say. We haven't. Therefore it isn't PIS.
Originally posted by NemeBro You couldn't win a debate with a pile of dogshit. [/B]
