Originally posted by Kento
You'd think that huge gaping wound that was there for a few seconds would've made Naruto realize that Sasuke didn't want to come back. Well can't ever confuse Naruto with being smart when it comes to Sasuke.
True that.
And Sasuke did leave Naruto alive. I mean, I know Naruto knows Sasuke was trying to kill him, but he cared about Sasuke enough to let that slide if Sasuke would just give it up and come back.
- Does the clashing of Sasu-dori and Naru-rengan somehow create a pocket dimension where those two can chat away without affecting events in the 'real' world? It happened at VotE, and has it happened at any other time where Sasuke or Naruto were not involved?
I know I'm supposed to suspend my disbelief, but that s*** is weird.
Originally posted by Kento
Everybody is going to have their own outlook on who is right and who is wrong. Not much will change that.
This.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix😆 I was so thinking that same thing when I read it when talking to my cousin. Have these long conversations while in the middle of doing rasengan and chidori. But I don't remember it ever happening any other time besides those two Sasuke/Naruto clashes.
- Does the clashing of Sasu-dori and Naru-rengan somehow create a pocket dimension where those two can chat away without affecting events in the 'real' world? It happened at VotE, and has it happened at any other time where Sasuke or Naruto were not involved?
I know I'm supposed to suspend my disbelief, but that s*** is weird.This.
Originally posted by Q99Well I guess Naruto could always just be looking at he attacked Sasuke first after he was already out of the Land of Fire. Who really knows what goes on in Naruto's head.
True that.And Sasuke did leave Naruto alive. I mean, I know Naruto knows Sasuke was trying to kill him, but he cared about Sasuke enough to let that slide if Sasuke would just give it up and come back.
Originally posted by KentoHaha wut? Oro is small fry compared to the top tiers of Naruto. Jiraiya would kick his ass. 😬 I'd be willing to bet Danzo himself would have a fair chance of doing so as well. You are confusing being a villain with being a criminal. Should we excuse a thief who murdered a man when he came home to find someone stealing his money if the man did so to feed his infant son? No, the law does not work that way. Being a Missing Nin alone in Naruto warrants the death penalty... Yet because of Naruto's punk bitchass Sasuke was not hunted down. The middle part of your paragraph, "Not to mention nobody found him up until now so that would have been so useful. Just like Oro's, and Itachi's, and Zabuza's and every Akatsuki member.", what does it mean? And once again... Being a Missing Nin warrants a Death Sentence. He betrayed his village, and nearly killed Naruto. Once again, you are confusing being evil with being a criminal. Oh, and he attempted to kill Team 7 before he attacked Killer Bee. The order was given out because Tsunade was no longer in charge and Danzo is not an idiot like she is. Madara has to be doing what? Mind control? Knowing Kishimoto's general faggotry this would not surprise me in the least. But regardless, that is speculation, based on the facts, he is guilty, and more than deserves the death penalty.
Sasuke was protected by Oro, the one ninja nobody had any chance of beating. And after 'killing' Oro what did Sasuke do. He FREED all the slaves, and prisoners of Oro's. Then goes about 'killing' Deidara then 'killing' Itachi. All while he's being searched for. So yea he really did anything to be such a huge villain before Madara came along to result in a death warrant. Not to mention nobody found him up until now so that would have been so useful. Just like Oro's, and Itachi's, and Zabuza's and every Akatsuki member. Up until Killer Bee fight Sasuke had done nothing to get a death sentence. He wasn't evil, and he did nothing evil. He didn't kill anybody, he didn't try killing anybody, and he didn't go about killing everybody that got in his way. AFTER 'capturing' Bee that is the only time Sasuke had any real reason to be gone after. And that's when the order was given out. And somehow Sasuke lost all rational thought, and just wants to kill everybody. There is no way Sasuke just got to that stage alone. Madara HAS to be doing something, which is going to make all this suddenly not be Sasuke's fault. If not I'll be thoroughly surprised.😬 Danzo's choice resulted in the destruction of Konoha. Yet he must have been doing it for the greater good so he gets a free pass? Shodai's choice has resulted in Madara using Kyuubi to destroy Konoha and again using others to try and destroy the Ninja world but that's fine. Tobirama's choice is why the Uchiha even planned to rebel, but he's off the hook? Somehow everything that happened is Saru's fault yet from the Uchiha rebelling to the attack from the fox to Pain becoming Pain was somebody elses mess. But letting Oro live somehow surpasses that all? It's not like Saru is the only Hokage who did things that resulted in Konoha's destruction or attempted destruction.
