The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Kento
Yes, because working with a criminal, killing a clan, and taking their eyes to get extreme amount of power is so very good. And ordering the death of Anko, who is totally innocent in everything, and is one of his own since he was Hokage at the time, just because Kabuto may know he worked with Oro is really in the best interest of anything but Danzo. And Sai not trusting him, and Danzo forcing all of Root to keep his secret is really in the best interest of Konoha. The only thing remotely probable that was done for the best of Konoha was kill the Uchiha. And even then I seriously doubt he did it for the best of Konoha when he implanted all their eyes on his arm. Or making deals behind Saru's back with the Rain Village. Such great Konoha good there.

you cant really talk about morality in the same way though when thinking about naruto. i mean, none of the supposedly "responsible adults" have any problem with allowing ten year olds to fight each other to the death and wield weapons...

in naruto espionage and lying and manipulation is just apart of the job... i mean even if you look at the history within the show, "good people" tend to get screwed. the 3rd showed compassion toward orochimaru, and in the end oro killed him and got many other people killed as well in the war. narutos "goodness" is what allowed to sasuke to join orochimaru and become what he is now... so you cant act like the way of compassion and kindness is a better way to rule... at least not in naruto. i mean, look at how nobody ever messes with kumogakure. thats because the raikage is a badass mothe****er and he doesnt waste his time with morals... he does what has to be done.

am i the only one who thinks sasuke is becoming more evil because of his eyes. he didnt start becomin more evil because he killed itachi its because of his new ability it turned his soul black.

Itachi was the light and sasuke was the dark. thats why i see sasuke is goin to eventually get itachis eyes. cuz for madara he was dyin and his eyes were goin bad so he was in the dark and his brother was fine. so he took his brothers eyes and made himself better.

Originally posted by zslick
am i the only one who thinks sasuke is becoming more evil because of his eyes. he didnt start becomin more evil because he killed itachi its because of his new ability it turned his soul black.

Hm, while I doubt the eyes are *solely* responsible, there's a lot of other reason in there, there has been talk about how dark a technique the sharigan really is. It probably didn't help at the least.

Ms.Marvel

you cant really talk about morality in the same way though when thinking about naruto. i mean, none of the supposedly "responsible adults" have any problem with allowing ten year olds to fight each other to the death and wield weapons...

Well, I think Jiraiya did, and I think others recognize it. But that's a major plot point: The ninja world is flat-out messed up. It's full of poison spread throughout it, it is not at all a good thing despite the efforts of some who try and make it better.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He was "stripped of that title" by Raikage, who had absolutely no authority whatsoever to actually govern who has the title. Legally that meant nothing, and Sauske still killed the official head of state. Even then, Sasuke would have still killed a high-ranking member of the Konoha government... So no, that is not something he should be getting away with. Especially when Sasuke is much more corrupt and evil than Danzo was.

That's incorrect. The Major Daimyo is the head of state of the Fire Nation, and it's possible that Danzo controlled him, making it treason, and the death penalty paramount and inevitable.

Unless you're actually carrying out the sentence, killing someone with the death penalty is still a crime.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Unless you're actually carrying out the sentence, killing someone with the death penalty is still a crime.

Doesn't matter as the Ninja are treated much differently than a regular person. They are military and it will be up to the Hokage. As for the Daimyo, he will thank Sasuke up and down for executing the person that made him look like a fool.

Sasuke could very easily claim that he executed Danzo for betraying the village. Without orders is only a very minor repremand by the hokage for a treason or missing nin.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
you cant really talk about morality in the same way though when thinking about naruto. i mean, none of the supposedly "responsible adults" have any problem with allowing ten year olds to fight each other to the death and wield weapons...

in naruto espionage and lying and manipulation is just apart of the job... i mean even if you look at the history within the show, "good people" tend to get screwed. the 3rd showed compassion toward orochimaru, and in the end oro killed him and got many other people killed as well in the war. narutos "goodness" is what allowed to sasuke to join orochimaru and become what he is now... so you cant act like the way of compassion and kindness is a better way to rule... at least not in naruto. i mean, look at how nobody ever messes with kumogakure. thats because the raikage is a badass mothe****er and he doesnt waste his time with morals... he does what has to be done.

For all Danzo's claims there really isn't anything he's shown that makes it look what he's done is in anyway for the best of the village. Not everybody is innocent sure even the 'good' guys like Saru, Jiraiya, or Kakashi but it's their compassion, and feelings that set them apart from people like Oro, and Madara. As for Raikage, it's not like he doesn't let feelings get in his way. The only reason he called for the council was because his brother was 'taken'. Despite the fact that Akatsuki has already taken Yugito, and a while ago at that.

