The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Q99
The Hokage in general seem to be impressive even by Kage standards. The 'weakest' is probably Tsunade, who's strategic contributions were viewed as decisive in the second ninja world war.

Well, if it's like Minato's barrier, I can see why he'd use water instead. Hiruzen never used a jutsu that'd be best dealt with by that kind of response, and water's likely easier and more flexible for Tobirama.

Hm... Tobirama. Tobi. Time-space jutsu master.

"Madara" is the second Hokage, not Madara Uchiha. He stole the original Madara's eye, and after his apparent death in the Danzo flashback (which he escaped from), he implanted it.

As awesome as that might be, different hair color is different. And you can't use Edo Tensei if said person is alive. Or at least I wouldn't think you could. But it would explain how Madara became Mizukage. 😛

Hmmm.... that makes sense. but there's still how he knows so much about the Uchiha and everything else in general.

so far the fight between him and Minato is quite interesting, but I hope the pace of it picks up soon. it's been one continuous flashback for quite awhile now.

Madara being the second hokage could be a possibility but I still doubt it. Still seeing Minato blocking the chakra blast and fighting Madara were pretty cool.

I still want to know how Minato came to the conclusion that the person he was fighting was Madara Uchiha. The guy had space-time techniques similar or even superior to the Second's and his own whie not mentioning the First Hokage at all; or the original Madara.

Well only one person was able to control Kyuubi. That alone right there would make anybody assume it's Madara.

Ah, but the stolen eye would grant Kyuubi control too. That's why Danzo wanted sharingans, at least in part, after all.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
As awesome as that might be, different hair color is different. And you can't use Edo Tensei if said person is alive. Or at least I wouldn't think you could. But it would explain how Madara became Mizukage. 😛

I will point out he *invented* Edo Tensei! Perhaps he made a loophole.

danteiscool
Hmmm.... that makes sense. but there's still how he knows so much about the Uchiha and everything else in general.

He was around when it all went down, next to Hashirama, after all. And having stolen Madara's eye, he could read the Uchiha document at that level.

Originally posted by Q99
I will point out he *invented* Edo Tensei! Perhaps he made a loophole.

Thats a big loophole. 😆

He can't be Tobirama, because Tobirama is confirmed dead from having been resurrected. Of all the possible characters Madara could be (besides, well, Uchiha Madara), Tobirama would have to be my absolute last choice.

Originally posted by Q99
Ah, but the stolen eye would grant Kyuubi control too. That's why Danzo wanted sharingans, at least in part, after all.

But it is completely possible that taking Madara's eyes wouldn't grant a person the ability to control Kyuubi, and that it's Madara's chakra that allows it. No other Uchiha is said to have the power. In fact only Madara is stated specifically, by the Frog Scroll, to be able to do it. And when Kyuubi gets surpressed by Sasuke, Kyuubi says his chakra is like Madara. So who knows. Cause non-Uchiha blame the Uchiha's for the Kyuubi attack thinking they could do it. And Madara thinks Danzo wants the eyes to control Kyuubi. Which means Madara thinks others can control it..

Originally posted by King Kandy
He can't be Tobirama, because Tobirama is confirmed dead from having been resurrected. Of all the possible characters Madara could be (besides, well, Uchiha Madara), Tobirama would have to be my absolute last choice.

What if he used a body-transfer jutsu akin to Orochimaru's, so his original body is dead?

Or theory B: It's not Tobirama, but Madara had a crush on him, hence the choice of nicknames.

Originally posted by Q99
Well, if it's like Minato's barrier, I can see why he'd use water instead. Hiruzen never used a jutsu that'd be best dealt with by that kind of response, and water's likely easier and more flexible for Tobirama.

Hm... Tobirama. Tobi. Time-space jutsu master.

"Madara" is the second Hokage, not Madara Uchiha. He stole the original Madara's eye, and after his apparent death in the Danzo flashback (which he escaped from), he implanted it.