What choice was that? Actually, was not the Shodaime's fault... The Uchiha are the ones who exiled him, and Madara's just a power hungry tyrant, probably always has been. No, Tobirama is not off the hook, his brother wanted to form an alliance with the Uchiha, and his idiot ass decided to further segregate them from village affairs. He is indirectly responsible for the Uchiha's plans for a coup. Everything is Saru's fault? No not everything, only the Sound and Sand's invasion of Konoha, which could have been evaded if he had the balls to kill his former student. Sarutobi is not the only one, no, but he is the only one whose choice had the most OBVIOUS ramifications, his student was insane and power hungry, and had already killed many villagers in his research... But he gave him a free pass.
Originally posted by NemeBroOro already hinted at beating Jiraiya once. Jiraiya is also just as much to blame as Saru when it comes to Oro. They both left him alone to do what he wanted. Just because when it comes to Uchiha, Oro suddenly gets dumb, and owned like he's nothing doesn't make him low tier. Leaving your village doesn't suddenly make you a missing-nin. Jiraiya has ties to Konoha but he isn't a Konoha ninja anymore. It was said somewhere that one of the jinchuuriki wasn't tied to any village. Sasuke leaving isn't cause to become a missing-nin. His sharingan is probably the only reason it would happen. What I mean is, even if he was considered a missing-nin after he left, what good would it have done. Oro, and all of Akatsuki are missing-nin. Nobody goes after them at all. Heck apparently even some of the villaged used Akatsuki. So missing-nin doesn't automatically mean death warrant. And after the inital meeting where he ran away at the start of part 2, and pretty much owned all of team 7, Sasuke was constantly looked for but eluded being found up until just now. It's really hard to actually say he attempted to kill team 7 when being watched by Oro. When after that he wouldn't kill random no-names, and had to act like he didn't care Oro was using him. Yea, I'm not arguing Sasuke doesn't deserve the death penalty. I'm just saying that it only really began deserving it when he went after Bee. Naruto attacked Sasuke, after he had left the Fire Country, which was as far as they were meant to chase him. Yes, Sasuke tried to kill Naruto but really did he have a choice? Naruto wasn't exactly going to let him walk away, and it was fight back or get beaten.
Haha wut? Oro is small fry compared to the top tiers of Naruto. Jiraiya would kick his ass. 😬 I'd be willing to bet Danzo himself would have a fair chance of doing so as well. You are confusing being a villain with being a criminal. Should we excuse a thief who murdered a man when he came home to find someone stealing his money if the man did so to feed his infant son? No, the law does not work that way. Being a Missing Nin alone in Naruto warrants the death penalty... Yet because of Naruto's punk bitchass Sasuke was not hunted down. The middle part of your paragraph, "Not to mention nobody found him up until now so that would have been so useful. Just like Oro's, and Itachi's, and Zabuza's and every Akatsuki member.", what does it mean? And once again... Being a Missing Nin warrants a Death Sentence. He betrayed his village, and nearly killed Naruto. Once again, you are confusing being evil with being a criminal. Oh, and he attempted to kill Team 7 before he attacked Killer Bee. The order was given out because Tsunade was no longer in charge and Danzo is not an idiot like she is. Madara has to be doing what? Mind control? Knowing Kishimoto's general faggotry this would not surprise me in the least. But regardless, that is speculation, based on the facts, he is guilty, and more than deserves the death penalty.What choice was that? Actually, was not the Shodaime's fault... The Uchiha are the ones who exiled him, and Madara's just a power hungry tyrant, probably always has been. No, Tobirama is not off the hook, his brother wanted to form an alliance with the Uchiha, and his idiot ass decided to further segregate them from village affairs. He is indirectly responsible for the Uchiha's plans for a coup. Everything is Saru's fault? No not everything, only the Sound and Sand's invasion of Konoha, which could have been evaded if he had the balls to kill his former student. Sarutobi is not the only one, no, but he is the only one whose choice had the most OBVIOUS ramifications, his student was insane and power hungry, and had already killed many villagers in his research... But he gave him a free pass.
Siding with Hanzo, and killing Yahiko. That right there resulted in Pain. The guy who actually destroyed Konoha. Saru's the only one who gets talked about with bad choices. 3 (at least) of the 6 Kage's though did something that led to something either destroying, attacking, or planning to destroy the village. Though I guess you do have a point about Shodai. And I never said what Saru did wasn't downright dumb.
Why can't Naruto just beat the crap out of Sasuke? It not that hard and now he has Sage mode. I mean if talk no jutsu didn't work the first time then why doesn't he get to the point. I would have actually liked Sasuke a little more had he killed Sakura(why is she alive?) but oh well. Funny how Madara just left Sasuke by himself don't you think?
