The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Kento
😆 I more confuse it with whoever does Katekyo Hitman Reborn..cause I don't read Bleach....Didn't even know there was a guy in Bleach named that lol.

True.

I don't know. Saru isn't one to underestimate. He's probably a lot smarter than Oro when it comes to tactics, and stuff.

Eh, as said Itachi would be after Minato, and then in Naruto's generation.... Neji or Sasuke would be the ones debated on. Naruto isn't a genius. He just has stamina to overcome anything. He can do things others can't because of Kyuubi. He is still not close to being great at chakra control.

There is no proof either way. So not gonna argue that lol.

Okay, can't really argue with any of that.

I can say that Naruto is a super super super genius in his own right, mastering absurd techniques in minutes to days that took other geniuses years to decades. The only instance of "super" training was with the rasenshuriken. Other than that, Naruto only trained at most, 2-3 clones at a time when he did his sage training. That's still miles and miles ahead of Jiraiya (Jiraiya is easily one of the strongest in the series.)

Also, Naruto's tactics are just as good as any one else's. Just look at all of the tricky stuff he's thought up, tricking even top-tier S-class ninjas.

Yea, Naruto is pretty clever with his tactics, he's good at doing the unexpected.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He used a sharingan for that kunai trick.

At an out-of-sight target?

And, Itachi's taijutsu goes way down without his sharingan. His speed, however, can remain the same, but it does take a hit for combat.

I'm not sure how much it would. I mean, probably not more-so than Kakashi's goes down without his.

I don't think they'd be S-class material...cept for Kakashi. Kakashi's dad was one of the most powerful (kage level) and Kakashi is supposed to have surpassed him.

I think sharingan-less Itachi would be stronger than Asuma and the like, and Asuma's about as powerful as one can get without being S-class IMO.

Originally posted by Kento
I don't know. Saru isn't one to underestimate. He's probably a lot smarter than Oro when it comes to tactics, and stuff.

Eh, as said Itachi would be after Minato, and then in Naruto's generation.... Neji or Sasuke would be the ones debated on. Naruto isn't a genius. He just has stamina to overcome anything. He can do things others can't because of Kyuubi. He is still not close to being great at chakra control.

There is no proof either way. So not gonna argue that lol.

Orochimaru's strength at the age of 15-16 was nothing compared to Pre-Hebi Sasuke. Just a reminder.

Yeah, Neji & Sasuke are the obvious choices for their generation. Neji has mastered Main Family Techs just by looking at them , while Sasuke is Sasuke. 😛
Lee and Naruto are genii when it comes to hard work though. Lee can open 5 gates, something no Genin or even likely Chunin should be able to do, while Naruto has the whole "I can master any S-Level shit in days thanks to my awesome stamina" schtick going for him.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm not sure how much it would. I mean, probably not more-so than Kakashi's goes down without his.

I think sharingan-less Itachi would be stronger than Asuma and the like, and Asuma's about as powerful as one can get without being S-class IMO.

Kakashi loses Raikiri and Chidori as well if he loses his Sharingan. Plus his visual reaction goes down immensely, which is the case for Itachi also.

On the whole, I don't know where Itachi would stand if he did not have his Sharingan. You have people like Lee and Gai who are excellent taijutsu specialists. If Itachi had never activated his Sharingan, I still think he'd be S-Class, but with a different style. He's a genius after all.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Kakashi loses Raikiri and Chidori as well if he loses his Sharingan. Plus his visual reaction goes down immensely, which is the case for Itachi also.

Yea, though fortunately nowadays he has variants like the lightning hound.

On the whole, I don't know where Itachi would stand if he did not have his Sharingan. You have people like Lee and Gai who are excellent taijutsu specialists. If Itachi had never activated his Sharingan, I still think he'd be S-Class, but with a different style. He's a genius after all.

He'd definitely be a distance specialist, and have to be more cautious. He might use fire techniques more.

Even his normal techniques were pretty darn deadly.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Orochimaru's strength at the age of 15-16 was nothing compared to Pre-Hebi Sasuke. Just a reminder.

Yeah, Neji & Sasuke are the obvious choices for their generation. Neji has mastered Main Family Techs just by looking at them , while Sasuke is Sasuke. 😛
Lee and Naruto are genii when it comes to hard work though. Lee can open 5 gates, something no Genin or even likely Chunin should be able to do, while Naruto has the whole "I can master any S-Level shit in days thanks to my awesome stamina" schtick going for him.

Oh right Sasuke is Sasuke. So Neji is THE genius of their generation. . 😛

What's up with all this Hanabi shit you all never shut up about?

