There is no reason to wait. Based purely on showings, I see no reason Madara would have that hard a time catching Naruto. Current Madara is the strongest character in the manga, barring the Sage's feats. If he is in SS without all of his nifty new powerups, there is no reason to leave him in the same tier with them.
Vote's currently at 4-3.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
No I don't mean to say I'm in favor of moving them now. I'm saying it looks like Naruto/Tobi will get another power up(Bijuu Chakra/Juubi), so I'm content leaving them where they are right now until then. Madara is the only SS+ for now. At least, that's how I see it. I just think it won't be too long until Naruto and Tobi get in there too(with any luck). 😛
Ah, yea, I can see that.
Maybe this'll help make some minds up:
I'm more surprised that Deidera doesn't look like a chick in that pic more than anything. That makes me wonder exactly why Sasori chose to have a wooden puppet body. Couldn't he had made it out of a stronger material like steel or something?
Oh and I think Current Madara is SS+ as well. Unless Hashirama could still beat him: I honestly think Madara was just man-crushing when he said that.
Originally posted by Astner
Hashirama still took on Madara as well as the Kyūbi back in the day, and that was before the Kyūbi's chakra was halved. And that's not accounting for the immense healing abilities surpassing even Tsunade's.There's no point in not waiting with an update.
He can control kyuubi. How did he take him on? Nothing ever states that he actually had to fight Kurama. Same with Madara. No one, except for Minato, actually had to "fight" a full powered Kurama. Controlling and fighting are two different things.
Originally posted by socool8520
He can control kyuubi. How did he take him on? Nothing ever states that he actually had to fight Kurama. Same with Madara. No one, except for Minato, actually had to "fight" a full powered Kurama. Controlling and fighting are two different things.
Good point.
We do actually know that Hashirama "wrestled" control away from Madara for Kurama. We do not know if that was immediate or it that occurred well into their battle. That video game cutscene, however, indicates it was quite a lengthy battle before Hashirama got control.
However, what we do know: Hashirama's control over the tailed beasts is greater than Madara's Sharingan's ability to control Kurama. For me, it stands to reason that Hashirama would have gotten control rather quickly.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Good point.We do actually know that Hashirama "wrestled" control away from Madara for Kurama. We do not know if that was immediate or it that occurred well into their battle. That video game cutscene, however, indicates it was quite a lengthy battle before Hashirama got control.
However, what we do know: Hashirama's control over the tailed beasts is greater than Madara's Sharingan's ability to control Kurama. For me, it stands to reason that Hashirama would have gotten control rather quickly.
The video game cut scene can't be considered canon right? if the anime isn't considered to be, then the video game would follow suit. Isn't this the same game that has Sasuke's Susano'o slapping Rasenshurikens away like they are nothing?
I would think that Kurama was the biggest obstacle for Hashirama, and that he would want to subdue it as quick as possible. I also agree that Hash's control over bijuu's is greater than Madara's.
Originally posted by socool8520
The video game cut scene can't be considered canon right?
Correct, but it does not mean it is automatically wrong, as well. In fact, it is the only representation of the actual fight that we have thus far. And Kishimoto is not completely cutoff from influence on those games.
Originally posted by socool8520
I would think that Kurama was the biggest obstacle for Hashirama, and that he would want to subdue it as quick as possible. I also agree that Hash's control over bijuu's is greater than Madara's.
I think Madara would be the biggest obstacle.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Correct, but it does not mean it is automatically wrong, as well. In fact, it is the only representation of the actual fight that we have thus far. And Kishimoto is not completely cutoff from influence on those games.I think Madara would be the biggest obstacle.
He isn't cut off from the anime either but it still doesn't count.
Okay, Madara maybe the biggest obstacle, but, Kurama would have been something he could get out of the way without fighting. Plus, I would think that he would want to get rid of Kurama fast so he didn't have to mountain busters to fight the whole time.
Of course, I think a lot of people are forgetting that Madara might not have been trying his hardest to actually win that fight. Tobi, under the guise of Madara, said that he fought that battle merely to gain Hashirama's abilities. This later seems to be the case when Madara has a conversation with Kabuto.
But that's just idle speculation on my part. Really, I think this is one of the key things that makes Naruto's world feel more interesting: Events of the past are often shrouded in mystery. For the longest time, no one really knew about the attack of the Kyuubi. Even now we don't know the full story because according to Itachi, his parents were gone and we didn't see a single Uchiha at the attack. The Massacre and the battle between Madara and Hashirama are other examples.
Really the only incident that isn't very vague from the past was the Hyuuga one. Because let's face it, nobody cares about them.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Of course, I think a lot of people are forgetting that Madara might not have been trying his hardest to actually win that fight. Tobi, under the guise of Madara, said that he fought that battle merely to gain Hashirama's abilities. This later seems to be the case when Madara has a conversation with Kabuto.But that's just idle speculation on my part. Really, I think this is one of the key things that makes Naruto's world feel more interesting: Events of the past are often shrouded in mystery. For the longest time, no one really knew about the attack of the Kyuubi. Even now we don't know the full story because according to Itachi, his parents were gone and we didn't see a single Uchiha at the attack. The Massacre and the battle between Madara and Hashirama are other examples.
Really the only incident that isn't very vague from the past was the Hyuuga one. Because let's face it, nobody cares about them.
First point would make some sense. The only thing that contradicts it is that Madara himself said that Hashirama was stronger than him.
Ah, the Hyugas. For such a prominent family, they really haven't done anything of note. The Uchihas were at least honored enough to be in charge of the police force.
Originally posted by socool8520
Ah, the Hyugas. For such a prominent family, they really haven't done anything of note. The Uchihas were at least honored enough to be in charge of the police force.
They're in most important scouting parties, and Hiashi took out a lot of foes in the Sound/Sand invasion.
Most clans don't seem to get specific roles, the Uchiha probably did because they're one of THE two big clans, along with the Senju. With the Hyuga, you just spread them out among various important units so they can put those eyes to good effect.