Originally posted by King Kandy
Right, but, the thing I think makes them all different from Sage mode is that in Sage mode you are actually pulling energy from something external from yourself.
Meh, I was actually just talking about the Raiton Shroud, Calorie Control, and Creation Rebirth. But yeah, that's a difference between Sage Mode and the Akimichi's tech.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Is this the end of sage mode btw?
It's more or less the Kyuubi Chakra Mode's little brother.
He still runs the risk of dying due to his new mode, and he cannot make clones at all because of that. Probably cannot use Rasenshuriken or the other Sage-Mode created variants of Rasengan, but at the same time, he'll be getting a far more powerful Rasengan, likely a long-range blast.
At the same time, it's arguable that Naruto may now be able to fuse with the Elders, since the Fox has been completely subjugated by Naruto.
And there's always combining Sage Mode with the Fox's chakra. Naruto's ridiculously OP right now.
Wonder why the Akimichi clan has to harness their power in the form of butterfly wings. I've grown quite sick of the creatures and their usage in anime.
Naruto might be overpowered in his new Kyuubi 2.0 form but he still kind of sucks..... as far as technique and skill goes. Having the power doesn't really guarentee anything either. For instance, since Kushina and Harishima's wife had the full power of the kyuubi at their disposal, why weren't they historic champions and whatnot?
Kushina in particular, pretty much gave Minato inspiration for all of his jutsus and even wanted to be Hokage, yet ended up being punked while in labor. So.....does Naruto share the same fate or what?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, I was actually just talking about the Raiton Shroud, Calorie Control, and Creation Rebirth. But yeah, that's a difference between Sage Mode and the Akimichi's tech.It's more or less the Kyuubi Chakra Mode's little brother.
He still runs the risk of dying due to his new mode, and he cannot make clones at all because of that. Probably cannot use Rasenshuriken or the other Sage-Mode created variants of Rasengan, but at the same time, he'll be getting a far more powerful Rasengan, likely a long-range blast.
At the same time, it's arguable that Naruto may now be able to fuse with the Elders, since the Fox has been completely subjugated by Naruto.
And there's always combining Sage Mode with the Fox's chakra. Naruto's ridiculously OP right now.
The elder bonding thing is a good point. I don't think that Kishi will actually think of that.
I think it's possible, as KK pointed out, that a tailed beast + sage mode is possible. Keep in mind that the Sage Mode offers quite a few benefits like sensing shit around him and high durability...plus all of his techs.
What would be required is a much larger intact of natural chakra to make sage mode happen, though. That means, to me, that he could make sage mode last much longer if he properly activated it while in tailed-beast mode.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Naruto might be overpowered in his new Kyuubi 2.0 form but he still kind of sucks..... as far as technique and skill goes. Having the power doesn't really guarentee anything either. For instance, since Kushina and Harishima's wife had the full power of the kyuubi at their disposal, why weren't they historic champions and whatnot?
I disagree. Naruto is one of the most skilled ninja in all of the sersies, thus far. He didn't have built in techs handed to him like Susano'o and co.
He also defeated, fair and square, a super S class in the form of Nagato. He used actually "ninja" hiding techniques to win that fight. 😄
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Naruto might be overpowered in his new Kyuubi 2.0 form but he still kind of sucks..... as far as technique and skill goes. Having the power doesn't really guarentee anything either. For instance, since Kushina and Harishima's wife had the full power of the kyuubi at their disposal, why weren't they historic champions and whatnot?
Maybe they were.
Kushina mentioned that Mito was known as a powerful Kunoichi, and she was apparently picked with the intention of being Mito 2.0. So Mito left a rather large impression with the ninja of the time at the very least.
Kushina would've been active as Jinchuuriki during the 3rd World War too, so... she may have some great war feats for all we know.
We know only a little of names of past champions of villages outside of the Kage, after all. And after the Kyuubi attack, the Uzumaki Jinchuuriki may end up as downplayed despite their awesomeness.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wonder why the Akimichi clan has to harness their power in the form of butterfly wings. I've grown quite sick of the creatures and their usage in anime.Naruto might be overpowered in his new Kyuubi 2.0 form but he still kind of sucks..... as far as technique and skill goes. Having the power doesn't really guarentee anything either. For instance, since Kushina and Harishima's wife had the full power of the kyuubi at their disposal, why weren't they historic champions and whatnot?
