The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Looks like Fugaku won, as both sons are better than the blondie. peaches

TenTen would have been better for team Ten. 313
Hinata fits right where she belongs, into Team...Yuhi?

And wants to make Hanabi feel good too. HinaHanaNeji stoned

Nahh, Gaara's only been awesome since part 2. He was emo when he first appeared, and later become okay. Now, he's cool.
Fine, Hebi Sasuke was half as awesome as Gaara. Certainly more awesome than Naruto, that's for sure.

Anko needs to appear again. She was hawt. Kurenai too. She's a MILF. 313
Yeah, Mei definitely needs another fight. She's likely the strongest female in the manga currently. 5 different styles of jutsu is extreme.

Bah, TenTen fails in comparison to Hinata. But yes, she fits where she belongs. Asuma wouldn't have cared for her like Kurenai. 🙁

😠 Hanabi's to good for them.

He was crazy, and not in teh stoopid way Sasuke is. But in teh awesome way that Joker is. 😖hifty: Besides unlikes Sasuke, Gaara has awesome fights. Eh, Hebi Sasuke was as cool as Naruto, he's never better.

She does....Anko is the coolest female of Konoha. She need screen time...cool fights. 😱 Yes, yes Kurenai is.

Originally posted by Q99
By the stats, she's noticeably better at him at taijutsu, and she was able to land hits on Orochimaru easier than she was on him, so I think while taijutsu's not his speciality Kabuto has really good evasion skills.

He's probably the most skilled, but just as Hiruzen wasn't as good as his prime, the same decrease likely applies, not just chakra but physical strength and speed. Cunning and techniques learned with time no doubt help somewhat but he's still likely overall declined in power.

Hiruzen, like Konoha, also stopped doing much in time of peace. That may be another reason for him getting weaker. Mist, and Cloud kept getting stronger, Sand was always been the weakest, but we don't know what Stone did. But since Cloud was, Tsuchikage probably kept Stone strong, and probably didn't get as weak as Hiruzen did with age.

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
any ninja worth their salt?

how many ninja can you think of that can hit a target 500 feet up in the air? 😐

Any Genin, ever.

😐

Originally posted by Kento
[B]Didn't she like sucker punch Oro? Besides Oro was really weakened in that fight.

She grabbed him by the tongue and smashed him in the face while they were jumping around and fighting.

Oro didn't have his arms but was otherwise healthy so he should be as dodgey as ever, and she was sucker-stabbed by him several times first (including through the heart) as well as fighting Kabuto and getting a bout of her blood-weakness.

She does....Anko is the coolest female of Konoha. She need screen time...cool fights.

Yes! Naruto should ditch Sakura, Hinata, and Sasuke and go after Anko.

I suspect she's one of Leaf's best trackers considering she was on the 'track Kabuto/Akatsuki base' team and was given control of the forest of death test.

Hiruzen, like Konoha, also stopped doing much in time of peace. That may be another reason for him getting weaker. Mist, and Cloud kept getting stronger, Sand was always been the weakest, but we don't know what Stone did. But since Cloud was, Tsuchikage probably kept Stone strong, and probably didn't get as weak as Hiruzen did with age.

According to the conference, most of the villages went through disarmament after the last world war, not just Leaf.

There's an official stat on the various villages' might broken down into pop, military, and economy, rated 1-5 in each. Cloud and Stone both have a mil of 4, Leaf and Mist 3, and Sand 2. Though, notably, the Sand/Sound invasion which may've knocked them both down a little. The stats are from shortly before the Pain attack.

Aside from military, there's also population, where Leaf has a 5 to Stone's 4 and Cloud's 3 (2 for both Mist and Sand), so they can replace losses the easiest and probably fight an extended war better than the others too.

Economy, everyone has a 2 except for Cloud, who has 5. So if you total them all together, Cloud's in first (12 total) due to having the most money, Leaf and Stone are not far behind (10 total), and Mist and Sand both lag behind (7 and 6 respectively).

Originally posted by Kento
😛 But the whole world wished to protect Naruto, while the whole world wants to kill Sasuke and mostly everybody wished Itachi dead. Minato wins.

Bah, TenTen fails in comparison to Hinata. But yes, she fits where she belongs. Asuma wouldn't have cared for her like Kurenai.

Hanabi's to good for them.

He was crazy, and not in teh stoopid way Sasuke is. But in teh awesome way that Joker is. 😖hifty: Besides unlikes Sasuke, Gaara has awesome fights. Eh, Hebi Sasuke was as cool as Naruto, he's never better.

