The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
We have certain discrepancies at times, which is why I don't pay them full attention.
Deidara's extremely intelligent, but he isn't Shino-level smart. Yet he's a 4.5, above the likes of Shino, Sasuke & Temari.
Then there's Gaara, who is a 4, like Shino, despite the fact that Gaara is probably below Temari & Sasuke in overall intelligence. He does have the whole cool-headed demeanor going for him though.

They are accurate in certain instances though, but going by what we've seen in the manga, some stuff in the stats just does not make sense.

Well, for Gaara, he did show in the Kage meeting and afterwards that he was smarter than all of the other Kages. Kishi rated and wrote his character properly. Well, I think Gaara should be a 4.5 based on that.

There were Kages like the A, Onoki, & Mei Terumi at the meeting, and none of them have demonstrated exceptional intelligence, in and out of battle. Mei Terumi is probably the smartest out of those three, by virtue of trapping Sasuke in that room.
Kages must be intelligent to run their Village, but so far, we haven't seen '4.0' level intelligence from any of the Kages, including Gaara, but barring perhaps Danzou.

For another, Danzou was by far the smartest Kage there, not Gaara. He was the one who, indirectly of course, suggested the idea of the Joint Shinobi Alliance. Then there's the fact that he has successfully led the second most secretive organization in Naruto-verse for a number of years.

I agree that Gaara was smarter than the other 3 Kages though, as his way of thinking will probably achieve more in the long run.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
There were Kages like the A, Onoki, & Mei Terumi at the meeting, and none of them have demonstrated exceptional intelligence, in and out of battle. Mei Terumi is probably the smartest out of those three, by virtue of trapping Sasuke in that room.
Kages must be intelligent to run their Village, but so far, we haven't seen '4.0' level intelligence from any of the Kages, including Gaara, but barring perhaps Danzou.

For another, Danzou was by far the smartest Kage there, not Gaara. He was the one who, indirectly of course, suggested the idea of the Joint Shinobi Alliance. Then there's the fact that he has successfully led the second most secretive organization in Naruto-verse for a number of years.

I agree that Gaara was smarter than the other 3 Kages though, as his way of thinking will probably achieve more in the long run.

Danzo, IMO, is not very smart compared to other Kages. He gambled, very stupidly, with his eye control technique. He also lost to Sasuke because Sasuke tricked him.

Gaara is smarter than Danzo, easily. Danzo goes down in Naruto as the stupidest main-villain.

Zabuza on an apparent whim decided to assassinate the Mizukage and failed because his plan was poorly thought out.

Danzo is not that stupid. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
Danzo, IMO, is not very smart compared to other Kages. He gambled, very stupidly, with his eye control technique. He also lost to Sasuke because Sasuke tricked him.

Gaara is smarter than Danzo, easily. Danzo goes down in Naruto as the stupidest main-villain.

He gambled, but only for control of the force. The idea for a joint shinobi force was the only way they could have combated Akatsuki, and none of the others, barring Gaara, would have even thought of the idea, not with their ideals.
Danzou would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for that meddling Ao. 313
Since when is getting tricked by Sasuke a low thing? Deidara got tricked, and was tactically outmaneuvered by him earlier in their battle.

Zabuza, not Danzou.
Plus Danzou, you know, controlled and directed the missions of Root for years, an Organization even more secretive than Konoha's Black Ops Organization.

I just realized people are stupid in Naruto.

We have certain discrepancies at times, which is why I don't pay them full attention.
Deidara's extremely intelligent, but he isn't Shino-level smart. Yet he's a 4.5, above the likes of Shino, Sasuke & Temari.
Then there's Gaara, who is a 4, like Shino, despite the fact that Gaara is probably below Temari & Sasuke in overall intelligence. He does have the whole cool-headed demeanor going for him though.

I think intelligence represents not just mental capacity, but also mental-skills like genjutsu detection and breaking, where he's far above most ninja.

And he does tend to go into fights with at least one backup plan if not more. Starts out with clones more than most, and so on.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Zabuza on an apparent whim decided to assassinate the Mizukage and failed because his plan was poorly thought out.

Danzo is not that stupid. 😐

I doubt Zabuza's plan was on a whim, he probably prepared carefully (and still lost).

It was stated that the reason the coup failed was lack of careful planning, IIRC.

Originally posted by Q99
Byakugan and taijutsu, which I should really say is taijutsu w/gentle fist.

