The Official Naruto series Thread

Started by Q991,600 pages

Gaara's gotten better since then though, and raw amount of sand can make up for reaction time.

I wonder if Gaara still has his ultimate defense? Before the sand would not let him get injured by instinct. Can it even work without Gaara willing the sand to defend him?

I thought the auto-sand shield was due to the Shukaku. Since he no longer has it, it can be assumed he doesn't have the ultimate defense sand as well; unless he really has enough skill to unconciously block himself with it.

Originally posted by Q99
Gaara's gotten better since then though, and raw amount of sand can make up for reaction time.

He still only carries the gord which is the same size it ever was. He doesn't even have an auto-shield anymore, so I doubt his sand will defend him any better now than it did then.

He was defending himself and his siblings pretty well in a method that resembled the auto-shield (Sasuke seemed to think he still had his ultimate defense), and he can do a solid sand sphere or flight.

Plus he does always have the tactic of crushing some ground into more sand.

I'd think his larger problem would be in offense against Raikage, hitting him well enough to get a grab would be very tricky.

Well then it comes down to a few things:

Raikage is fast as f*ck.
Gaara lacks auto defense that he had when fighting opponents who were slower than Raikage.

Gaara would have to get pretty creative to beat him. And he'd have to do it fast.

I really don't think he lost the auto-defense, he auto-defended against Amaterasu. It seems to be engrained in him at this point.

The only thing he definitely lost were the moves that relied on shukaku, like the transformation modes.

Id say raikage would defninitely be too fast for gaara, and given that he can use his lightning in a slicing/piercing manner akin to sasukes chidori(+the fact that he is super strong and superfast which logically should increase the potency of the attack), he should be capable of penetrating the sand defense and landing clean on gaara which is really all he would need.

gaara can fly ermm

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
gaara can fly ermm

Which is lol-full.
Anyone that can TK with enough force to equal their bodymass, can technically fly.

It would depend on how much sand he has. If he has enough for a sand tsunami I think it'd still be a long fight.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Which is lol-full.
Anyone that can TK with enough force to equal their bodymass, can technically fly.

Actually no.

They would weigh 0

every pound after that would equate to thrust

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Actually no.

They would weigh 0

every pound after that would equate to thrust

That's what I said.

"tk with enough force" was my half ass way of saying: move objects.

IF they can't move the object then they can't TK with enough force.

Capisce?

Here's another way:

You can TK an object that weighs exactly 100kg (that's about what my mass is). You should then be able to TK yourself just the same as that object.

The end.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Actually no.

They would weigh 0

every pound after that would equate to thrust


If they step off of a high object, they are flying even with no thrust. (although levitation is a closer term, I suppose).

Originally posted by Q99
Agreed. To have taken charge in such circumstances, coming off the Bloody Mist era, requires a certain strength and ruthlessness.

Especially since we know Kekkei genkai users suffered discrimination.

Though a lot of that was her psychological weakness (which she's since beaten), and he used drugs to amp himself up to have a speed edge.

I'm guessing she was holding back because she knew she'd have to deal with the more fearsome Orochimaru next. She didn't really use any big jutsu on him, Tsunade seemed to think him a foe that could be dealt with purely by taijutsu instead of pulling out the stops like she did against Orochi (activate the regen technique and those scalpels become nigh useless), and that nervous system chop would've finished most ninja too.

Jiraiya's stronger, but Tsunade's still quite fearsome.

I think Tsuchikage might be the current weakest due to age.

Didn't Jiraiya say her healing abilities were decisive in the Second Ninja World War? Tsunade strikes me as having the best strategic talents, that Katsuyu jutsu she used during the Pain invasion could clearly turn a major battle, providing both into and healing to a huge force.

I completely forgot about the killing of Kekkai Genkai users...and she's old enough to have had to have survived through that while having two of them.

Kabuto was beating her without that though, and easily. And Kabuto just used a normal soldier pill. It wouldn't have put him anywhere close to being able to take Jiraiya or Orochimaru. I just wish Tsunade would get a chance to show something besides healing and strength. Against Pein she had no choice but to heal, and not fight though. But with the war coming up, Hokage can't sit back and do nothing so maybe we'll get to see her, and the other Kage's get a full blown fight now that the Akatsuki is back also.

Whatever chakra Tsuchikage probably lost from his days of youth, he probably makes up for with deadly techniques and skills. Chakra size really doesn't mean strength anyway. Though he does like to try and make himself seem better than Gaara because Gaara is just a kid....

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, but he also did it because he was too scared to fight Madara. 😛 If you think about it, he also did it because he knew his son would be even more scared than he is. 😛
Blasphemy. You don't like Kakashi? estahuh

Pfft, Neji just wants to get it on with Hinata. He's lying about how far he can see with his Byakugan, so that Hinata can feel good about herself. 😛
Hebi Sasuke was nearly as awesome as Gaara. uhuh

Ahh, true true. Also, we didn't see everything she could do. She can use Boil and Lava Release, in addition to Fire, Earth & Water jutsu. Looks like she is an element specialist. A better one than Kakashi most likely. She should have had the Sharingan, then she'd be uber.
Yeah, Tsunade is relatively speaking, weaker when it comes to direct combat. She can still hold her own though. I wonder if her strength could get through Gaara's sand.