She does....Anko is the coolest female of Konoha. She need screen time...cool fights. Yes, yes Kurenai is.

Didn't she like sucker punch Oro? Besides Oro was really weakened in that fight.

Itachi protected Konoha from the wrath of the Uchiha & Madara, and Sasuke will help kill Madara. Fugaku wins. 😛

TenTen is worth Ten Hinatas. 313
Yeah, he likely would have taken advantage of her somehow 😆, not sexually though of course. Hiashi and Neji would try to kick his ass if he did. Not that they would succeed, coz he's too cool.

Exactly, she'll be the master of those two and would order them around in bed. 😉

He was a bat-shit insane psychopath. Far worse than Sasuke is currently. Also, Joker is too awesome to be compared to Gaara. uhuh
Pfft, Hebi Sasuke's fight against Deidara was far better than any fight Gaara's ever had. Plus, Deidara only needed C1 to beat Gaara. biscuits
Hebi Sasuke >>>> Naruto > Taka Sasuke. You know it's true.

Hopefully she'll get to be the one to kick Kabutorochimaru's snakey white ass.

Oro was hugely gimped in that fight anyway. He'd totally pwn Tsunade if they fought again.

I don't think Tsunade pulled anywhere near all the stops in that fight, and she won pretty comfortably even though she wasn't quite at full starting out either (though moreso than Oro).

It's kinda funny that the huge sannin three-way fight, one of the most epic battles the series had ever had at the time, involved all of them with handicaps and very limited jutsu use outside of summons.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Oro was hugely gimped in that fight anyway. He'd totally pwn Tsunade if they fought again.

Originally posted by Q99
I don't think Tsunade pulled anywhere near all the stops in that fight, and she won pretty comfortably even though she wasn't quite at full starting out either (though moreso than Oro).

The entire fight was a let-down; the equivalent of three legends playing ninja bingo in a retirement home. What was really strange is that Tsunade was the only one not suffering from a physical handicap and she still kind of sucked.

Originally posted by Q99
I don't think Tsunade pulled anywhere near all the stops in that fight, and she won pretty comfortably even though she wasn't quite at full starting out either (though moreso than Oro).

It's kinda funny that the huge sannin three-way fight, one of the most epic battles the series had ever had at the time, involved all of them with handicaps and very limited jutsu use outside of summons.

She didn't but Orochimaru did have to fight off both her and Jiraiya, and he could not use any of his numerous jutsu. Plus, I believe he tanked Tsunade's punch. That's no small feat, considering Tsunade has demonstrated the greatest striking power so far.

I agree. Jiraiya and Orochimaru were gimped for the entire encounter and the summons battle, while Tsunade was gimped for most of the encounter. All three of them going all out in a proper three-way fight (Sage Mode, Eight Branches Technique, Creation Rebirth etc.) would have been quite the sight.

That said, Tsunade is probably the weakest of the three, seeing as one has Imperfect Sage Mode, while the other's true form is a collection of White Snakes and also has a giant eight headed snake form.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Tsunde would pwn herself if they fought again. Seriously, what has she shown that puts her on Kage level other that Katsuya and Genesis Rebirth?(combat wise)

The entire fight was a let-down; the equivalent of three legends playing ninja bingo in a retirement home. What was really strange is that Tsunade was the only one not suffering from a physical handicap and she still kind of sucked.

Enough strength to really hurt someone, if not one-shot them. Plus she's fairly fast, and if she does not use her strength, she can screw up the nervous system of anyone she is able to hit.

She was suffering from her Haemophobia for most of the battle, but due to Creation Rebirth, she wasn't gimped for the summons battle like Orochimaru & Jiraiya were. Manda was likely the strongest summon in terms of combat prowess, but if Kabuto were not there, Orochimaru would not have been able to summon him.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
She didn't but Orochimaru did have to fight off both her and Jiraiya, and he could not use any of his numerous jutsu. Plus, I believe he tanked Tsunade's punch. That's no small feat, considering Tsunade has demonstrated the greatest striking power so far.

In the manga he was pretty much one-shotted, in bad shape from the one punch (though yea, the fact he wasn't outright killed shows he's tough), in the anime it was a combo.

That said, Tsunade is probably the weakest of the three, seeing as one has Imperfect Sage Mode, while the other's true form is a collection of White Snakes and also has a giant eight headed snake form.

Yea, from our current knowledge of her jutsu at least.

