Originally posted by Q99
If he had Kimimaru's body, he would've switched first before even going after Tsunade probably (hm, odd side effect: Tsunade may or may not become Kage this path, convincing her would at least go differently), and be recovering sooner. Also, he wouldn't necessarily have gone for retrieval right then.
Well what if he went to Tsunade because he couldn't switch bodies at the time? Maybe the time hadn't run out yet. And Tsunade might have still become Hokage, though yeah it wouldn't have been handled the same way. Well, unless my theory that he couldn't switch bodies at the time held truth to it. And going after Sasuke when he did was probably the best time to do it, considering the Village was recovering from the attack and that would probably mean security was down a bit more than usual.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well what if he went to Tsunade because he couldn't switch bodies at the time? Maybe the time hadn't run out yet. And Tsunade might have still become Hokage, though yeah it wouldn't have been handled the same way. Well, unless my theory that he couldn't switch bodies at the time held truth to it. And going after Sasuke when he did was probably the best time to do it, considering the Village was recovering from the attack and that would probably mean security was down a bit more than usual.
At the time he went to her because neither of his preferred hosts were available (Kimi was sick and Sasuke was still in Konoha) and he needed non-sealed arms to function, the sealing of them was making his current host break down much faster.
He could've switched instead of going to her, but lacking Kimimaru it was a clear second-best choice that'd result in, well, pretty much exactly what happened in canon. A non-special host that'd delay his obtaining of Sasuke's body for years.
Originally posted by Q99
At the time he went to her because neither of his preferred hosts were available (Kimi was sick and Sasuke was still in Konoha) and he needed non-sealed arms to function, the sealing of them was making his current host break down much faster.He could've switched instead of going to her, but lacking Kimimaru it was a clear second-best choice that'd result in, well, pretty much exactly what happened in canon. A non-special host that'd delay his obtaining of Sasuke's body for years.
Getting Sasuke from Konoha wouldn't have been that difficult though. He was able to infiltrate the first time under the radar for the most part, and so could the Sound Four. He had the option of getting Sasuke but chose Tsunade instead, which makes me believe that even though his host was breaking down, he didn't have time for the technique.
Originally posted by killermover
You sure about that? Even I know Bee with Samehada is broken as shit and last time we saw Sasuke take on Bee he got shit stomped twice.And I'm a Sasuke fan and a KB hater. What would EMS do to a guy who has perfect control of his tailed beast, peak shinobi strength, agilty and endurance, a master swordsman + parasite that sucks all chakra and stamina from the opponent?
EMS is no where near Naruto's power I'll tell you that because Madara fought Shodai with the EMS and he got rapped by him. Naruto's got Sage Mode, Senjutsu, Shima and Fuma and Rikudou Mode powered by the nine tails chakra.
Sasuke is way out of his league, unless EMS has some sort of kyrptonite powers or makes him thanos level.
1) That fight had so many external factors that I no longer consider it an actual fight in the sense. Sasuke was still recuperating from his fight with Itachi and had Taka with him, while Kirabi was barely serious. Not to mention, Sasuke barely had any control over his MS.
2) Kirabi without Samehada has no way to get past Susano'o, not unless he goes into Hachibi mode, and we all know that he's a sitting duck for Amaterasu in that form.
Raikage had quite a bit of trouble getting through the lowest form of Susano'o we've seen. Sasuke's current Susano'o has the same armor that Itachi's version had, which means that it will be far more durable. It can also fire off perfectly accurate arrows that are too fast for a ninja with the Sharingan to dodge.
Kirabi with Samehada might be able to absorb it though, as it is a chakra construct.
3) We don't know just how powerful EMS is. It gave birth to a completely new jutsu (perhaps it was what allowed Madara to copy Hashirama's power completely), and the Blindness aspect that saddled the MS is removed.
Plus, Sasuke could suppress the Kyuubi with his regular Sharingan. 😐
4) I was not being serious, as Kento pointed out.
5) Sasuke will gain the ability to cancel any jutsu/power-up thanks to his EMS. peaches
6) I get the feeling that the final Sasuke & Naruto fight will either end in a shallow victory for Sasuke in lieu of VotE, or the fight will end in a draw, and they'll team up to stop Madara.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Zabuza was indeed very awesome. Who is the greatest though?
