Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well the only thing I can think to do is bump Madara with Rinnegan+Mokuton up into the SS+ class. I mean, I do think Naruto and Tobi would present him with a challenge but he'd win against them. And when you think about it, we DID have him in SS before we knew about the whole Mountain Busting thing from before. Sure the Mokuton doesn't increase his power output above Mountain busting but it still gives him quite a bit of variety. That's not even taking into consideration that he has access to all of the Rinnegan's moves.The current Madara, as it stands, is a mountain buster with more variety than anyone else in the manga really. I think that's enough for SS+, even though I do dislike the idea of taking him out of the same tier as Tobi and Naruto. But things have changed and it's become pretty clear that he is certainly above them.
And hey, SSS is the top right? 😛
At this point I would have to agree. Madara is the strongest person in the manga with these added abilities. I'm sure naruto will pull something else out that will put him up there, but for now, Madara is the pinnacle of power. He is basically Hash+Madara. It doesn't even matter that he does not have Hashirama's regen since he has ET body. I really think he is a tier above the rest as much as it pains me to admit an Uchiha is no. 1.
Originally posted by Q99
The top is when we run out of stronger people 🙂I'm hesitant to go into SS+. What do others think?
The manga is not running much longer. I'm sure there won't be too many more surprise people stronger than have already been shown. The only thing I see is Sasuke and Naruto boosting towards the later chapters to be up there with Madara maybe.
To be honest, Madara without his ET and Mokuton nonsense being in the same tier as with is a bit silly IMO.
Madara is clearly the strongest character in the series as an ET zombie, having chakra that won't expire, possessing at least two Biju-lite abilities (Mokuton and Final Susano'o) rather than just the one, as well as all of the versatility of the Rinnegan.
SS+.
I don't see Hashirama being above Madara either. Especially since he has Hashirama's power, as well as the Rinnegan. Then again Hashirama defeated both Madara and the Kyūbi, and that was before the Kyūbi's powers were sealed away.
Either way, Hiruzen should be above them both. At the very least tie with current Madara.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Hiruzen could barely beat back the Kyuubi with a small army behind him.Hey I'm just saying.
But Hiruzen still managed to take out Hashirama and Tobirama in their prime boosted by the benefits of Edo Tensei, and there was no rock-paper-scissors tactics there. Just Hiruzen, decrepit by age, proving why he's known as the strongest Hokage who've ever lived.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
What a jerk.
He goes to Spacebattles.com sometimes as well.
I may steal a few of their threads. My interest is piqued.
Originally posted by Astner
On top of that the wood-element suppresses the Kyūbi's power.
Assuming that Madara would just stand there and let him.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yes he was.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Assuming that Madara would just stand there and let him.
Originally posted by socool8520
He was notably exhausted after using it, and the was normal susano'o. And the Uchiha's are not known to have chakra stores on the level of the Uzamakis or Senjus iirc.
Susano'o was not all he had used, and even then, he could still continue using it for a couple more minutes. Same deal applies to Madara. He doesn't need an hour to decimate his opponent with Susano'o.
They don't have Uzumaki/Senju level stamina, but they aren't known to have low-ass levels of chakra either. Well, except for Itachi, though he was sick for most of the manga.
Originally posted by socool8520
The map could be redrawn right now where they are at currently if it wasn't a desert lol. It's funny that Madara saying that is a fairy tale, but the kages assumption is golden. Didn't Naruto's rasenshuriken split a mountain?
I say it is more like a fairy tale as it was something other people, not Madara himself, used to say about Susano'o. If Madara were concerned with keeping true to that legend, then he would have brought out Susano'o again.
Originally posted by socool8520
Yeah, I re-read. However, he doesn't have to throw the knife and even if he does, the size of the seal seems to match the size of the object he is porting. Oh, and he did port Kurama
He ported Kurama with Gamabunta's chakra. Deva Path's Chibaku Tensei was larger than Kurama.
Originally posted by socool8520
In was under the impression most people knew what they were. The FAPS thing was covered like the day we found out that Madara had it. I believe Demonic Phoenix coined it. And I always shorten people's names.
Technically, it was BloodRain. I called it Final Advent Perfect Susano'o, and he shortened it to FAPS.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Where's the "Haku is faster than the speed of light" guy? I'd rather discuss that than remember how Kishi screwed up the powerscaling around Hiruzen again.
Haku isn't faster than light you twit. uhuh
He's as fast as Kirin, a Mach 900 Lightspeed attack. awesome
Originally posted by Q99
The top is when we run out of stronger people 🙂I'm hesitant to go into SS+. What do others think?
Even if both regular Madara and Edo Tensei Madara have the same destructive capacity via Susano'o, versatility matters here, as Edo Tensei Madara has it in spades. He has access to 7 elemental releases, and can copy any jutsu he sees that is not a Kekkei Genkai. He could use all of the Rinnegan's moves, which by itself made Nagato an SS- ninja. Then he can regenerate from most attacks that cause damage, will never run out of chakra, and if Kurama were available, he could summon him for some time.
On the other hand, he isn't in a completely different league to Tobi with his Paths, who has a greater destructive capacity.
Someone should check this out. Top of the page. We need to know if its legit.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Someone should check this out. Top of the page. We need to know if its legit.
I say its legit.