Originally posted by BentleyQuote him next time then. estahuh
I was 😄
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
[QUOTE=13035584]Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - Let's make something clear: the fact that any of you are arguing that these elemental attacks are "chakra reinforced" indicates a fundemental lack of understanding on how elemental techniques work. By default, that are NOT chakra, but elements, but are created by chakra. There are CHAKRA based attacks such as the plain rasengan. THAT'S a chakra reinforced attack. All the rest are made of ELEMENTS. Not chakra, not chakra reiforcement. They are created by chakra, sure, but they are not chakra.
The rest are made of Elemental Chakra, not the pure Elements themselves.
Samehada has absorbed the Lightning Chakra from Bee's sword as well. That would never have happened had it been pure electricity, and not chakra-based electricity.
http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=Naruto&chapter=Chapter+470+-+KillerBee+vs+Kisame&page=16&next=true
And one final point: http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-508-page-2.html
Also, no, the Preta Path absorbs Chakra. It just so happens that it can absorb any type of chakra, regardless of nature or shape transformation, which is why it can absorb any ninjutsu. It even absorbed Naruto's Sage Chakra, or does Sage Chakra within a person's body fall under ninjutsu for you?
The Third Databook itself states that he absorbs Chakra, not Ninjutsu.
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Damn bottom of the page situation. My post would probably have been missed.
Originally posted by Q99
Offensively, most of what he's shown is just being a good swordsuser though, he's lacking in variety.Raiton may be the best way to deal with him, but air, fire, pure chakra blasts, and so on can probably still hurt him.
Pure chakra blasts which would have to be Tailed-Beast level. The Hachibi's Lightning-esque Chakra Blast only managed to KO Suigetsu. Any other ninja would have been vaporized had they been hit point-blank by the blast, unless they had a trick like Izanagi.
As is someone like the Raikage. Versatility doesn't factor in a lot if you are really good in your area of expertise, and have good stats. Asuma has two element releases, but he more often than not mainly sticks to his chakra knives.
I don't think Fire would have much effect on him. Water is > Fire in the Naruto-verse after all. He'd simply reform if blown apart.
Another thing of note is that the Raikage's Raiton strike just went through Suigetsu. It is the jutsu with lasting shock effects that put him down.
Originally posted by Q99
I think between having two elemental releases, similar melee capabilities, and more speed, Asuma's still the stronger even with Suigetsu having better defense due to versatility. Though the way things are set up now, Asuma's a lowish A+ and Suigetsu a highish A.
Versatility yes, but more speed? I'd say they're equally as fast, though I can't remember Asuma's speed feats.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, I think that works.Though come to think of it, I am thinking of putting VotE and One-tail Naruto at just B. They have power, but I would think an experienced and strong special jonin like Ibiki with more versatility and some pretty major jutsu would still be able to beat them the majority.
He has speed too, such that Sasuke with a Two Tomoe Sharingan had trouble seeing him move. With one-tail, he should be much faster, in addition to the range and unpredictability that the chakra cloak affords him. Basic Katon jutsu are also of no effect against him.
Him using Rasengan should also mean that he's able to use his regular jutsu in that form.
Pure chakra blasts which would have to be Tailed-Beast level. The Hachibi's Lightning-esque Chakra Blast only managed to KO Suigetsu. Any other ninja would have been vaporized had they been hit point-blank by the blast, unless they had a trick like Izanagi.
Lesser ones should still inflict pain though. They might not be able to one-shot him but I doubt he'd like being hit by something like Jugo's chakra blasts or a rasengan in the least.
Oh yea, and Genjutsu should work on him too.
It's strong defense, but I would think most jonin'll have something that'll work.
I don't think Fire would have much effect on him. Water is > Fire in the Naruto-verse after all. He'd simply reform if blown apart.
What trumps water again...? Earth? Hm, probably not just a 'hit with rock' jutsu, that'd seem useless, but maybe some sort of imprisonment earth jutsu...
While splattering him doesn't put him down, it does reduce his capacity somewhat, he needs to be in mostly human form to use his sword which is most of his offense.
The main reason I rate him a bit lower-ish (though again, A is very very high 🙂 ) is his special jutsu is all defense, while his offense is limited to just his sword and physical attacks that we've seen.
Versatility yes, but more speed? I'd say they're equally as fast, though I can't remember Asuma's speed feats.
Remember when he offed like 8-9 sound chunin before they could move?
He has speed too, such that Sasuke with a Two Tomoe Sharingan had trouble seeing him move. With one-tail, he should be much faster, in addition to the range and unpredictability that the chakra cloak affords him. Basic Katon jutsu are also of no effect against him.
Him using Rasengan should also mean that he's able to use his regular jutsu in that form.
Though I don't think he can maintain clones while foxed out since it disrupts concentration.
His stats go up but he ceases using tricks or tactics so much as just relying on that raw ability.
New chapter out!
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Gah, the magma element's really common!That's three so far, and it's not even stolen like everyone does with wood!
Also, Kurotsuchi is Onoki's granddaughter, but has a different kekkei genkai. Hmm... and for that matter, has a third normal element besides. That's pretty badass.
Kabuto's a freaking snake! And Dust release is powerful enough to compete with Deidara's bombs! Oh yea, and Yamato's been captured and Madara has a Rinnegan eye. Bad news.
Originally posted by danteiscool
Madara knows that he can't competent help at all. the only people in Akatsuki that actually did something for him were Kisame and Pain (Kisame captured the 4 tails and got some info to him while Pain killed Jiraiya and weakened Konoha) and that's about it. the rest he mainly had to do himself.
The rest of the Akatsuki would like to have a word with you about all the other Tailed Beasts that needed to be captured. 😛
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/40727763/7
Nice legs, nice legs.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanIndeed. Temari still has best legs though.
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/40727763/7Nice legs, nice legs.