Definitely Orochimaru. He was also ruthless, sadistic, badass and had no regard for life in general.
I consider Madara to be more 'evil' as his schemes for power involve far more than immortality, and he is [directly and indirectly] responsible for the Kyuubi's attack & its subsequent sealing into Naruto; Orochimaru's the better villain though IMO.
Orochimaru has also been the cause of Naruto's pain in the earlier part of Part 2, seeing as he tempted away Naruto's one true love.
Originally posted by Kento
Maybe his space/time jutsu isn't sharingan related so Rinnegan will be fine in his eyes. That or Sharingan + Rinnegan make super eye with all old abilities.💃 Power of Itachi's love will conquer all against Sasuke.
Sharinnegan?
Spoiler:vin...no seriously. He wants to sync Sasuke with the Statue of the Outer Path.
He'll give the Rinnegan to Sasuke
Uchiha Hatred > Uchiha Love x Uzumaki Love
Originally posted by Kento
I wonder though. If he can only hold a body for 3 years...what is the point of wanting people like Kimi and Sasuke who would make much better men than hosts. When he keeps his power as he switched bodies, but needs time to recover after switching. Having Kimi and Sasuke and Kabuto watching over him when he's in weak state like that. He'd be hard to touch even when he's weakened.
The bodies that last 3 years are those of generic ninja, which could not contain someone as powerful as Orochimaru. Orochimaru wanted to train Sasuke so that his body would be powerful enough to handle Orochimaru's essence. Orochimaru would have the Sharingan for far longer than 3 years. Plus, he'd be in a 16 year old kid's body. POWAH! of Youth (Gai) + Vast repertoire of techniques (Hiruzen) + Sharingan (Sasuke) = HAX!
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Getting Sasuke from Konoha wouldn't have been that difficult though. He was able to infiltrate the first time under the radar for the most part, and so could the Sound Four. He had the option of getting Sasuke but chose Tsunade instead, which makes me believe that even though his host was breaking down, he didn't have time for the technique.
Remember, no arms and not a lot of jutsu as a result, and no big batch of foreign ninja to sneak in with.
Infiltrating at that point personally would be quite a bit more difficult, and wereas the Four were greeted with 'whoever we can spare, mostly good rookies, plus a call to Sand who sent one squad' a chance to eliminate Orochimaru would be met with Jonin and ANBU and sand'd send several squads.
He's a much higher value target than Sasuke was and sans arms, there's a good chance he'd die.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
1) That fight had so many external factors that I no longer consider it an actual fight in the sense. Sasuke was still recuperating from his fight with Itachi and had Taka with him, while Kirabi was barely serious. Not to mention, Sasuke barely had any control over his MS.2) Kirabi without Samehada has no way to get past Susano'o, not unless he goes into Hachibi mode, and we all know that he's a sitting duck for Amaterasu in that form.
Raikage had quite a bit of trouble getting through the lowest form of Susano'o we've seen. Sasuke's current Susano'o has the same armor that Itachi's version had, which means that it will be far more durable. It can also fire off perfectly accurate arrows that are too fast for a ninja with the Sharingan to dodge.
Kirabi with Samehada might be able to absorb it though, as it is a chakra construct.
^ sasuke got his ass killed like twice, almost thrice, and B wrote lyrics during the fight.... c'mon son
sasuke solo would have been one panel'd
most importantly, B couldn't have cared less about that fight, it was just a good distraction for him.
Originally posted by Q99
Remember, no arms and not a lot of jutsu as a result, and no big batch of foreign ninja to sneak in with.Infiltrating at that point personally would be quite a bit more difficult, and wereas the Four were greeted with 'whoever we can spare, mostly good rookies, plus a call to Sand who sent one squad' a chance to eliminate Orochimaru would be met with Jonin and ANBU and sand'd send several squads.
He's a much higher value target than Sasuke was and sans arms, there's a good chance he'd die.
He could just summon Manda, blitz through Konoha and take Sasuke from the hospital. There was no one in Konoha who would have been able to stop him.
After all, Sasuke was unconscious at the time, and Konoha was still recovering from the aftermath of Orochimaru's previous attack.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He could just summon Manda, blitz through Konoha and take Sasuke from the hospital. There was no one in Konoha who would have been able to stop him.
After all, Sasuke was unconscious at the time, and Konoha was still recovering from the aftermath of Orochimaru's previous attack.