He likely knows more space-time jutsu than just the S-T barrier which Minato used. Besides, if the Barrier can transport an energy blast from the Kyuubi, it likely could transport any other type of blast attack.

That barrier technique is also a lot more wicked than it appears. Minato could pick a place where the attack could safely explode. He could have let it explode on top of the Kyuubi, if it weren't in the middle of the village.

Tobi-Madara has his Sharingan constantly activated. I don't think it could be Tobirama or any other non-Uchiha for that matter, not unless his/their chakra levels are *extremely* huge, or he/they have discovered some way to negate the huge chakra drain a transplanted Sharingan has on a non-Uchiha.

Originally posted by Q99
What if he used a body-transfer jutsu akin to Orochimaru's, so his original body is dead?

Or theory B: It's not Tobirama, but Madara had a crush on him, hence the choice of nicknames.

His mind returned when he was revived with Edo Tensei. I doubt that would be possible if it were in someone else's body.

To bad Minato couldn't have taken the Space/Time Barrier jutsu, and turned it into something he could use to warp himself without need of seals.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Tobi-Madara has his Sharingan constantly activated. I don't think it could be Tobirama or any other non-Uchiha for that matter, not unless his/their chakra levels are *extremely* huge, or he/they have discovered some way to negate the huge chakra drain a transplanted Sharingan has on a non-Uchiha.

Originally posted by Kento
To bad Minato couldn't have taken the Space/Time Barrier jutsu, and turned it into something he could use to warp himself without need of seals.

Originally posted by King Kandy
IDK. Maybe he had some seal-kunai out in the woods, which helped him with the space-time barrier?

If I was Minato I would have planted those things everywhere I could find.

Well ...One was on his wife, one at his house, one whereever he goes to fight Madara, one on Hokage mountain (I guess he warped there). Probably some everywhere around Konoha, and in the office so he can make an entrance lol. So it's probable that one was in the forest someplace. But he did have to use hand signs to make the barrier.

Originally posted by Kento
To bad Minato couldn't have taken the Space/Time Barrier jutsu, and turned it into something he could use to warp himself without need of seals.

He's not as awesome as TobiMadara is, so his lower-grade S/T techniques are understandable. 😛

Originally posted by King Kandy
IDK. Maybe he had some seal-kunai out in the woods, which helped him with the space-time barrier?

I think those seals only let him move himself, not attacks like that of the Kyuubi's.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well Tobirama is Senju, which could help since they're supposed to have greater vitality/chakra than other clans. Danzo implanted the 1sts cells to have greater chakra for the sharingan which leads me to believe that being Senju may offset the cost to some extent. There may even be some synergy there since it would be sort of like reuniting the two halves of the sage's power.

Right, that makes sense.

Though I still don't think it could be Tobirama due to the actual Tobirama being revived 'completely' by Edo Tensei.
Then there's the statement that Madara was the only person who could actually summon the Kyuubi, which we see happening in this chapter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/06/
Also, "Madara's" eye on that page. It doesn't look like a normal Sharingan. Is it a Mangekyo, or a normal Sharingan that has been distorted by the swirls that accompany Madara's jutsu?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Right, that makes sense.

Though I still don't think it could be Tobirama due to the actual Tobirama being revived 'completely' by Edo Tensei.
Then there's the statement that Madara was the only person who could actually summon the Kyuubi, which we see happening in this chapter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/06/
Also, "Madara's" eye on that page. It doesn't look like a normal Sharingan. Is it a Mangekyo, or a normal Sharingan that has been distorted by the swirls that accompany Madara's jutsu?

Bad art, IMO.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He's not as awesome as TobiMadara is, so his lower-grade S/T techniques are understandable. 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I think those seals only let him move himself, not attacks like that of the Kyuubi's.

Originally posted by Kento
😛 Who just got hit with the Rasengan, and has constantly failed to catch a man?

Well he moves others with the technique. So it's possible he can move attacks.

That's better than not being able to beat said man who got hit with the Rasengan and has constantly failed to catch Minato. 😛

Doesn't he move others by touching/carrying them?