The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - Wait, Samehada is a sentient being. The only element he absorbed was lightening, right? Then that's the only exception. It specifically feeds off of chakra, not ninjutsu. Lightening may be so close to chakra that it can be absorbed. Preta should remain supreme as being able to break down all ninjutsu into chakra with samehada having only one exception and that being lightening. Then next up is Shin's bugs and they literally can only absorb non-shaped chakra.

Seems much more logical.

Chakra bulds the jutsu so the jutsu can break it down. I will call this a metaphysical property of chakra created elements. Something that exists in addition to the sub-atomic particles that comprise the elements created from chakra.

The only element he's shown absorbing is Raiton, but it isn't far-fetched to assume he could absorb any of the others. He faced off against the 4 tailed Jinchurikii, and won without a scratch, which probably means he absorbed some chakra during the fight. The 4 Tails was probably a heavy elemental jutsu user. (Fire, Earth & Lava)

Furthermore, Kisame's Great Missile Shark technique also absorbs chakra, but Kisame also states that it would work against any ninjutsu, hence, any elemental ninjutsu.

http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=Naruto&chapter=Chapter+314+-+Akatsuki+Invasion&prev=%3C%3C-+Prev&page=11

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Or did you already address this to Q?
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page 558 = tl;dr

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The only element he's shown absorbing is Raiton, but it isn't far-fetched to assume he could absorb any of the others. He faced off against the 4 tailed Jinchurikii, and won without a scratch, which probably means he absorbed some chakra during the fight. The 4 Tails was probably a heavy elemental jutsu user. (Fire, Earth & Lava)

Furthermore, Kisame's Great Missile Shark technique also absorbs chakra, but Kisame also states that it would work against any ninjutsu, hence, any elemental ninjutsu.

http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=Naruto&chapter=Chapter+314+-+Akatsuki+Invasion&prev=%3C%3C-+Prev&page=11

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Or did you already address this to Q?
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Electricity is a tad different than say, wood, or water.

The electricity dissipates as soon as you stop putting chakra into it. Water and earth don't. Same with wood. ALMOST with fire.

This is why electricity/lightning makes a much better candidate for samehada eating it than other elemental jutsus.

Shino's bugs should be able to eat it, as well.

I can't say that wood is like electricity in that regard, though.

But, that's not really what's beind debated. What's being debated is whether or not Yamato is reinforcing his wood with chakra to make it stronger. There's no basis for that. Strawmen arguments are what lead up to discussing nature manipulation of other elements and it's really my fault for entertaining it.

Isn't it stated quite regularly that Chakra does infact reinforce what it's infused into though? Example, Ino's hair folicles during the Chuunin Exams (And by extention Jiraya's hair shield).

These are by far not the on;y examples, but they do demonstrate chakra reinforcement of an object/objects that would otherwise be destroyed very easily.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Strawmen arguments

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Originally posted by Q99
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Nah, you keep making strawman arguments.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah, you keep making strawman arguments.

No, I'm drawing analogies from similar chakra-related situations, there's quite a big difference.

A strawman is saying what the other person's argument is, then knocking it down. My argument is there's chakra making the wood strong, yours is there is not (yes? That is correct, right?). All my sub-arguments and examples are to show similar circumstances that indicate that ninjutsu based on elemental chakra still has chakra in it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Isn't it stated quite regularly that Chakra does infact reinforce what it's infused into though? Example, Ino's hair folicles during the Chuunin Exams (And by extention Jiraya's hair shield).

These are by far not the on;y examples, but they do demonstrate chakra reinforcement of an object/objects that would otherwise be destroyed very easily.

I don't know if what you're saying is correct. However, if what you say is correct, that would be specific examples of chakra reinforcement and is exactly what I asked Q99 to provide.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't know if what you're saying is correct. However, if what you say is correct, that would be specific examples of chakra reinforcement and is exactly what I asked Q99 to provide.

Which is very much what I was trying to do in-depth with my examples, I provided several incidents of stuff showing capabilities beyond what the elemental material could provide without some unusual X-factor to provide it with those extraordinary properties, and that X-factor, most logically, would be chakra, or otherwise having chakra specifically being said to be behind the unusual properties of various jutsu (and thus, logically, would be why wood shows such unusual properties).