His supa dupa reflexes would help him avoid Gaara's attacks. 313

It had nothing to do with Madara. He just wanted his kid to be more special than Fugaku's kid who already had Itachi. While Kushina and Sasuke's mother was all friendly, Minato and Fugaku were in competition for who was going to be the better ninja.

lol Nope, never really been a fan of...any of team 7. I can stand Kakashi and Naruto but I don't really like them. Always liked Team 10 better. Except Ino..if only Hinata was part of Team 10....

😉 I bet Neji wants to make Hinata feel good. 😆

😠 Never.......though that was the most tolerable Sasuke. lol Gaara's been awesome the second he appeared 😛

Pft Kakashi's got sharingan he can't call himself an element specialist when he steals all his moves. Haha but yea Mei needs a fight. Maybe she'll be the Temari of the adult females. Kurenai, Anko, Shizune, and Tsunde don't get nothing but Mei will show some pwnage and show them how it's done.
If anybody could break through on pure strength it would be Tsunade....but nah it will never happen. lol

lol

Originally posted by Kento
It had nothing to do with Madara. He just wanted his kid to be more special than Fugaku's kid who already had Itachi. While Kushina and Sasuke's mother was all friendly, Minato and Fugaku were in competition for who was going to be the better ninja.

lol Nope, never really been a fan of...any of team 7. I can stand Kakashi and Naruto but I don't really like them. Always liked Team 10 better. Except Ino..if only Hinata was part of Team 10....

😉 I bet Neji wants to make Hinata feel good. 😆

😠 Never.......though that was the most tolerable Sasuke. lol Gaara's been awesome the second he appeared 😛

Pft Kakashi's got sharingan he can't call himself an element specialist when he steals all his moves. Haha but yea Mei needs a fight. Maybe she'll be the Temari of the adult females. Kurenai, Anko, Shizune, and Tsunde don't get nothing but Mei will show some pwnage and show them how it's done.
If anybody could break through on pure strength it would be Tsunade....but nah it will never happen. lol

lol

Looks like Fugaku won, as both sons are better than the blondie. peaches

TenTen would have been better for team Ten. 313
Hinata fits right where she belongs, into Team...Yuhi?

And wants to make Hanabi feel good too. HinaHanaNeji stoned

Nahh, Gaara's only been awesome since part 2. He was emo when he first appeared, and later become okay. Now, he's cool.
Fine, Hebi Sasuke was half as awesome as Gaara. Certainly more awesome than Naruto, that's for sure.

Anko needs to appear again. She was hawt. Kurenai too. She's a MILF. 313
Yeah, Mei definitely needs another fight. She's likely the strongest female in the manga currently. 5 different styles of jutsu is extreme.

Mei definitely impressed me. She did a great job against Sasuke and would have won if Zetsu hadn't interfered. Hell I think she won anyway given that Sasuke pretty much collapsed right after.


Kabuto was beating her without that though, and easily. And Kabuto just used a normal soldier pill. It wouldn't have put him anywhere close to being able to take Jiraiya or Orochimaru.

If Miss Slug Princess'd just summon Katsuyu she'd win easily, or used her regen, so it's not like Tsunade didn't have "I Win"s for that fight. I think she knew he could only keep dodging for a short time before the speed boost of the pill ran out and was planning to outlast him.

By the stats, she's noticeably better at him at taijutsu, and she was able to land hits on Orochimaru easier than she was on him, so I think while taijutsu's not his speciality Kabuto has really good evasion skills.

It's probably only because he had chakra scalpels that allowed inflicting damage with a light touch (thus he didn't have to commit himself as deeply as a full hit would. Sorta like hyuuga gentle fist) combined with the speed boost that he was able to inflict damage like that. Victory was still fairly inevitable for her though, she could heal his cuts all day while one punch would end him.

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I will admit that part of the reason I back her is I'm a sannin fan- every time we've seen any of them fight they always pull out a new trumpcard or jutsu that we haven't seen even in their prior high-level fights, without exception. So even when they perform less well, it's usually due to circumstances and they still have other big jutsu in their arsenals.

But with the war coming up, Hokage can't sit back and do nothing so maybe we'll get to see her, and the other Kage's get a full blown fight now that the Akatsuki is back also.

I hope so too 🙂


Whatever chakra Tsuchikage probably lost from his days of youth, he probably makes up for with deadly techniques and skills. Chakra size really doesn't mean strength anyway. Though he does like to try and make himself seem better than Gaara because Gaara is just a kid....

He's probably the most skilled, but just as Hiruzen wasn't as good as his prime, the same decrease likely applies, not just chakra but physical strength and speed. Cunning and techniques learned with time no doubt help somewhat but he's still likely overall declined in power.

okay then smartasses 😛

gaara can stay suspended in the air for a really really long time 😐

Tsuchikage can fly. ha-son