The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wow! out of all of these top kage shown, Harishima still manages to be sort of superior. I thought Gaara would be happy to beat up his dad.

Kabuto does realize that instead of going through a whole ninja war thing, he could have the Nagato zombie just CT sizeable portions of the SA right?

Even though Nagato was kind of lame, you have to admit the Rinnegan kind of dwarfs all of these bloodline limit combos that Kishimoto's been creating.

Also, looks like we can settle what Dust's element constituents are; earth+air+fire=dust.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
im under the assumption that the difference between mei's combining of the three elements she has gives her two kekkei genki, whereas the ability to fuse all three is a genkei tota

I don't see any reason why we couldn't see element combos of 4,5, and even 6 in the future. As long as Kishi BS's more "new abilities" for people to have.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Naruto is sooo much better than all other shounen manga. 😖hifty:

Hodi Jones by himself is gonna be cooler that all the characters Kishi just introduced 😉

Waaaaaay too much war strategy talk...but, it felt like "Kishimoto", so I can't really complain.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, looks like we can settle what Dust's element constituents are; earth+air+fire=dust.

That makes sense.

The truly "ninja" version of ninja dust is made with these: dried sh*t+fine cheese grader+powerful "gutsy ninja" farts.

Seen here:

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wow! out of all of these top kage shown, Harishima still manages to be sort of superior. I thought Gaara would be happy to beat up his dad.

Well, he's not looking forward to meet him at the least. I think he'd just rather put all that behind him.

Kabuto does realize that instead of going through a whole ninja war thing, he could have the Nagato zombie just CT sizeable portions of the SA right?

How to deal with that one will remain a question. I assume he's keeping Nagato for something special, like perhaps to defeat Killerbee and Naruto. Backed by an army, those two would be almost un-capturable.

Even though Nagato was kind of lame, you have to admit the Rinnegan kind of dwarfs all of these bloodline limit combos that Kishimoto's been creating.

Yea. Dust seems like it might compare in raw blastiness, but Rinnegan is so much more versatile.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Right, that seems to be correct.

I don't see any reason why we couldn't see element combos of 4,5, and even 6 in the future. As long as Kishi BS's more "new abilities" for people to have.

Indeed. I wonder if the Sage could do combos, or if they arose on their own.

Judging by the way they were talking about it, it sounds like combining more than two was the result of experimentation. So perhaps the 'technology' for 4 and 5 simply doesn't exist yet (and even for 3 is very limited).

Originally posted by King Kandy
Right, that seems to be correct.

I don't see any reason why we couldn't see element combos of 4,5, and even 6 in the future. As long as Kishi BS's more "new abilities" for people to have.

anyway, the anime is back to main storyline next week i hear.....can't remember where it deviated though, iirc around team samui's coming to konoha/danzou's move to main story

So if kazuzu is part of the zombie squad wouldnt that make him a zombie of imperfection world zombie? or just a
zombie zombie

Originally posted by Q99
Indeed. I wonder if the Sage could do combos, or if they arose on their own.

Judging by the way they were talking about it, it sounds like combining more than two was the result of experimentation. So perhaps the 'technology' for 4 and 5 simply doesn't exist yet (and even for 3 is very limited).

Originally posted by King Kandy
I've gotten in quite a few debates over this issue. This new one just convinces me more, although he may not know how to, a rinnegan user definitely has the capacity to use advanced elements.

I don't think it affects that issue much.

Still gotta wait and see if any Rinnegan user actually has 'em 🙂

Originally posted by King Kandy
I've gotten in quite a few debates over this issue. This new one just convinces me more, although he may not know how to, a rinnegan user definitely has the capacity to use advanced elements.

I was under the impression that using 3 in the same jutsu would result in "nullification" due to having to use two nature manipulations that null each other: fire and water, fire and wind, wind and lightning.

Not the case.

This is why I thought that it was limited to "2."