****ing pedo bullshit man...

You know.....I'm not sure what is up with why I do it. 😕

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Kakashi loses Raikiri and Chidori as well if he loses his Sharingan. Plus his visual reaction goes down immensely, which is the case for Itachi also.

He does not. He loses the ability to strike really fast oponents with it because he will have no way to see "ahead" when they go to move. A slow to average speed ninjas will easily fall to it. Besides, I haven't seen very many time he used in which he needed the sharingan where he needed that prediction: he usually uses it stealthily...like....get this...A NINJA! 😆 😆 Okay, Okay, I'm done...I'll stop. 😆

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
On the whole, I don't know where Itachi would stand if he did not have his Sharingan. You have people like Lee and Gai who are excellent taijutsu specialists. If Itachi had never activated his Sharingan, I still think he'd be S-Class, but with a different style. He's a genius after all.

Well, that's a very damn good point. The unknown plus Itachi's very big brain makes us wonder: would Itachi have greatly excelled in other areas without his kekkei ghenkai?

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, Naruto is pretty clever with his tactics, he's good at doing the unexpected.

At an out-of-sight target?

I'm not sure how much it would. I mean, probably not more-so than Kakashi's goes down without his.

I think sharingan-less Itachi would be stronger than Asuma and the like, and Asuma's about as powerful as one can get without being S-class IMO.

Naruto is given a 3.5 on his intelligence and deserves every bit of that. If he weren't such a "book smarts" idiot, he'd easily be a 5 due to using intelligent tricks and tactics that rival everyone except probably Shika and Kakashi.

Raikage is probably the stupidest kage ever, btw. 😐 He is absurdly powerful, though...so I don't see a need for it when he can just lightning flash his way through any fight.

And, yes, I thought Itachi had to use his sharingan to see behind that rock. Didn't Nemebro and I have this argument? HEY! Nemebro, what did we conclude, there? I don't remember? I Just assume I'm always right so I forgot. 😆

Sharingan can't see through rocks, that's byakugan 🙂

Well, that's a very damn good point. The unknown plus Itachi's very big brain makes us wonder: would Itachi have greatly excelled in other areas without his kekkei ghenkai?

He's obviously spent a lot of effort mastering his eye powers. If he spent the same effort on normal jutsu, I'd expect he'd have an S-class or two (and we already see him throw around As and Bs).

Naruto is given a 3.5 on his intelligence and deserves every bit of that. If he weren't such a "book smarts" idiot, he'd easily be a 5 due to using intelligent tricks and tactics that rival everyone except probably Shika and Kakashi.

Raikage is probably the stupidest kage ever, btw. He is absurdly powerful, though...so I don't see a need for it when he can just lightning flash his way through any fight.

Agreed on all points.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, yes, I thought Itachi had to use his sharingan to see behind that rock. Didn't Nemebro and I have this argument? HEY! Nemebro, what did we conclude, there? I don't remember? I Just assume I'm always right so I forgot. 😆

But Raikage is not actually stupid. 😐

MYTH.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He does not. He loses the ability to strike really fast oponents with it because he will have no way to see "ahead" when they go to move. A slow to average speed ninjas will easily fall to it. Besides, I haven't seen very many time he used in which he needed the sharingan where he needed that prediction: he usually uses it stealthily...like....get this...A NINJA! 😆 😆 Okay, Okay, I'm done...I'll stop. 😆

It's a double-edged technique without the Sharingan as he moves far too fast for his regular eyes to properly take in info. Hence, if any random ninja tries to attempt a counter-attack, Kakashi won't be able to see the counter-attack.
That first time he failed in landing the Chidori (where he had to be saved by Minato) probably would have been enough to stop him from using the Chidori ever again...had he not acquired Obito's Sharingan that is. Seeing as he would not use Chidori in its proper form without the Sharingan, he obviously wouldn't refine it into Raikiri.

He could still simply just stab someone with his electrified right hand though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, that's a very damn good point. The unknown plus Itachi's very big brain makes us wonder: would Itachi have greatly excelled in other areas without his kekkei ghenkai?

Very likely. He is a genius among the Uchiha, and they're supposed to be very good at every form of combat.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Naruto is given a 3.5 on his intelligence and deserves every bit of that. If he weren't such a "book smarts" idiot, he'd easily be a 5 due to using intelligent tricks and tactics that rival everyone except probably Shika and Kakashi.

Raikage is probably the stupidest kage ever, btw. 😐 He is absurdly powerful, though...so I don't see a need for it when he can just lightning flash his way through any fight.

Actually, Naruto has 3. If it came to battle tactics and such, I'd give him at least a 4.

