The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Acronyms are where it's at homie. Learn to keep up.

No need: people should learn to not be so lazy. I missed nothing: you two simply are using undefined acronyms.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Oh, and FAPS = Final Advent Perfect Susano'o. People keep thinking Uchiha get wanked, so yeah. http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/588/16

Use another source: that doesn't work for most people in the US.

But every other source does not show "Final Advent Perfect Susano'o": that's just some shit the fans made up. It is, at best, just FS: Final Susano'o. I find no other source that even mentions "advent perfect".

Originally posted by dadudemon
No need: people should learn to not be so lazy. I missed nothing: you two simply are using undefined acronyms.

Use another source: that doesn't work for most people in the US.

But every other source does not show "Final Advent Perfect Susano'o": that's just some shit the fans made up. It is, at best, just FS: Final Susano'o. I find no other source that even mentions "advent perfect".

At best, it is Susano'o.
No source shows Final Advent Perfect Susano'o. Much like no source shows Kyuubi Naruto 4/6, or Full Power Kurama.

Pointless acronyms exist. Deal with it.

@DP: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c571/3.html They were already at Mounting busting though.

And thoughts on Kurama regenerating his other half of his power? The amount that he's above Hachibi is large enough that it would be unlikely that it could be with only half his power.

Originally posted by BloodRain
@DP: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c571/3.html They were already at Mounting busting though.

And thoughts on Kurama regenerating his other half of his power? The amount that he's above Hachibi is large enough that it would be unlikely that it could be with only half his power.

Never said otherwise.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The Kyuubi is still just chakra given physical form & sentience though, and I don't think it has a soul like human ninjas do. Its chakra was what got sealed, and since it is just chakra, this is why it shrank.
We already know that if the Kyuubi dies within its host, it will regenerate and revive after a few years.

Previously, it used to be the same size as the other Bijuu (as shown when they kawaii bijuu-lings). I don't think it hit a huge growth spurt and grew to twice the size of the other Bijuus.
If it shrank it should be smaller than the other Bijuu. Yet it was the same size when Naruto & Kurama melded their chakra and transformed.
Either Kurama has recovered some of that lost chakra back, or Naruto himself at that point in time had as much chakra as Kurama currently does i.e. both have half of what Kurama originally had.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just speculating.

Answering me before I asked. Touché.

I see you finally changed your avatar. estahuh
Wait, did you even have an avatar?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
At best, it is Susano'o.
No source shows Final Advent Perfect Susano'o. Much like no source shows Kyuubi Naruto 4/6, or Full Power Kurama.

Pointless acronyms exist. Deal with it.

What? I have never heard "Kyuubi Naruto 4/6"?

Final Advent Perfect Susano'o is an official title. This is different than saying "Full powered kurama". Shortening "Full powered kurama" to "FPK" is an initialism. Passing off fan-fic titles (that's what it amounts to) like FAPS as something 'real', is not a proper parallel to FPK. Also, I do not believe I have ever stated "FPK". Maybe FP Kyubi/Kurama, but not FPK.

And FAPS is not a pointless initialism: it has a point. But beyond fanfic titles, it is not legit.

Don't we use acronyms for everything here?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I see you finally changed your avatar. estahuh
Wait, did you even have an avatar?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Who knows how long he could keep it on for, but he could sustain it long enough for him to decimate nearly every single opponent he fought, and to change the landscape.
Based on the kind of area damage a single sword slash does, I doubt speedsters could dodge it. Only Minato could, with FTG.

We don't know that. We are merely going off the chakra stores he has now. that is unwise considering his chakra never goes empty. not the same with base Madara. FAPS has to drain chakra to a ridiculous degree considering how draining it is for regular susano'o. Sasuke was worn out from battles that weren't very quick iirc.

The Kages assume Madara had FAPS before he died, and that Hashirama fought against it. Madara does not deny it. Ergo, Hashirama fought against it. Madara even implies that Hashirama is capable of the same destruction that Bijuu and FAPS are capable of.

Just because he didn't deny it doesn't make it so. Madara also said that FAPS has killed everyone who has seen it, and yet Hash survived the fight. Somebody is wrong. Nobody debates that Hash has mountain busting power. That's not even that big of a deal anymore. Several people do.

There's no way in hell Minato is porting something of this

Did he not make a seal in the air to teleport a beast ball? Why could he not do that with other attacks?

Okay, I found a site I could pull manga up on at work, and he technically did have a knife in his hand when he teleported the beast ball away, however, he did not need to throw it so I don't see what difference it makes. he always has one on him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
What? I have never heard "Kyuubi Naruto 4/6"?