Based on the illogical construction of 3 nature manipulations in one jutsu, the sky is the limit.

I wonder if any of the fan words ever reach the author? No matter how much of a genius someone is, someone is bound to think of something they they won't: this is why we need more "fan" sessions with the writers. We need to ask things like: explain why you can have two nature manipulations in the same elemental jutsu that has one dominating the other.

Fire and water exists as a two-elemental combination already (Boil).

Any two can be combined by the looks of it. If one is disadvantaged against another component, note how Kakuzu used fire's superiority over wind to boost his fire jutsu.

The 'advantage' system is bad for one element but also good for the other, so it's not quite as simple as just nullification and there's nothing wrong with using elements that have superiority over each other in combination.

Originally posted by Q99
Fire and water exists as a two-elemental combination already (Boil).

Any two can be combined by the looks of it. If one is disadvantaged against another component, note how Kakuzu used fire's superiority over wind to boost his fire jutsu.

The 'advantage' system is bad for one element but also good for the other, so it's not quite as simple as just nullification and there's nothing wrong with using elements that have superiority over each other in combination.

In other words...too much fire and it should turn the water into steam. Too much water and it should snuff out the fire. Get the ratios just right and you have a floating mass of water in the air that is boiling. Right? That's how it works? Why not take it a step further and make it super pressurized water? You can make it much hotter if you do that. When you throw it, the "shape manipulation" can make it like a "hot whip." It would take less chakra to do this when water is around you: boom. Technique is born that saves on chakra. This would be similar to lava, imo. Boiling water is not illogical, at all. It's the other stuff.

Lava is cool...it's earth and fire, right?

Other things, though, are not (acid is an example. Trees are another.)

It went from magical elemental techniques to magical alchemy...wait, we already have that in another manga/anime series.

It is contradictory and we should see "nullification." The rules for how it works are arbitrary and illogical....like most magic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
In other words...too much fire and it should turn the water into steam. Too much water and it should snuff out the fire. Get the ratios just right and you have a floating mass of water in the air that is boiling. Right? That's how it works? Why not take it a step further and make it super pressurized water? You can make it much hotter if you do that. When you throw it, the "shape manipulation" can make it like a "hot whip." It would take less chakra to do this when water is around you: boom. Technique is born that saves on chakra. This would be similar to lava, imo. Boiling water is not illogical, at all. It's the other stuff.

Lava is cool...it's earth and fire, right?

Other things, though, are not (acid is an example. Trees are another.)

It went from magical elemental techniques to magical alchemy...wait, we already have that in another manga/anime series.

It is contradictory and we should see "nullification." The rules for how it works are arbitrary and illogical....like most magic.

Meh, I'll admit, Kishimoto should really elaborate on the Elemental combination Kekkei Genkais, along with the interactions between the 5 Elements. Perhaps he could even introduce a superiority-inferiority cycle for the EKGs. For instance, Fire-Lightning would trump Wind-Lightning, or Wind-Earth would trump Lightning-Earth, or Lightning-Water would trump Fire-Water, etc.

We have Wind making Fire powerful enough to defeat Water, when Water would normally trump Fire, which all makes sense. A couple of the rest might not though. Wind somehow trumps Lightning, and would Lightning make Wind powerful enough to trump Fire?

Also, Acid is not really a KG Release. It's a derivative of the Boil Release.

Personally, I think Scorch Release is a Fire-Wind combination. Scorch Release techs can vaporize water near-instantly. Maybe it's also the opposite of Ice Release, where Water is "cooled down" by Wind to such an extent that it becomes Ice.

Lava is cool...it's earth and fire, right?

Other things, though, are not (acid is an example. Trees are another.)

A kekkei genkai is not exactly a direct combination of the two in the same way a combination jutsu is. It is a true third element that requires the other two as a base.