Enough strength to really hurt someone, if not one-shot them. Plus she's fairly fast, and if she does not use her strength, she can screw up the nervous system of anyone she is able to hit.

Indeed, she was absolutely toying with Naruto using just a single finger in taijutsu. Smushed or nerve-scrambled, most people'd go down to her in one shot.

It wouldn't surprise me if she had the most chakra of the three as well- Tsunade's a Senju/Uzumaki, and that's before getting into the yin-seal reserve.

Hm, considering the level of seal use she's shown she probably has other combat-useful seals too.

wakkawakkawakka
What was really strange is that Tsunade was the only one not suffering from a physical handicap and she still kind of sucked.

She won and barely had to bust out any jutsu aside from CR to do so.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Enough strength to really hurt someone, if not one-shot them. Plus she's fairly fast, and if she does not use her strength, she can screw up the nervous system of anyone she is able to hit.

She was suffering from her Haemophobia for most of the battle, but due to Creation Rebirth, she wasn't gimped for the summons battle like Orochimaru & Jiraiya were. Manda was likely the strongest summon in terms of combat prowess, but if Kabuto were not there, Orochimaru would not have been able to summon him.

In comparison to the other Kages, she still sucks IMO. Thanks to Genesis Rebirth she'd probably be the last person standing in a battle royale between the kages though.

I did only mention physical disadvange in my post. Her Hemophobio probaby stands in the "out of practice" category since she lost her loved ones in wars and tried to stay out of combat. If would've been real convinient for Tsunade to bring out those other talents she has in the Pein invasion before he levelled it with Shinra Tenshi. Just saying.

I don't see how she would be the last one standing, when several of the other kages could literally dismember her. 😐

Tsunade should get a sword like Gamabunta's and carry it around. That'd be a threat to almost everyone 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
Tsunade should get a sword like Gamabunta's and carry it around. That'd be a threat to almost everyone 🙂

Carrying it long distances would tire her out in of itself.

Also, Tsunade is a fair bit slower than guys like the Raikage, and would probably not get near Gaara or Mei.

I'm not so sure how good the regen of Genesis rebirth is so I just put that out there as an option. She wouldn't die instantly from being hit by one of A's clotheslines: just knocked the **** out! I'm still unsure how she fares with Gaara so I'd put my money on sandman until proven otherwise.

She'd have to duck, cover, and run like hell through the whole fight but she'd probably live......sort of.

Originally posted by Q99
In the manga he was pretty much one-shotted, in bad shape from the one punch (though yea, the fact he wasn't outright killed shows he's tough), in the anime it was a combo.

It went straight at his jaw. The jaw wasn't broken which also shows how durable he is, but yeah, he was hurt by the punch.
He was able to quickly stand up though, and he never used his regen technique. He's one tough mofo.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, from our current knowledge of her jutsu at least.

Yep.

Originally posted by Q99
Indeed, she was absolutely toying with Naruto using just a single finger in taijutsu. Smushed or nerve-scrambled, most people'd go down to her in one shot.

It wouldn't surprise me if she had the most chakra of the three as well- Tsunade's a Senju/Uzumaki, and that's before getting into the yin-seal reserve.

If we compared their base states? Maybe. I think Orochimaru would have more chakra than she would in their base states. Jiraiya does have a continuous imperfect Sage Mode, which should put his chakras far beyond those two, though Tsunade does have the chakra boost from the seal on her fore-head.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
In comparison to the other Kages, she still sucks IMO. Thanks to Genesis Rebirth she'd probably be the last person standing in a battle royale between the kages though.

I did only mention physical disadvange in my post. Her Hemophobio probaby stands in the "out of practice" category since she lost her loved ones in wars and tried to stay out of combat. If would've been real convinient for Tsunade to bring out those other talents she has in the Pein invasion before he levelled it with Shinra Tenshi. Just saying.

I think most people agree that she's likely the weakest of the Kages seen so far. Though if she landed a hit on any of the other current 4 Kages, they'd be one-shotted.

She's a medic-nin as well, and the best one in the Naruto-verse currently. This also means that the ability to dodge and avoid the attacks of her enemies is a key part of her fighting style. Granted, she wouldn't be able to dodge someone as fast as the Raikage, but dodging the attacks from some of the others should be no problem.

Well, a phobia is a physical disadvantage in most cases. >__>
Her being out of practice has nothing to do with her phobia. It's a phobia after all, which is an extreme irrational fear of something.
She did save a lot of people when Pein leveled Konoha.

