You forgot S+ & SS+ (for hyped characters like Prime Hiruzen Sarutobi & Hashirama/Madara with Kyuubi) estahuh
Otherwise, I agree with the setup. The highest rank would be reserved for the Sage of the Six Paths only right now.
Currently, I don't mind having "-" ranks for A onwards, but S- would be just crappy.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I still don't get how Kimimaro is an A+, I think a regular A is just fine for him.
He almost beat Gaara and Lee at the same time, and they hadn't really even hurt him. Taijutsu wise, he's one of the best we've seen period, and that 'make a giant pit of bone spikes' move will kill most people.
Healthy, I see him at S-.
Demonic PhoenixCurrently, I don't mind having "-" ranks for A onwards, but S- would be just crappy.
S- seems like the perfect category for Hidan to me. He's more powerful than an A+, but also clearly weaker than pretty much every S you can name.
Also I'd say Hebi Sasuke and possibly Kimimaro aren't really on the level of the full S-classes, while being more powerful than an A+.
Possibly part-1 Kakashi as well. People certainly talk about his strength even more-so than the A+ ninja and treat him as one of Konoha's most famous, and he has the S-class jutsu raikiri. He's just not yet at the 'full' S-class level he will be at.
Or we just go with the whole S, S+, SS, SS+, SSS dealS- is just classless.
If it's just an aesthetics thing, I'll point out the list is supposed to tell us more about power and level.
I'm not really sure what the advantage to more letters like that would be. That method gets you Hidan and Kakuzu or Deidara in the same level, and I think we need more detail than that.
There's several people who can fight with S-class people, while still being below the normal level of the Akatsuki.
Baki - He hasn't shown anything that puts him in Asuma's or Yamato's class.
True, I just assumed A+ due to him being chosen as the sand sibling's teacher, as well as clearly having an important spot on their jonin council.
Haku - He's too high in the tier list. He was beaten by pre-Chuunin exam Sasuke when they fought, forcing him to resort to his trump card. His Ice mirrors, while sturdy, can likely be broken down with enough force.
Note he was facing Naruto and Sasuke at the same time, and they were clearly being played with (Haku did not want them dead), and he even got a kill shot on Sasuke.
And 'enough force' is more than Sasuke could put out by a fair bit, and even pre-Chunin exam Sasuke was easily the strongest of the rookie 9 between C class fire jutsu and the Sharingan (probably at least C- then, maybe C).
Heck, even when Naruto went fox-mode, he escaped him easily to go help out Zabuza.
Considering it was two on one, Haku took no damage at all until the fox came out, and even at that point he escaped easily, all without trying hard? Yea, that's C+ in my book.
Kurenai - Kurenai's got excellent genjutsu mastery, but we don't know how good she is in other areas. Her only combat appearance had her shafted.
If we go by the stats, she's excellent in taijutsu and ninjutsu too (though her strength's a bit low). She was able to defend against Itachi's taijutsu went they fought.
Also, the fact that she's considered the very best-best in Genjutsu in Konoha makes me want to put her in A+. If it takes a mastered sharingan to escape, that's going to be pretty devastating in most fights.
Maybe not the strongest A+, but she strikes me as in it, and they do refer to her as one of the 'elite' jonin along with Gai, Kakashi, and Asuma.
Is Neji during the Sasuke Retrieval arc more powerful than he is during the Chuunin Exam arc? I think he likely is, but I don't know if it is a big enough of a gap to warrant a listing.
What about Chouji & Kiba during the SR arc?
Yea, I think he is stronger. Maybe not massively, but up to B- perhaps. According to the databooks, his taijutsu, ninjutsu (that is, chakra projection for rotation and such), intelligence, speed, and stamina all improved. Only the intelligence is really obvious, but Neji doesn't really gain additional jutsu at any point, he just gets better with them.
Chouji and Kiba, definitely. Chouji had an improved version of his human bullet (with spikes), added the pills to his arsenal, and just generally fights better.
Kiba added the two-headed dog mode to his arsenal for starters.
Most of the rest of your changes I think I agree with.
Originally posted by stickman618
he can? when did they say that?
The jutsu he used to copy Kisame with was said to be able to, I believe.
Of course it had very little chakra and ultimately was not very effective in battle save as a decoy.
We don't know if each individual one can pull that off either, it could be something the main Zetsu has to do to them.
Originally posted by stickman618
i thought they just used the doppelganger jutsu usin Zetsu's body
It's a special Zetsu-only one though. Normally dopplegangers revert when dead, and can't use the original owner's jutsu. His can do both (Pain's could do the latter, and had more chakra than Zetsu's, but also had to be remote controlled and reverted upon death).
Originally posted by psycho gundam
raikage just opens one chackra gate or eats one food pill and he's going to dunk the moon (no racial) into his next opponent's open mouth
Hm... let's see.... what if someone opened all 8 gates, ate the final food pill, and activated a Yin seal (aka Tsunade's chakra storage unit) at the same time?
Originally posted by marwash22
1. You'd be unstoppable.
2. Even if your body can take the strain, you're definitely gonna die afterward.
I'm trying to figure out what body could take that strain.
Maybe a healthy Kimimaro body... infused with Uzumaki DNA in a process similar to Yamato (I would say Senju, but in raw terms of able to survive stuff Uzumaki seems to be at the top)... with some huge meals for a month before to get the fat reserves up.