[b]Final Advent Perfect Susano'o is an official title. This is different than saying "Full powered kurama". Shortening "Full powered kurama" to "FPK" is an initialism. Passing off fan-fic titles (that's what it amounts to) like FAPS as something 'real', is not a proper parallel to FPK. Also, I do not believe I have ever stated "FPK". Maybe FP Kyubi/Kurama, but not FPK.

And FAPS is not a pointless initialism: it has a point. But beyond fanfic titles, it is not legit. [/B]

KN4 is the acronym commonly used for Naruto's 4 tailed form.
Don't kid yourself. FP Kurama is a 'fan-fic title'.
Again, deal with it. I'm not going to bother humouring one of your pet peeves.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Don't we use acronyms for everything here?

3rd one brah. And had to, was testing Neme's when he was asking and forgot where I saved my avi <__<

Why would you test an avi for that gai?

Originally posted by socool8520
We don't know that. We are merely going off the chakra stores he has now. that is unwise considering his chakra never goes empty. not the same with base Madara. FAPS has to drain chakra to a ridiculous degree considering how draining it is for regular susano'o. Sasuke was worn out from battles that weren't very quick iirc.

Someone like Sasuke is capable of sustaining his Susano'o for quite some time. Madara is supposed to be the best Uchiha, and Uchiha have exceptionally powerful chakras.

Originally posted by socool8520
Just because he didn't deny it doesn't make it so. Madara also said that FAPS has killed everyone who has seen it, and yet Hash survived the fight. Somebody is wrong. Nobody debates that Hash has mountain busting power. That's not even that big of a deal anymore. Several people do.

Except he does more than that. He outright states that maps would be redrawn drastically if he and Hashirama fought, and less so if it were only him. With the exception of the Kyuubi (which Hashirama stole) and FAPS, Madara does not possess anything else with that kind of destruction.
Madara does not say that everyone who sees Susano'o dies. He says "It is said that whoever sees Susano'o dies." That's different, and something akin to a fairy tale.

Mountain-scale devastation is still only seen in Bijuu/Jinchuurikii, Hashirama, Madara, and Nagato with Chibaku Tensei. That's about it iirc. What Sasuke did with Kirin is not Mountain-scale.

Originally posted by socool8520
Did he not make a seal in the air to teleport a beast ball? Why could he not do that with other attacks?

The seal appeared in front of him, not somewhere far above him.

Teleporting large things require a lot of chakra from Minato. If he cannot port Kurama, what makes you think he can port something far more massive?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Someone like Sasuke is capable of sustaining his Susano'o for quite some time. Madara is supposed to be the best Uchiha, and Uchiha have exceptionally powerful chakras.

He was notably exhausted after using it, and the was normal susano'o. And the Uchiha's are not known to have chakra stores on the level of the Uzamakis or Senjus iirc.

Except he does more than that. He outright states that maps would be redrawn drastically if he and Hashirama fought, and less so if it were only him. With the exception of the Kyuubi (which Hashirama stole) and FAPS, Madara does not possess anything else with that kind of destruction.
Madara does not say that everyone who sees Susano'o dies. He says "It is said that whoever sees Susano'o dies." That's different, and something akin to a fairy tale.

Mountain-scale devastation is still only seen in Bijuu/Jinchuurikii, Hashirama, Madara, and Nagato with Chibaku Tensei. That's about it iirc. What Sasuke did with Kirin is not Mountain-scale.

The map could be redrawn right now where they are at currently if it wasn't a desert lol. It's funny that Madara saying that is a fairy tale, but the kages assumption is golden. Didn't Naruto's rasenshuriken split a mountain?

The seal appeared in front of him, not somewhere far above him.

Teleporting large things require a lot of chakra from Minato. If he cannot port Kurama, what makes you think he can port something far more massive?

Yeah, I re-read. However, he doesn't have to throw the knife and even if he does, the size of the seal seems to match the size of the object he is porting. Oh, and he did port Kurama

Originally posted by socool8520
I don't understand why Hash is up there with rinnegan + wood Madara. He only defeated Madara less those two things. And he definitely isn't beating him with the ET body unless he has help. I think there should be a separation of EMS Madara and current Madara. There is no way they are that close in power.

Normal Madara is in SS as well.

Madara getting those things increased his versatility but it didn't really put him in a new level of raw power.

Think of it this way. Hashi and Madara are normally low/mid SS, and Madara + Rinnegan/Wood is high SS.

At least that's how people voted.

The difference between each step in the SSs is pretty significant.

Originally posted by Q99
Normal Madara is in SS as well.

Madara getting those things increased his versatility but it didn't really put him in a new level of raw power.

Think of it this way. Hashi and Madara are normally low/mid SS, and Madara + Rinnegan/Wood is high SS.

At least that's how people voted.

The difference between each step in the SSs is pretty significant.