But I digress. Everybody is going to have their own outlook on who is right and who is wrong. Not much will change that.

that is a very good point. too bad that Sasuke in the recent chapter can't seem to see that reasoning. at least it seems that Karin is beginning to stop being an annoying Sasuke fangirl.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Doesn't matter as the Ninja are treated much differently than a regular person. They are military and it will be up to the Hokage. As for the Daimyo, he will thank Sasuke up and down for executing the person that made him look like a fool.

Sasuke could very easily claim that he executed Danzo for betraying the village. Without orders is only a very minor repremand by the hokage for a treason or missing nin.

Yea, why can't Naruto, and Sakura be like Karin. At least when he tries to kill her she's smart enough to be like "I'm done." lol

Originally posted by Kento
Yea, why can't Naruto, and Sakura be like Karin. At least when he tries to kill her she's smart enough to be like "I'm done." lol

To be fair, they do have a longer history and knew him for years before the series even began.

They knew good-Sasuke and they saved each others lives at times. Karin only glimpsed good-Sasuke and was just partners with aloof-Sasuke, who while not as bad as crazy-Sasuke, didn't form the same level of bond.

Danzou did what he did to become Hokage, because he truly believe it was HE that would make the better leader than Tsunade or Sarutobi.

And... Can you blame him for believing that?

The siege on Konoha is DIRECTLY Sarutobi's fault, he let his own personal ****ing compassion get in the way of doing his duty, killing Oro would have prevented all of that, and by that point it was obvious Oro was irredeemable, not to mention a dangerous criminal. Yes... a useful tool, that compassion. 😬

Sasuke was a dangerous criminal even before going "insane." Yet Tsunade supported Naruto's ridiculously naive notion of "saving" Sasuke. Sasuke should have been ****ing put down, he is a Missing Nin, he needs to be treated like one. So far, he has attempted to capture Killer Bee, who is a pretty high ranking member of Kumogakure and the Raikage's brother, killed many samurai and wounded a Kage, killed a high-ranking political figure of Konoha (While he committed treason, it is still a crime to murder a criminal, and Danzou has considerable influence over those two old ****ers who served with Sarutobi, shit, look at the shocked look on Kakashi's face when Sasuke reveals he killed Danzou, it was not an okay thing to do), he is planning to destroy all of Konoha for selfish ****tarded reasons, and he is allying with one of the most powerful and THE most dangerous ninja in the entire world, one who controls all of the Tailed Beasts and plans to overthrow the entire world. There is NO reason he should be anything less than executed. But... Naruto and the other fagballs' compassion allows him to live, and continue his rampage. Compassion is awesome. 😐

As for pressing for the destruction of the Uchiha... They were planning a coup to overthrow the government. Rather than risk full-on civil war within Konoha, leading to many deaths on both sides, he wanted to quickly and quietly plant an inside agent to assassinate the clan. Grim business, to be sure, but logical. And no, the "innocent children" should not have been spared, because then they turn out like Sasuke. 😐 Who wants to destroy the entire village now. Itachi's own compassion for his younger brother indirectly could lead to Konoha's destruction. but yeah... This compassion is a really good thing to have as a ninja.

Even allying with Hanzo was to gather support. When you are a politician in a nation, facts are you may sometimes have to get your hands dirty. While not a "good" thing to do, it was certainly out of his dedication to Konoha, because he believed that Konoha would prosper under his rule.

Danzou is not a "bad guy," he certainly has more extreme measures, and is not really a "good guy" either, but what he did he did for the village.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Danzou did what he did to become Hokage, because he truly believe it was HE that would make the better leader than Tsunade or Sarutobi.

And... Can you blame him for believing that?

The siege on Konoha is DIRECTLY Sarutobi's fault, he let his own personal ****ing compassion get in the way of doing his duty, killing Oro would have prevented all of that, and by that point it was obvious Oro was irredeemable, not to mention a dangerous criminal. Yes... a useful tool, that compassion. 😬

Sasuke was a dangerous criminal even before going "insane." Yet Tsunade supported Naruto's ridiculously naive notion of "saving" Sasuke. Sasuke should have been ****ing put down, he is a Missing Nin, he needs to be treated like one. So far, he has attempted to capture Killer Bee, who is a pretty high ranking member of Kumogakure and the Raikage's brother, killed many samurai and wounded a Kage, killed a high-ranking political figure of Konoha (While he committed treason, it is still a crime to murder a criminal, and Danzou has considerable influence over those two old ****ers who served with Sarutobi, shit, look at the shocked look on Kakashi's face when Sasuke reveals he killed Danzou, it was not an okay thing to do), he is planning to destroy all of Konoha for selfish ****tarded reasons, and he is allying with one of the most powerful and THE most dangerous ninja in the entire world, one who controls all of the Tailed Beasts and plans to overthrow the entire world. There is NO reason he should be anything less than executed. But... Naruto and the other fagballs' compassion allows him to live, and continue his rampage. Compassion is awesome. 😐