Originally posted by Kento1. When did Oro hint at beating Jiraiya? And even if he once did, that was years ago, not the same Jiraiya who was holding his own against Pain, and did so without PIS faggotry or prior knowledge like Naruto had. If Oro beat Jiraiya, then clearly Jiraiya at least tried to stop him. Unlike Sarutobi. Who was BY ORO'S OWN ADMISSION stronger than him before his old age. Sarutobi did absolutely nothing. He let Orochimaru walk right past him. Low tier? No, he is top tier... Just a relatively weaker top tier. Compare him to guys like Pain, Madara, Itachi, da mutha****ing Raikage, Killer Bee, or... Jiraiya. 🙂 He's not so strong compared to them. You are right, leaving your village does not necessarily make you a missing nin. Leaving your village to join up with the village's most signifigant threat does. 😐 No one went after Oro because... Well actually I don't know why no one went after Oro, nor why no one shouldn't have. As for Akatsuki... I for some reason think that going after some of the most powerful ninja alive united under one organization is not a very easy task. It is also a small organization, relatively easy to conceal its activities. The same could not be said of the Sound "village." Hell, Oro is kind of just walking around in broad daylight in Zaku's flashback, why the hell HASN'T anyone attempted to kill/capture him? Personally I don't know why Konoha did not just crush the Sound... I can count the number of notably powerful ninjas belonging to it on one hand. 😬 But I digress. I will admit that it is entirely possible Sasuke was bluffing about killing his old team... But his old team does not know that.
Oro already hinted at beating Jiraiya once. Jiraiya is also just as much to blame as Saru when it comes to Oro. They both left him alone to do what he wanted. Just because when it comes to Uchiha, Oro suddenly gets dumb, and owned like he's nothing doesn't make him low tier. Leaving your village doesn't suddenly make you a missing-nin. Jiraiya has ties to Konoha but he isn't a Konoha ninja anymore. It was said somewhere that one of the jinchuuriki wasn't tied to any village. Sasuke leaving isn't cause to become a missing-nin. His sharingan is probably the only reason it would happen. What I mean is, even if he was considered a missing-nin after he left, what good would it have done. Oro, and all of Akatsuki are missing-nin. Nobody goes after them at all. Heck apparently even some of the villaged used Akatsuki. So missing-nin doesn't automatically mean death warrant. And after the inital meeting where he ran away at the start of part 2, and pretty much owned all of team 7, Sasuke was constantly looked for but eluded being found up until just now. It's really hard to actually say he attempted to kill team 7 when being watched by Oro. When after that he wouldn't kill random no-names, and had to act like he didn't care Oro was using him. Yea, I'm not arguing Sasuke doesn't deserve the death penalty. I'm just saying that it only really began deserving it when he went after Bee. Naruto attacked Sasuke, after he had left the Fire Country, which was as far as they were meant to chase him. Yes, Sasuke tried to kill Naruto but really did he have a choice? Naruto wasn't exactly going to let him walk away, and it was fight back or get beaten.Siding with Hanzo, and killing Yahiko. That right there resulted in Pain. The guy who actually destroyed Konoha. Saru's the only one who gets talked about with bad choices. 3 (at least) of the 6 Kage's though did something that led to something either destroying, attacking, or planning to destroy the village. Though I guess you do have a point about Shodai. And I never said what Saru did wasn't downright dumb.
The end of your paragraph deserves a whole other paragraph. That argument... Holds no water. Naruto was attempting to stop him from committing treason against his faction by joining an enemy faction. But... We cannot blame him for trying to kill Naruto because Naruto was trying to stop him? Lulwut? That would be like someone going on his way to rob a bank, and then when a guy stops him and he tries to kill him, and wounds the guy (But he survives), and not being charged with attempt at murder simply because the guy tried to stop him from committing a crime. Lawl.
Dirty business, certainly not ethical, but tactically sound at face value. Hanzou held signifigant political and military power as I understood it, Danzo recognised he would make a powerful ally, and wanted to earn his trust by putting down Yahiko and friends. What Danzo could not have forseen was Nagato spawning a ****ing soul eating giant from his back, forcing them to flee, and that said kid would become insane and go on to destroy Konoha. Indirectly, Danzo was responsible, yes, but it is not the same. Sarutobi COULD have stopped Oro, and he KNEW there would likely be negative repercussions if he did not. He did nothing. That is why I emphasize Sarutobi's bad choices, the negative consequences were clear. Tobirama is an utter moron, though for different reasons. The Uchiha already had a shaky relationship with his clan, so of course it's a good idea to further segregate them from village politics! 😐
Has anyone seen the latest episode... god damn is the ending stupid. Naruto and Utakata (six tails guy) are standing there with the main villain, as he unleashes his kinjutsu that creates a very, very slowly expanding dome of death. Now, there are several options here:
1. Do we jump out of here and easily avoid this pathetically sluggish attack?
2. Do we try and transform into our jinchiruki forms, and take advantage of their high durability and healing to survive?
3. Do we try and punch out the main villain before he unleashes it?
4. Or, do we stand there like idiots and let the wave of eminent destruction hit us head on?
Guess which one they pick. Now, they'll obviously survive by some plot device, but really they made this a lot harder than it needs to be.