Rinnegan + Wood style (or better yet, Senju DNA) made him more powerful in terms of versatility and power. I mean are we gonna wank this guy so much as to say everything he has done up to this point besides absorbing the rasenshuriken and Mokuton are normal for him? I really doubt he is shitting out those attacks as much as he was if not for ET. I honestly believe that current Madara should be on another level than non ET Madara. Hash should maybe be up there, but at this point, I thik he would lose to current Madara one on one as well. I basically see base Madara being Itachi with a better susano'o

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
KN4 is the acronym commonly used for Naruto's 4 tailed form.

Oh, I get that much. But why the need to isolate the meaning into non-descriptive titles such as initialisms? It is not even short hand. The point of the "what?" is to demonstrate the convolution of the initialisms.

KCM? "Kyubi Chakra Mode." Now it's "Kurama chakra mode".

But if you'll notice, I always type out "Kyubi chakra mode" in my post, first, and then use KCM throughout the rest of it. Why? Because that's proper writing style to avoid ambiguity and convolution with initialistic clutter.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Don't kid yourself. FP Kurama is a 'fan-fic title'.

Incorrect: I put emphasis on the titular version "FAPS" versus a descriptive, unofficial version (that's what the bold was for in my post). "FP Kurama" is not a title: the "full" and the "power" are both in lowercase. FAPS is not: it is proper name title.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Again, deal with it. I'm not going to bother humouring one of your pet peeves.

It is not a peeve. I was pointing out the unnecessariness of some of your titles/initialisms (and the other dude's). It does not further discussion but instead, convolutes it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, I get that much. But why the need to isolate the meaning into non-descriptive titles such as initialisms? It is not even short hand. The point of the "what?" is to demonstrate the convolution of the initialisms.

KCM? "Kyubi Chakra Mode." Now it's "Kurama chakra mode".

But if you'll notice, I always type out "Kyubi chakra mode" in my post, first, and then use KCM throughout the rest of it. Why? Because that's proper writing style to avoid ambiguity and convolution with initialistic clutter.

Incorrect: I put emphasis on the titular version "FAPS" versus a descriptive, unofficial version (that's what the bold was for in my post). "FP Kurama" is not a title: the "full" and the "power" are both in lowercase. FAPS is not: it is proper name title.

It is not a peeve. I was pointing out the unnecessariness of some of your titles/initialisms (and the other dude's). It does not further discussion but instead, convolutes it.

In was under the impression most people knew what they were. The FAPS thing was covered like the day we found out that Madara had it. I believe Demonic Phoenix coined it. And I always shorten people's names.

Originally posted by socool8520
Rinnegan + Wood style (or better yet, Senju DNA) made him more powerful in terms of versatility and power. I mean are we gonna wank this guy so much as to say everything he has done up to this point besides absorbing the rasenshuriken and Mokuton are normal for him? I really doubt he is shitting out those attacks as much as he was if not for ET. I honestly believe that current Madara should be on another level than non ET Madara. Hash should maybe be up there, but at this point, I thik he would lose to current Madara one on one as well. I basically see base Madara being Itachi with a better susano'o

The thing is, his best move is still probably his Perfect Susano'o.

He is more powerful with his additional abilities to be sure and would beat either Hashirama or his sharingan-only form... but it'd still be quite a fight, and the scale of the combat is roughly the same.

Every rank represents a range of powers. Consider also the mid-S ninja- Jiraiya is fairly noticeably above quite a few ninja in there, but it's just not enough to get to S+ (again, as voted here).

And while boosted Madara is great, do you think he deserves to be on a different level than Tobi w/ his six biju paths, or Naruto in full partnership with Kurama?

He does have kind of a point though. Madara's new stuff is quite helpful and imo opinion would bump him up once.

The problem is, Hashirama and Madara are still above Nagato and Kyuubi but probably below Tobi and Naruto. I suppose they're closer to the latter to but eh, it's confusing.

Yea. He's not exactly wrong, but the strongest people aren't so much stronger than the SS-s to warrant SS+, I don't think.

Hashi and Mada seem to be pretty borderline between SS- and SS.

They will be in whichever category more people want them in.

Personally I lean SS.

Well the only thing I can think to do is bump Madara with Rinnegan+Mokuton up into the SS+ class. I mean, I do think Naruto and Tobi would present him with a challenge but he'd win against them. And when you think about it, we DID have him in SS before we knew about the whole Mountain Busting thing from before. Sure the Mokuton doesn't increase his power output above Mountain busting but it still gives him quite a bit of variety. That's not even taking into consideration that he has access to all of the Rinnegan's moves.

The current Madara, as it stands, is a mountain buster with more variety than anyone else in the manga really. I think that's enough for SS+, even though I do dislike the idea of taking him out of the same tier as Tobi and Naruto. But things have changed and it's become pretty clear that he is certainly above them.

And hey, SSS is the top right? 😛