Kushina in particular, pretty much gave Minato inspiration for all of his jutsus and even wanted to be Hokage, yet ended up being punked while in labor. So.....does Naruto share the same fate or what?
Kushina did not master the Kyuubi to Naruto's extent so there is really no comparing her to him... for real comparison let's look at Killerbee who actually has comparable abilities. He seems to do quite well for himself.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wonder why the Akimichi clan has to harness their power in the form of butterfly wings. I've grown quite sick of the creatures and their usage in anime.Naruto might be overpowered in his new Kyuubi 2.0 form but he still kind of sucks..... as far as technique and skill goes. Having the power doesn't really guarentee anything either. For instance, since Kushina and Harishima's wife had the full power of the kyuubi at their disposal, why weren't they historic champions and whatnot?
Kushina in particular, pretty much gave Minato inspiration for all of his jutsus and even wanted to be Hokage, yet ended up being punked while in labor. So.....does Naruto share the same fate or what?
Nah, the dude's pretty skilled when it comes to mastering techniques. He's also getting better at using them efficiently in battle.
Kushina and Mito could not control the Fox's power the way Naruto can, and what Naruto has is far from the Fox's full power. That said, those two, particularly Mito, were likely famous in their own right. It's possible Mito could even use Creation Rebirth, or at least store up chakra in her forehead and then release it.
Yeah, she ended up being punked at the end, but that doesn't mean she wasn't powerful, or that she sucked.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The elder bonding thing is a good point. I don't think that Kishi will actually think of that.I think it's possible, as KK pointed out, that a tailed beast + sage mode is possible. Keep in mind that the Sage Mode offers quite a few benefits like sensing shit around him and high durability...plus all of his techs.
What would be required is a much larger intact of natural chakra to make sage mode happen, though. That means, to me, that he could make sage mode last much longer if he properly activated it while in tailed-beast mode.
It would basically give him unlimited Sage Mode as long as the Fusion is taking place, so I doubt Kishi would use it.
Nah, I think he'd first activate Sage Mode, and then tap into the Fox's power. That's how he did it when he was talking to Nagato. Though it likely could be done either way.
EDIT: On second thought, since activating his Fox mode 'swaps' his chakra, I guess he would have to activate Fox Mode first, then draw in a whole lot of Natural Energy to create Sage-Fox Chakra. hmm
Originally posted by dadudemon
He also defeated, fair and square, a super S class in the form of Nagato. He used actually "ninja" hiding techniques to win that fight. 😄
Fair and square is arguable. The Deva Path fight was more 'fair and square', but that part had one bit of PIS IMO.
I said he sucks in the technique department. He gets most of his S-level skills thanks to the huge chakra pool he has. Usually, people have to work for years and years even Bee had to do something(well he is in the same boat as Naruto) but Naruto fails when it comes to the flashy techs that you'd expect from the kyuubi jinjuruki.
Granted that Naruto has determination and whatnot along with being able to fail w/o limit for long periods of time before grasping a tech, I'd expect at least something now.
The guy mastered all manners of S-class techs in a matter of days...so not being able to get a menacing ball out is kind of a dissapointment, which is why I said Naruto sucks to begin with.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree. Naruto is one of the most skilled ninja in all of the sersies, thus far. He didn't have built in techs handed to him like Susano'o and co.He also defeated, fair and square, a super S class in the form of Nagato. He used actually "ninja" hiding techniques to win that fight. 😄
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I said he sucks in the technique department. He gets most of his S-level skills thanks to the huge chakra pool he has. Usually, people have to work for years and years even Bee had to do something(well he is in the same boat as Naruto) but Naruto fails when it comes to the flashy techs that you'd expect from the kyuubi jinjuruki.Granted that Naruto has determination and whatnot along with being able to fail w/o limit for long periods of time before grasping a tech, I'd expect at least something now.