Mm, while she's not the strongest, I personally doubt she's the weakest either. The "constant regening with the best super strength in the series" is what we've seen, but if she had elemental jutsu or similar to put that large chakra through it'd be another big threat, and the yin seal and seal she used to communicate/heal via all the Katsuya bits both imply she's a seal master and can probably do more stuff with that.

Considering the strong respect other S-class give to her power, I do think the odds of her having big offensive jutsu or even other S-rank moves we haven't seen are very high.

If would've been real convinient for Tsunade to bring out those other talents she has in the Pein invasion before he levelled it with Shinra Tenshi. Just saying.

Unless she actually managed to kill him before he could pull it off, she probably did more good this way. Preserving everyone in the village beats other concerns.

I usually do not rely on the Databook in threads, but since it is literally the ONLY indication of Tsunade's chakra we have, she has a rank of 4.

Which is good, but apparently below Jiraiya's 5, and above Oro's 3.5.

So yeah, dunno why we should assume that she has alot of chakra, at least in comparison to other S-Class.

Originally posted by Q99
Mm, while she's not the strongest, I personally doubt she's the weakest either. The "constant regening with the best super strength in the series" is what we've seen, but if she had elemental jutsu or similar to put that large chakra through it'd be another big threat, and the yin seal and seal she used to communicate/heal via all the Katsuya bits both imply she's a seal master and can probably do more stuff with that.

Considering the strong respect other S-class give to her power, I do think the odds of her having big offensive jutsu or even other S-rank moves we haven't seen are very high.

Unless she actually managed to kill him before he could pull it off, she probably did more good this way. Preserving everyone in the village beats other concerns.

Even if she were the weakest of the Kages seen so far, that still shows that she is very strong, as she's still Kage-level.
While she could be the 'weakest' in direct combat, she would be far more instrumental in a war than most of the others would.
Also, she states that she converts her chakra into electricity, in order to disrupt a person's nervous system. Perhaps she can use Raiton techs?

Likely. We didn't see Sage Mode until Jiraiya's last battle, so if Tsunade were to have another battle, I think it's safe to say that we would see another new technique.

Uh, not sure who could really be pinned as the weakest Kage thus far honestly.

The Tsuchikage for example has not shown alot, although I am guessing he is a kind of "Squishy Wizard," weak in melee, but has powerful ninjutsu and has more versatility with it as well.

Also, if we were to broaden this term to include S-Class in general, there would be some weaker than Tsunade, I would wager Tsunade could destroy Hidan for instance.

NemeBro
I usually do not rely on the Databook in threads, but since it is literally the ONLY indication of Tsunade's chakra we have, she has a rank of 4.

Which is good, but apparently below Jiraiya's 5, and above Oro's 3.5.

So yeah, dunno why we should assume that she has alot of chakra, at least in comparison to other S-Class.

Hm, that makes sense. I guess she takes off of Senju more than Uzumaki then.

Stamina rating isn't purely chakra, experienced ninja seem better able to make chakra with the same stamina than weaker ones (Naruto started out with stamina 4 but no-way did he come close to Orochimaru's chakra), but for comparing across S-class it works.

And there is the huge chakra in the yin seal in any case.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Also, she states that she converts her chakra into electricity, in order to disrupt a person's nervous system. Perhaps she can use Raiton techs?

It doesn't seem unlikely.

NemeBro

Also, if we were to broaden this term to include S-Class in general, there would be some weaker than Tsunade, I would wager Tsunade could destroy Hidan for instance.

Poor Hidan, he's always getting beat up by the rest of the S-class 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, that makes sense. I guess she takes off of Senju more than Uzumaki then.

Stamina rating isn't purely chakra, experienced ninja seem better able to make chakra with the same stamina than weaker ones (Naruto started out with stamina 4 but no-way did he come close to Orochimaru's chakra), but for comparing across S-class it works.

And there is the huge chakra in the yin seal in any case.

Edit: Also, Tsunade has some of the best chakra control in the series, is the reason for her prowess as a medic and her super strength. So if what you say is true, then even with her amount of chakra and the control, is not in the top of the series.

IMO the people with the strongest chakras other than hosts would be guys like Kisame, A, and probably Madara if his chakra itself is the reason for his apparent immortality.

Also, in Hidan's case, it is mostly because he is a careless idiot. 😐

Though he may have been less careless were he not partnered with Kakuzu, who could easily repair him.