Originally posted by Kento
Only because of Kimi's bloodline. Haku wouldn't have any way of hurting him.
So? Isn't it Kimi's MASTERY of his bloodline that gives him his true strength? Or anyone with a bloodline for that matter, Haku included.
Chalk it up to Kimi's bloodline, I chalk it up to Kimi's ability to use his bloodline effectively.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixHaku can use his bloodline ability pretty effectively with Demon Ice Mirrors I'd say. And creating one-handed jutsu's that still hasn't been replicated. It's just Kimi's ability is hard to beat with abilities like Gaara's or Haku's when Kimi's ability nulls piercing and crushing attacks. And makes him perfect to fight people like Lee. Unless Haku can create some freezing, absolute zero type move but we'll never know if that's possible.
So? Isn't it Kimi's MASTERY of his bloodline that gives him his true strength? Or anyone with a bloodline for that matter, Haku included.Chalk it up to Kimi's bloodline, I chalk it up to Kimi's ability to use his bloodline effectively.
It only nulls piercing and crushing attacks because Kimi is controlling the density of his bones to such an extent.
Him just having the bloodline doesn't automatically give him the advantage, it's his impeccable control and mastery of it. If he couldn't control the density of his bones, but could just extend his bones, Haku would have a chance. That's what I'm saying.
~ Probably not Absolute Zero, but he could most likely come up with Freeze moves. Or even an ice armor ala Raikage's Raiton Armor...(Iceman 😛)
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixI never said Kimi wasn't a master at it. It's just that Kimi winning against Haku wouldn't make Haku weaker even though he is in canon but I mean a what-if scenario. They both could be just as skilled but Haku couldn't win. While it's also possible that if Haku was more skilled but Kimi has just basic skill in his kekkai genkai that Haku still wouldn't win. Kimi being extremely strong wasn't a product of his Kekkai Genkai anyway. It just helped out in certain situations where skill was useless. Kekkai Genkai aren't skills that take a lot to use properly anyway it seems.
It only nulls piercing and crushing attacks because Kimi is controlling the density of his bones to such an extent.Him just having the bloodline doesn't automatically give him the advantage, it's his impeccable control and mastery of it. If he couldn't control the density of his bones, but could just extend his bones, Haku would have a chance. That's what I'm saying.
~ Probably not Absolute Zero, but he could most likely come up with Freeze moves. Or even an ice armor ala Raikage's Raiton Armor...(Iceman 😛)
I can just see Haku now using Mist Jutsu and then freezing it and everybody caught in it. 😆
Originally posted by Kento
Haku can use his bloodline ability pretty effectively with Demon Ice Mirrors I'd say. And creating one-handed jutsu's that still hasn't been replicated. It's just Kimi's ability is hard to beat with abilities like Gaara's or Haku's when Kimi's ability nulls piercing and crushing attacks. And makes him perfect to fight people like Lee. Unless Haku can create some freezing, absolute zero type move but we'll never know if that's possible.
Keeping him freezing for an extended period would also help. Bone density won't let him make warmed, so he might be worn down by the cold.
Also his teleporting would make him very hard to hit in return.
If he was precise enough to get past the bones and hit fleshy parts too....
Whoever won, I think it'd be a super-epic fight.
It just helped out in certain situations where skill was useless. Kekkai Genkai aren't skills that take a lot to use properly anyway it seems.
They do seem to require a fair amount of creativity, though. Figuring out all the different ways it can be used.
Hm, depends a lot on the kekkai genkai, too. Itachi was better with tsukiyomi than Sasuke by a lot in being able to control the subject's time, but Sasuke shaped amaterasu when Itachi never did. Kakashi took some time to get accurate with Kamui too, and on wood jutsu, Danzo's usage was very basic, 'make a big tree', while Tenzo was precise with his. So some areas may be easier than others for different usersand natural affinity seems to matter a lot too.
Originally posted by Q99Well all sharingan are different. And they don't seem to be unlocked without some emotional state. And as for Danzo, it wasn't his, and even Yamato isn't as good as Shodai is. Because they aren't really meant to have it. But the rest just seems natural. Kimi had it when he was a kid with no real practice. Haku was able to do it without any type of training though his being the way it is it would probably take a lot of skill to make some awesome jutsu out of it like Crystal Ice Mirrors. And then Byakugan everybody and their mother seems to have, and even weaklings like Hinata can use the to their full extent. Elemental Kekkai Genkai's probably take a bit more skill than a Kekkai Genkai like Kimi's and they both probably take a lot more skill than any Dojutsu Kekkai Genkai to be honest.
Hm, depends a lot on the kekkai genkai, too. Itachi was better with tsukiyomi than Sasuke by a lot in being able to control the subject's time, but Sasuke shaped amaterasu when Itachi never did. Kakashi took some time to get accurate with Kamui too, and on wood jutsu, Danzo's usage was very basic, 'make a big tree', while Tenzo was precise with his. So some areas may be easier than others for different usersand natural affinity seems to matter a lot too.
Originally posted by dadudemon😠 It's anime it doesn't have to make sense!! 😆
It would turn into really fine powder, if he did that. Completely useless in any offensive way. 😐Pwned! 😆
Originally posted by King KandyProbably. But if Haku hadn't of died I think he's probably have gotten strong enough to hang with some of the stronger ones with the move, assuming he got the chance to get it off. Which would all depend on if he was able to progress his physical abilities good enough.
I did like Zabuza somewhat at the time, but I never liked Haku. And his ice, well it resisted the katon but a very, very minor amount of Kyuubi chakra melted it. Which makes me think any top-tier currently could probably break it without much effort.