And those two things are frankly better- genjutsu breaking is a minor purely defensive trick that byakugan helps with anyway.

Byakugan is a versatile ability with many strong uses- long range scouting, detecting ambushes, avoiding being attacked from behind, detecting genjutsu, etc.. It's useful at pretty much any level.

When did Chuunin Exam Hinata ever make use of these enhancements? Only time I recall her doing anything somewhat resembling these is when she was in the forest of death.

Taijutsu wise, Hinata's provides her with stronger offense than Sakura has, and even basic gentle fist allows the rupturing of organs and so on.

Sakura's early stuff are all basically components- pieces that can eventually be turned into useful abilities, it was obvious she'd later develop great abilities due to her excellent chakra control, but at that point were only good for providing distractions, and her only offense was her own taijutsu and kunai, her weakest abilities at that point.

Her abilities while basic still gave her better actual showings than what Hinata had. Hinata's showings at that point was trembling uncontrollably out of fear to the point of paralysis, rolling her eyes into the back of her head, and losing utterly to Neji. Her potential with the Byakugan, by the point, was not yet realized, and very unimpressive.

Danzo is probably the smartest villain. Dumbest main villain has got to be Nagato. I mean wow, he killed himself because of a book.

Originally posted by Q99
I think intelligence represents not just mental capacity, but also mental-skills like genjutsu detection and breaking, where he's far above most ninja.

And he does tend to go into fights with at least one backup plan if not more. Starts out with clones more than most, and so on.

In that case, I cannot see why someone like Sasuke is 3.5. Naruto's a 3, and while he's dumber than a door-post typically, he's usually very sharp in battle, at least in Part 2.
Current Sasuke is probably 3.5, given his berserker and MS spam status, but Hebi Sasuke was at least 4, and outsmarted Deidara at one point.

Anyway, it still doesn't mean he's above Shino level. Deidara is exceptional when it comes to deception & misdirection. I daresay he's better than Naruto, but he doesn't plan as far ahead as Shino does.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......What I miss? Bringing up Hinata, Sakura and Sasuke in one post, oh my!

Oh and Part One Hinata > Part 1 Sakura.

Oh god.

To be fair Hinata's showing against Neji>Anything Sakura did in part 1. 😐

Part 1 Sakura was the penultimate garbage.

What did she do in her fight with Neji that was > ...anyone? 😐

She lasted in a fight with one of the best Taijutsu fighters at the time, maybe the best of the Genin, going easy or not.

Compared to Sakura who has done... What? She stalemated Ino, but who gives a **** about Ino? 😐

So... you think not getting beaten quickly by someone who wasn't really trying to beat you in the first place is impressive or otherwise a +1? I'm not following that logic.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
There were Kages like the A, Onoki, & Mei Terumi at the meeting, and none of them have demonstrated exceptional intelligence, in and out of battle. Mei Terumi is probably the smartest out of those three, by virtue of trapping Sasuke in that room.
Kages must be intelligent to run their Village, but so far, we haven't seen '4.0' level intelligence from any of the Kages, including Gaara, but barring perhaps Danzou.

For another, Danzou was by far the smartest Kage there, not Gaara. He was the one who, indirectly of course, suggested the idea of the Joint Shinobi Alliance. Then there's the fact that he has successfully led the second most secretive organization in Naruto-verse for a number of years.

I agree that Gaara was smarter than the other 3 Kages though, as his way of thinking will probably achieve more in the long run.

what the F is there to compare gaara with? he just has a stoic personality even when planning for war, the other kage...not so much.

they all have some beef with each other to some degree and have more caustic personalities, therefor being more prone to seem less bright in that sort of setting.

A could be considered the smartest cause we all know the hidden lightning was always pretty much mobilized for war, developed imo an even more superior "absolute defense" than what gaara was famed for (he can actually move not to mention it boosts his movement), his village's security is top notch...and let's not forget, he tried to kill madara and zetsu from jump, no pussy footing around, just straight for the kill. the manga would have been over if they weren't either made of plant matter or intangible. (unlike hiruzen biscuits )

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
So... you think not getting beaten quickly by someone who wasn't really trying to beat you in the first place is impressive or otherwise a +1? I'm not following that logic.

To be fair, I have to agree with Neme on this. she did manage to last a while against Neji, while Sakura gets points for fistf**king Naruto's skull more than any other person in the series without him retaliating (Or even with retaliation for that matter)

Jokes aside, Sakura really didn't have much until she got some training under her belt from Tsunade.