I suspect I was simply being too complex and technical in my explanations. Additional words can get in the way of communication sometimes.

And yes, Darkstorm Zero's examples are true.

So guys, what is your single most favorite jutsu? If you'd like to share other favorites, you may.

Mine is Sand Coffin, and Sand Burial. Though I do like Kagemane no Jutsu, Kaiten, and Rasengan..

Mmmmh... Most favorite jutsu... I have to think about that

HAREM NO JUTSU!

Originally posted by dadudemon
Electricity is a tad different than say, wood, or water.

The electricity dissipates as soon as you stop putting chakra into it. Water and earth don't. Same with wood. ALMOST with fire.

This is why electricity/lightning makes a much better candidate for samehada eating it than other elemental jutsus.

Shino's bugs should be able to eat it, as well.

I can't say that wood is like electricity in that regard, though.

But, that's not really what's beind debated. What's being debated is whether or not Yamato is reinforcing his wood with chakra to make it stronger. There's no basis for that. Strawmen arguments are what lead up to discussing nature manipulation of other elements and it's really my fault for entertaining it.

That isn't always the case with Raiton techs. Jutsus like Raikiri, Chidori, & Chidori Senbon and even objects charged with Rai ton chakra keep the charge even after the user has stopped supplying chakra, which is what the case was when Samehada absorbed the chakra.
However, Raiton techs are usually short lived, more so than most other elements.

IIRC, Kikaichū have only been shown absorbing chakra from a person. Have they ever absorbed chakra from a jutsu?

He has reinforced what I presume is normal wood, with his Wood-element chakra. http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-508-page-1.html

You've argued that regular wood is not different from chakra created wood, ergo, he should be able to reinforce his own chakra created wood with chakra. 313

Hm... best jutsu is a toughie, there's a lot of awesome ones.

I'll go with the "part a lake with a billion exploding tags," by Konan.

Probably there only temporarily, but that was badass 🙂

Mine is Kirin. awesome

I'm hearing nice choices.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So guys, what is your single most favorite jutsu? If you'd like to share other favorites, you may.

Harem Technique & Sexy Boy on Boy/Girl on Girl technique. The two most Hax jutsus in the series. Only certain people with the Sharingan & Sunglasses can resist their influence. vin

~ Kirin is my favourite jutsu right now & C4/C0 are a close second.
C4 is ossum hax, and C0 was epic, so I can't decide between the two.

Honorable mention: Double Lariat. Due to the sheer manliness that was present when the tech was used.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Harem Technique & Sexy Boy on Boy/Girl on Girl technique. The two most Hax jutsus in the series. Only certain people with the Sharingan & Sunglasses can resist their influence. vin

~ Kirin is my favourite jutsu right now & C4/C0 are a close second.
C4 is ossum hax, and C0 was epic, so I can't decide between the two.

Honorable mention: Double Lariat. Due to the sheer manliness that was present when the tech was used.

Originally posted by Kento
😛 You only like Konohamaru's boy on boy jutsu cause it was Sasuke.

I lol'd.

Damn you. Also, Naked Sasuke is worse than Batshit insane Sasuke. 😛

Kekkei genkai observation- Three people have lava so far, but each have fairly different expressions of it.

So Hashirama's Wood may be different from someone else's Wood (though all the other wood users we've seen are just copies of his), someone could have a different Dust or Boil than Onoki or Terumi, etc..

Also, Kurotsuchi doesn't have her grandfather's kekkei genkai, and hers only shares one element with his. Perhaps it is not rare for elemental kekkei genkai to mutate into other elemental combinations (i.e. the potential of having a combination element is passed on, but what elements it's on may depend on the individual and thus shift around)? Not universal (Haku's family), but sometimes.

Which makes me suspect most combination element kekkei genkai may have come from the Senju similar to how eye jutsu come from the Uchiha. And at the least, the Senju probably had a good variety of 'em.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Mine is Kirin. awesome

I'm hearing nice choices.

For destruction jutsu, Kirin is probably the coolest looking.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I lol'd.

Damn you. Also, Naked Sasuke is worse than Batshit insane Sasuke. 😛