On lava, Roshi (Biju power) had lava as just the purest form, but Kurotsuchi has jutsu like quicklime with her lava release. Ice is obviously different than water+air directly but you can see the root elements, and so on.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, I'll admit, Kishimoto should really elaborate on the Elemental combination Kekkei Genkais, along with the interactions between the 5 Elements. Perhaps he could even introduce a superiority-inferiority cycle for the EKGs. For instance, Fire-Lightning would trump Wind-Lightning, or Wind-Earth would trump Lightning-Earth, or Lightning-Water would trump Fire-Water, etc.

Holy shit, that will get geometrically complex as you add a layer.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
We have Wind making Fire powerful enough to defeat Water, when Water would normally trump Fire, which all makes sense. A couple of the rest might not though. Wind somehow trumps Lightning, and would Lightning make Wind powerful enough to trump Fire?

Yeah, but, here's a contradiction: we have very little lightning nulling lot's of earth bombs.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, Acid is not really a KG Release. It's a derivative of the Boil Release.

Wha?

How in the hell is it even an elemental jutsu? It should be a summon, imo.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Personally, I think Scorch Release is a Fire-Wind combination. Scorch Release techs can vaporize water near-instantly. Maybe it's also the opposite of Ice Release, where Water is "cooled down" by Wind to such an extent that it becomes Ice.

These, I'm okay with: they are logical. You can do mixtures and shape manipulation to get what you want. It's not alchemy at that point.

Originally posted by Q99
A kekkei genkai is not exactly a direct combination of the two in the same way a combination jutsu is. It is a true third element that requires the other two as a base.

On lava, Roshi (Biju power) had lava as just the purest form, but Kurotsuchi has jutsu like quicklime with her lava release. Ice is obviously different than water+air directly but you can see the root elements, and so on.

Like I said above, that should be a summon, not a elemental jutsu...even if it is a KG. Ice is fine: it can be made, logically, with shape manipulatio and other elements. I'm not okay with creating complex elements, though...like it is Full Metal Alchemist or like the ninjas are Star Trek replicators.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Like I said above, that should be a summon, not a elemental jutsu...even if it is a KG. Ice is fine: it can be made, logically, with shape manipulatio and other elements. I'm not okay with creating complex elements, though...like it is Full Metal Alchemist or like the ninjas are Star Trek replicators.

Summons are a pretty different type of thing, and even base elements can create material. A KG just means you have the ability to make one specific type of thing, with some variations, other than the norm.

Jutsu can be somewhat alchemy-like to begin with, though with some differences and generally more specific.

It's not really that much weirder to make wood than it is to make a complex stone object, especially with wood requiring more put into it.

Its the jutsu that makes the "strange" elements occur, not the simple release... for instance you can use a jutsu to turn water into something that, until it is destroyed, is to all appearances flesh and blood, with a metal sword (mist clone). The jutsus themselves are what creates variation, releases are just the "categories" you can choose from.

Spoiler:
zetsu makes a move on the daimyo, but i think he gets spotted and they disperse. zetsu feels underestimated and claims to be the master of the land itself, then disappears.

darui stomps a ton of white zetsu with some lightning cutter technique
, then tenten does some kunai stuff.

we get some match-ups now: chouza (or chouji) vs dan and hiashi vs hizashi

chiyo, kimimmaro, some new guy, and hanzo i think go toward kankouro's location and deidara calls for help, so kankouro might be in some major trouble.

tsuchikage goes to fight gaara i think, and darui is fighting the lightning brothers

Originally posted by King Kandy
Its the jutsu that makes the "strange" elements occur, not the simple release... for instance you can use a jutsu to turn water into something that, until it is destroyed, is to all appearances flesh and blood, with a metal sword (mist clone). The jutsus themselves are what creates variation, releases are just the "categories" you can choose from.

The point is, a kekkei genkai allows a release that's naturally "strange" in some fashion.

Originally posted by Q99
The point is, a kekkei genkai allows a release that's naturally "strange" in some fashion.