Originally posted by Kento
I never said Kimi wasn't a master at it. It's just that Kimi winning against Haku wouldn't make Haku weaker even though he is in canon but I mean a what-if scenario. They both could be just as skilled but Haku couldn't win. While it's also possible that if Haku was more skilled but Kimi has just basic skill in his kekkai genkai that Haku still wouldn't win. Kimi being extremely strong wasn't a product of his Kekkai Genkai anyway. It just helped out in certain situations where skill was useless. Kekkai Genkai aren't skills that take a lot to use properly anyway it seems.I can just see Haku now using Mist Jutsu and then freezing it and everybody caught in it. 😆
Fair enough, it's just that if they were to increase their abilities and strength by the same amount, it wouldn't be Kimi's bloodline that lets him win. He was better than Haku was at taijutsu anyway.
I don't know. I mean, not everyone is a genius. When Sasuke first got his three tomoe, his use of it was fairly mundane, well, when compared to his usage of Sharingan in Part II. It's obvious he trained to get better at it. Even MS jutsu require 'training' or repeated use. Sasuke just has his hax hatred to make his Susano'o stronger every time.
It's just like Zetsu said, bloodlines are just tools. You obviously have to be proficient with them, and you cannot be proficient with it from the start.
Pfft, Kimimaro will fill the whole area with bones before Haku can do that.
Originally posted by Kento
Probably. But if Haku hadn't of died I think he's probably have gotten strong enough to hang with some of the stronger ones with the move, assuming he got the chance to get it off. Which would all depend on if he was able to progress his physical abilities good enough.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixTrue, Zabu and Haku were more stealth fighters than straight up fighters.
Fair enough, it's just that if they were to increase their abilities and strength by the same amount, it wouldn't be Kimi's bloodline that lets him win. He was better than Haku was at taijutsu anyway.I don't know. I mean, not everyone is a genius. When Sasuke first got his three tomoe, his use of it was fairly mundane, well, when compared to his usage of Sharingan in Part II. It's obvious he trained to get better at it. Even MS jutsu require 'training' or repeated use. Sasuke just has his hax hatred to make his Susano'o stronger every time.
It's just like Zetsu said, bloodlines are just tools. You obviously have to be proficient with them, and you cannot be proficient with it from the start.
Pfft, Kimimaro will fill the whole area with bones before Haku can do that.
But the abilities are already there. They just have to expand on them not learn them. That's what I meant.
😠 If Kimi wasn't using Cursed Seal he'd be a goner. lol
Originally posted by King KandyIt was probably because he thought Haku was a hunter-nin at the time and had come for Zabuza who was his equal..if he hadn't used sharingan. It's Zabuza saying Haku was stronger than him that really confuses me. No way Sasuke would have been able to match up with Zabuza in taijutsu like he did Haku. But I don't think Zabuza or Kakashi would've done to well in Demon Ice Mirrors at that point in time but I doubt Haku would've had the time to use them against either one anyway so it wouldn't matter.
Also when Kakashi said that Haku was stronger than him, WTF was that about. It was quite obvious even then that he wasn't even close.
kimmimaro's BL is being a bit overrated here.
hakus speed and accuracy pre timeskip was... ridiculous. post TS he should be even faster and even more accurate.
that being said, it should be easy for haku to just take out kimmimaros eyes... game set match etc. der magical bones mean nothing if he has no vision...
from that point he could do a number of things- im thinking something along the line of bashing him in the head until he has a concussion. like the hulk said when he beat wolverine, the strength of your bones dont matter because your brain will still bounce around inside your head and can be wounded in that way...
I am pretty sure Zabuza was only talking about his Bloodline ability.
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelHaku was slower than Sasuke before training with Kakashi.
kimmimaro's BL is being a bit overrated here.hakus speed and accuracy pre timeskip was... ridiculous. post TS he should be even faster and even more accurate.
that being said, it should be easy for haku to just take out kimmimaros eyes... game set match etc. der magical bones mean nothing if he has no vision...
from that point he could do a number of things- im thinking something along the line of bashing him in the head until he has a concussion. like the hulk said when he beat wolverine, the strength of your bones dont matter because your brain will still bounce around inside your head and can be wounded in that way...
Kimimaro was fighting Rock ****ing Lee.
In terms of speed, Haku is not "ridiculous."
Accuracy, yes. But Kimi's bones give him a defense above most characters, and he has the speed to block them.
Also, Kimimaro is physically much stronger, in terms of a taijutsu fight Kimimaro would dominate, this is factually true.
Keep in mind everything we have seen from him was while he was dying, yet he was more than a match for Lee, and with Cursed Seal he was better than Gaara.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
kimmimaro's BL is being a bit overrated here.hakus speed and accuracy pre timeskip was... ridiculous. post TS he should be even faster and even more accurate.
that being said, it should be easy for haku to just take out kimmimaros eyes... game set match etc. der magical bones mean nothing if he has no vision...
from that point he could do a number of things- im thinking something along the line of bashing him in the head until he has a concussion. like the hulk said when he beat wolverine, the strength of your bones dont matter because your brain will still bounce around inside your head and can be wounded in that way...
Yeah, Kimimaro could easily do the same. Fire bone bullets at the dude. Ice cannot stop it, as sand certainly couldn't.
Or protect his eyes with bones. DOOMSDAY!
There will be no speed advantage either most likely. Kimimaro kept up with one of the fastest fighters in the manga, albeit just recovered.
Originally posted by Kento
True, Zabu and Haku were more stealth fighters than straight up fighters.But the abilities are already there. They just have to expand on them not learn them. That's what I meant.
😠 If Kimi wasn't using Cursed Seal he'd be a goner. lol
Ahh, okay, I understand.
Pah, Gaara or anyone would be a goner if Kimimaro wasn't sick 😠