Though the stats are ghey in some cases, which is why I don't like to refer to them.
Neji's a 3 in Intelligence. Gaara has a 4 compared to Sasuke's 3.5, who at one point, tactically outmaneuvered Deidara, a 4.5.
Naruto's strength stat is also the same as Sasuke's, and they are both higher than Sakura. 😐
Meh.

how many copies are sold for Naruto? Cos i've hear DBZ sold more and that ONe Piece us the best selling.

Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
how many copies are sold for Naruto? Cos i've hear DBZ sold more and that ONe Piece us the best selling.

A lot, over a hundred million copies (breaking the boundary as-of last March). DBZ's been around longer and has sold over 150 million.

One Piece, on the other hand, blows them both out of the water as the only manga to ever sell 200 mil +.

Here's a one-month sales chart from fairly recently of the top 10 in Japan:

Sales Ranking Series by Series
*1, 15,220,095 One Piece
*2, *4,178,598 Naruto
*3, *3,616,942 Fairy Tail
*4, *3,169,048 Fullmetal Alchemist
*5, *3,029,300 Nodame Cantabile
*6, *2,626,932 Bleach
*7, *2,533,556 Kimi ni Todoke
*8, *2,376,060 Gintama
*9, *2,083,508 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
10, *1,574,448 Bakuman

As you can see, The others do not come close, but Naruto's got a fairly good lead within the pack. It's crazy.

Originally posted by Q99
A lot, over a hundred million copies. DBZ's been around longer and has sold over 150 million.

One Piece, on the other hand, blows them both out of the water as the only manga to ever sell 200 mil +.

Here's a one-month sales chart from fairly recently of the top 10 in Japan:

Sales Ranking Series by Series
*1, 15,220,095 One Piece
*2, *4,178,598 Naruto
*3, *3,616,942 Fairy Tail
*4, *3,169,048 Fullmetal Alchemist
*5, *3,029,300 Nodame Cantabile
*6, *2,626,932 Bleach
*7, *2,533,556 Kimi ni Todoke
*8, *2,376,060 Gintama
*9, *2,083,508 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
10, *1,574,448 Bakuman

As you can see, The others do not come close. It's crazy.

THank you so much!

wow! i can't believe One Piece is doing better than Naruto and DBZ

Originally posted by Kento
But nobodies ever been at Sasuke's level, except Hanbi and Konohamaru.

Oh right Sasuke is Sasuke. So Neji is THE genius of their generation. . 😛

Neji may be a genius in their generation, but Sasuke is the kind of genius with high talent that appears only once in a century. 😛

Srsly though, both Orochimaru and Minato have been called that by the 3rd and Jiraiya respectively.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, though fortunately nowadays he has variants like the lightning hound.

He'd definitely be a distance specialist, and have to be more cautious. He might use fire techniques more.

Even his normal techniques were pretty darn deadly.

True. However, he also wouldn't have his vast arsenal of jutsu. Probably just Raiton techs, and a couple of Suiton & Doton techs.
How many gates can Kakashi open? I know he can open at least 1.

Yeah. Still, personally, I think he'd excel in all three kinds of ninja combat. He's extremely intelligent, and that's a plus for genjutsu. He's obviously fast, which helps with Taijutsu. Then there are his Katon jutsu. Seeing as Sasuke created a new Katon tech, I don't see why Itachi couldn't as well.

It's worth noting both have gone past Dragon Ball in length (DB manga: 42 volumes total. Naruto: 52, One Piece: 59).

They both do a good job at keeping people interested even over time, but One Piece does a better job at continuing to hook in new readers too 🙂

Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
THank you so much!

wow! i can't believe One Piece is doing better than Naruto and DBZ

I wonder how much money Oda must have made from his sales...

The scary thing is, Naruto's clearly moving towards the end game, while OP feels like it still has a whole wide world it is going to explore.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Neji may be a genius in their generation, but Sasuke is the kind of genius with high talent that appears only once in a century. 😛

Srsly though, both Orochimaru and Minato have been called that by the 3rd and Jiraiya respectively.

True. However, he also wouldn't have his vast arsenal of jutsu. Probably just Raiton techs, and a couple of Suiton & Doton techs.
How many gates can Kakashi open? I know he can open at least 1.

Yeah. Still, personally, I think he'd excel in all three kinds of ninja combat. He's extremely intelligent, and that's a plus for genjutsu. He's obviously fast, which helps with Taijutsu. Then there are his Katon jutsu. Seeing as Sasuke created a new Katon tech, I don't see why Itachi couldn't as well.

You forgot Shino. He is the genius among their generation