The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Gaara, Zabuza, Neji, not really that suprising.

Also w/ Gaara, Zabuza and Neji, Naruto proved himself through combat or other means. For Zabuza it was Haku's death, for Neji and Gaara it was Naruto beating them. Nagato? No they just talked and talked and talked.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That's not a good sign.

Also w/ Gaara, Zabuza and Neji, Naruto proved himself through combat or other means. For Zabuza it was Haku's death, for Neji and Gaara it was Naruto beating them. Nagato? No they just talked and talked and talked.

Originally posted by Kento
He beat Pein also. And after the fight Naruto proved Nagato wrong by not killing him. Or trying to kill him.

do you really think pein could have beaten naruto when naruto managed to beat him without even using his most potent powers? nagato was screwed from the get go none of his abilities could have put naruto down for good.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He beat Pein, but that didn't show anything because the fight could have continued if they hadn't decided to talk instead. Also, Naruto refused to fight a couple chapter ago, but it wasn;t until he took out the book that Nagato changed.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
do you really think pein could have beaten naruto when naruto managed to beat him without even using his most potent powers? nagato was screwed from the get go none of his abilities could have put naruto down for good.

King Kandy,

Naruto defeated Pain fair and square. Naruto could have defeated Pain, with ease, after finding him. Pain said himself that if Jiraiya knew "Pain's" secret, the he would take him out. Naruto did know Pain's secret, had better mastery of sage mode and various other techniques. Naruto could also resist Pain's body control technique at point blank range...apparently a first for Pain. And, no, Pain didn't have hardly anything left in him. That last technique killed him. It wasn't some massive uber technique...it was more like Tsunade's massive slug separating.

Now, the reason Naruto convinced Pain...

Pain had an epiphany. Sure, Pain read the book before. However, the circumstances and what Naruto said caused Nagato to have an epiphany. Naruto's refusal to continue the path of revenge also played a large part in that epiphany. Once Nagato realized that all "pain" could end IF everyone tried to forgive, or at least refuse to take revenge, he realized that that version of peace was a far more righteous path of Peace than forcing peace onto others.

Also, the Konoha village people will have no problem rebuilding. Expansion jutsu can dig mighty lumps. Earth users can mold it. Woody can make all the houses. Kakashi can cut the cheese with chidori. Naruto can build the whole village with his Kage Bunshin no Jutsu.

That Jiraiya statement could have meant anything. Fact is, the latest chapter confirmed that Nagato is master of all the techniques his body used, and many of those techniques such as Chibaku are capable of overwhelming Naruto completely.

And Naruto seemed to have been revitalized by 4th, and could combine fox mode and sade mode which would be even stronger. And I doubt Nagato has much speed..being tied down to that chair and all. And Naruto already knows how to beat the Shinra Tensei. And he wouldn't be able to use Shinra Tensei as he goes to form Chibaku Tensei anyway and he'd have to do it before Naruto gets to him. And Naruto broke out of Chibaku Tensei anyway....

Naruto Eight Tailed broke out of Chibaku Tensei.

He only even reached that level because of what appeared to be Hinata's "death."

He could not do it under normal circumstances, it was a blatant plot device.

He was out of it when he regained control of himself with Nagato wondering how.

Eight Tails broke out of a small Chibaku. Nagato said that he could contain it if he made a bigger one.

As for Naruto escaping it in sage mode, Eight-Tails had already made a hole. Anyhow, how will Naruto "beat shinra tensei"? By making a bunch of clones? Unlikely. He had the ones pre-made when he fought Pein, against Nagato he had none and had no reason to think he could use Shinra Tensei.

Originally posted by King Kandy
WTF is that supposed to mean? What "potent powers" did Naruto not use? He used all the sage chakra he had up, went full 8-tails, and was still trashed. Pein had several powers that could put Naruto down, and actually did on occasion... though Naruto always had some plot-device on hand that let him fight again. But Naruto actually was completely defeated twice.

trashed?

he defeated all of the bodies except for one without suffering any major damage and EASILY broke out of that black holeish thing when he went eight tails. there was nothing pein could have done to suppress the eight-tails. him possibly being able to "make a bigger one" wouldn't matter, considering the ease he did it the first time.

so what are you talking about?

and narutos kyuubi comes out based on his emotions. theres no reason to think that if he was for sure about to die or lose a fight that held such paramount importance he wouldnt transform against his will.

and if you want to talk about plot-devices the only reason naruto morphed back into his regular form was because of a plot-device meaning he'd still be in that form regardless.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
trashed?

he defeated all of the bodies except for one without suffering any major damage and EASILY broke out of that black holeish thing when he went eight tails. there was nothing pein could have done to suppress the eight-tails. him possibly being able to "make a bigger one" wouldn't matter.

so what are you talking about?

he didnt say that would work, he just said he could make a bigger one. its grammar. if i have a small gun a medium gun and a large gun and i shoot a bear with the small gun and it doesnt work and i say"im going to need a bigger gun" that doesnt mean that the next biggest gun is going to work, i might need an even bigger one after that.

i just reread the chapter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/02/

"at this rate ill have to make a bigger one".

nothing about it actually working.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
i just reread the chapter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/02/

"at this rate ill have to make a bigger one".

nothing about it actually working.

just because he thinks something is going to work doesnt mean it wil and even he acknowledges that. he THOUGHT the original chibaku tensei was going to wor and he wasted chakra on that didt he and it didnt work. i wasnt aware pein was an infallible character who knew everything. in FACT he spent half the chapter mentally bitching about how he had no idea naruto was that strong so why should anything he says be taken into account? ive noticed that you have a pattern of trying to demean narutos feats and if you dont like him thats fine but when you trow logic out the window we have a problem.

You should take this discussion to the versus forum.

I hope people are not suggesting that Naruto could have beaten pain in a versus environment because that is just false. Considering that God realm didnt even want to kill naruto during their fight even though he had numerous opportunities as well as theplot devices which helped naruto.