Danzo for one, and he'd do it since they were looking for the next Kage at the time and there'd be few better means than offing Orochimaru in the midst of a second attack.
Also, simply groups of ninja who are moderately strong. There's almost certainly going to be at least a handful of jonin and special jonin they can throw in, and ninja they can pull off other tasks in-village.
Missions were on rapid cycle so none'll spend that long in town, but there's always going to be someone just coming back or about to go off.
Originally posted by Q99
Danzo for one, and he'd do it since they were looking for the next Kage at the time and there'd be few better means than offing Orochimaru in the midst of a second attack.Also, simply groups of ninja who are moderately strong. There's almost certainly going to be at least a handful of jonin and special jonin they can throw in, and ninja they can pull off other tasks in-village.
Missions were on rapid cycle so none'll spend that long in town, but there's always going to be someone just coming back or about to go off.
While he's on Manda? I highly doubt it. Manda's a Giant-Summon sized beast, and is incredibly fast.
Manda can also burrow underground.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
While he's on Manda? I highly doubt it. Manda's a Giant-Summon sized beast, and is incredibly fast.
Manda can also burrow underground.
Danzo has his nightmare-beast, and I'm sure he's not the only one with summons/ability to handle summons around. Remember the ANBU squad who fought one of Pain's summons in a cool manner.
And summons are vulnerable to genjutsu. Kurenai or Danzo with Shisui's eye would be major obstacles that might be able to stop the assault.
Heck, there's a chance Gai might be in town too, as Lee was in the hospital at the time period too he probably tried to stay close more than normal.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not that it matters as the Sound 4 could easily sneak in and get him, as could Orochimaru or Kabuto.
I wouldn't be so sure. They were noticed the other times they snuck in after all, and Sasuke was likely under guard.
Orochimaru'd have to sneak in as someone without working arms, henge won't change that aspect.
Konoha guards suck. Look at how easily Kabuto got passed them. He could do so again, and more easily at that. No Kakashi to get in the way.
Sound 4 might have a bit more of a problem, but Tayuya does have genjutsu to help. And they were able to disguise themselves efficiently enough that even Anbu and Jonin didn't notice them.
Orochimaru disguises himself as an elderly man.
Originally posted by Q99
Danzo has his nightmare-beast, and I'm sure he's not the only one with summons/ability to handle summons around. Remember the ANBU squad who fought one of Pain's summons in a cool manner.And summons are vulnerable to genjutsu. Kurenai or Danzo with Shisui's eye would be major obstacles that might be able to stop the assault.
Heck, there's a chance Gai might be in town too, as Lee was in the hospital at the time period too he probably tried to stay close more than normal.
Manda could probably just strangle it before it started its vacuum suck.
Difference being that Orochimaru's main concern would not be to attack Konoha, but to find Sasuke. Given Manda's speed and burrowing ability, I find his chances of getting around Konoha without much trouble to be very high.
Even if they somehow managed to put him under genjutsu, it would likely be promptly broken by Kabuto, who would naturally be with Orochimaru.
True, Gai might be there. I doubt he'd bust out the Gates though, as I don't think he'd want to hurt anyone else with his Gate techs.
Its still a mystery why Orochimaru didn't just have Kabuto try to capture Sasuke after the whole invasion thing. I doubt Orochimaru would even need Manda for infiltration purposes seeing as how fodder snake summons are fairly large in themselves.
If Danzo really gave a damn about Orochimaru, he wouldn't have let the leaf become busted to hell: I should mention he did this twice.
IMO Kurenai and Asuma would me more likely to be there than Gai. But once again that's just me
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ sasuke got his ass killed like twice, almost thrice, and B wrote lyrics during the fight.... c'mon sonsasuke solo would have been one panel'd
most importantly, B couldn't have cared less about that fight, it was just a good distraction for him.
Yeah, that Sasuke would have lost easily, I'm not going to dispute that.
Sasuke with full Susano'o wouldn't though. Without going into Hachibi form, Kirabi's V2 Lariat is about the only attack Kirabi has that could probably get through Completed Susano'o.
Hence the "Kirabi was barely serious" part.
Originally posted by Kento
He'd probably still be alive, and not have trained Sasuke. Wonder why Kimi was the first person he went after with a KG. 😆 That's like one guy I dislike almost as much as Jagi.