As for pressing for the destruction of the Uchiha... They were planning a coup to overthrow the government. Rather than risk full-on civil war within Konoha, leading to many deaths on both sides, he wanted to quickly and quietly plant an inside agent to assassinate the clan. Grim business, to be sure, but logical. And no, the "innocent children" should not have been spared, because then they turn out like Sasuke. 😐 Who wants to destroy the entire village now. Itachi's own compassion for his younger brother indirectly could lead to Konoha's destruction. but yeah... This compassion is a really good thing to have as a ninja.

Even allying with Hanzo was to gather support. When you are a politician in a nation, facts are you may sometimes have to get your hands dirty. While not a "good" thing to do, it was certainly out of his dedication to Konoha, because he believed that Konoha would prosper under his rule.

Danzou is not a "bad guy," he certainly has more extreme measures, and is not really a "good guy" either, but what he did he did for the village.

i agree 100%

why isn't the new chapter out!?

Sasuke was protected by Oro, the one ninja nobody had any chance of beating. And after 'killing' Oro what did Sasuke do. He FREED all the slaves, and prisoners of Oro's. Then goes about 'killing' Deidara then 'killing' Itachi. All while he's being searched for. So yea he really did anything to be such a huge villain before Madara came along to result in a death warrant. Not to mention nobody found him up until now so that would have been so useful. Just like Oro's, and Itachi's, and Zabuza's and every Akatsuki member. Up until Killer Bee fight Sasuke had done nothing to get a death sentence. He wasn't evil, and he did nothing evil. He didn't kill anybody, he didn't try killing anybody, and he didn't go about killing everybody that got in his way. AFTER 'capturing' Bee that is the only time Sasuke had any real reason to be gone after. And that's when the order was given out. And somehow Sasuke lost all rational thought, and just wants to kill everybody. There is no way Sasuke just got to that stage alone. Madara HAS to be doing something, which is going to make all this suddenly not be Sasuke's fault. If not I'll be thoroughly surprised.

😬 Danzo's choice resulted in the destruction of Konoha. Yet he must have been doing it for the greater good so he gets a free pass? Shodai's choice has resulted in Madara using Kyuubi to destroy Konoha and again using others to try and destroy the Ninja world but that's fine. Tobirama's choice is why the Uchiha even planned to rebel, but he's off the hook? Somehow everything that happened is Saru's fault yet from the Uchiha rebelling to the attack from the fox to Pain becoming Pain was somebody elses mess. But letting Oro live somehow surpasses that all? It's not like Saru is the only Hokage who did things that resulted in Konoha's destruction or attempted destruction.

A big plot point is, after all, how killing the last threat makes the next in a cycle of violence.

And somehow Sasuke lost all rational thought, and just wants to kill everybody. There is no way Sasuke just got to that stage alone. Madara HAS to be doing something, which is going to make all this suddenly not be Sasuke's fault.

Madara? Sure, he told Sasuke the truth. And try Itachi and Orochimaru too.

The kid had been raised to hate and try and survive via vengeance, first by Itachi, stoked by Orochimaru, half his life, and then when he thought it was done and he had won and it was over, it turns out he'd been trying to kill the wrong person all along and he killed his beloved brother the hero who saved him and did it all for him while the real criminals lived it up!

That'll mess up a person's head.

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You are right about him not doing any significant crimes in the eyes of most until Killerbee. At most, he was a criminal for joining with Sound, an enemy of Konoha, but that was a minor crime, and it was reasonable to leave it in the hands of Team Kakashi, a skilled force, who'd pursue the matter to the best of their abilities.

It's not until he joined the Akatsuki and started wrecking havok, and finally flat-out attacking the Kage summit, that he became a big thing.

MORE CLIFFHANGERS!!!!

sasuke also tried to kill naruto- multiple times.

which is something else that people (including the people in the manga itself) seem to forget... he shoved his hand through narutos lung 😐

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
sasuke also tried to kill naruto- multiple times.

which is something else that people (including the people in the manga itself) seem to forget... he shoved his hand through narutos lung 😐

Probably because Naruto didn't likely tell them 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
Probably because Naruto didn't likely tell them 🙂