The guy mastered all manners of S-class techs in a matter of days...so not being able to get a menacing ball out is kind of a dissapointment, which is why I said Naruto sucks to begin with.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah, the dude's pretty skilled when it comes to mastering techniques. He's also getting better at using them efficiently in battle.
Kushina and Mito could not control the Fox's power the way Naruto can, and what Naruto has is far from the Fox's full power. That said, those two, particularly Mito, were likely famous in their own right. It's possible Mito could even use Creation Rebirth, or at least store up chakra in her forehead and then release it.Yeah, she ended up being punked at the end, but that doesn't mean she wasn't powerful, or that she sucked.
Naruto is skilled at failing over and over again until he get it right. Usually ninjas perform the exact same trial and error process like Naruto in order to master S-class tech and other powerful moves. However Naruto can do it in a matter of days because of the frikkin power fox.
You'd think there'd be some honorable mentions or something about Mito or Kushina instead of praise only coming from the last-last gen of ninjas.
Her being punked extends to the whole,"having power but ending up as second place" kind of thing.
Dammit I'm double posting....sort of.
Originally posted by King Kandy
You'd expect flashy techs from the kyuubi jinchiruki? Why? Most jinchirukis we've seen relied on their raw biju power more than exotic techniques.
I meant controlled Menacing Balls...I should have specified that.
I honestly thought that would've been the first thing that could be used especially since it follows almost the exact format of the rasengan...oh well!
Now I really double posted....Dammit!
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Naruto is skilled at failing over and over again until he get it right. Usually ninjas perform the exact same trial and error process like Naruto in order to master S-class tech and other powerful moves. However Naruto can do it in a matter of days because of the frikkin power fox.You'd think there'd be some honorable mentions or something about Mito or Kushina instead of praise only coming from the last-last gen of ninjas.
Her being punked extends to the whole,"having power but ending up as second place" kind of thing.
Dammit I'm double posting....sort of.
Getting the techniques right in-of-itself requires skill. Yes, Naruto has an advantage others do not, but it's no different from Sasuke having the Sharingan and easily getting Lee-level speed thanks to it. Even if they can use a certain tech, they have to know how and when to use it, and that also takes skill.
Like Q said, we don't know about anyone else from that time, except for the Kages, and the people revived by Kabuto. The only other famous people we know of are the Sannin, Kakashi's father, Hanzo and Chiyo.
At the very least, Kushina was on the level of people like Kakuzu.
Another thing, as the Kyuubi's Jinchuurikii, Kushina likely wasn't as active as she might have been had she not been a Jinchuurikii, due to the risk of the Fox getting out, or falling into enemy hands. Doesn't mean she wasn't powerful.
The same has applied to pretty much every powerful ninja that has been punked by Naruto or Sasuke or his/her opponent. The Kyuubi itself has been punked by Madara, Minato, Kushina, Sasuke, and most recently, Naruto.
Heck, think about all the other jinchuuriki there have been.
Hosting seems to be a guaranteed S-class, the balance of the biju is after all the ability of a village to create a strategic weapon. Many of the hosts don't even seem to have to work for a special power, the Kyuubis seem like they have the fewest powers (just healing and chakra. Hm, wonder if other jinchuuriki heal...).
So that's 9 jinchuuriki, 9 S-classes, some of 'em S+, every generation. And most of them aren't going to die of old age like Mito. Some'll die before maturity, and there'll be some time of biju running wild unhosted due to dying in a host, but all in all, you're almost certainly talking 20+ of them over the years. Yet all we know is Mito, Yagura, Kushina, and the latest ones.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Getting the techniques right in-of-itself requires skill. Yes, Naruto has an advantage others do not, but it's no different from Sasuke having the Sharingan and easily getting Lee-level speed thanks to it. Even if they can use a certain tech, they have to know how and when to use it, and that also takes skill.Like Q said, we don't know about anyone else from that time, except for the Kages, and the people revived by Kabuto. The only other famous people we know of are the Sannin, Kakashi's father, Hanzo and Chiyo.
At the very least, Kushina was on the level of people like Kakuzu.
Another thing, as the Kyuubi's Jinchuurikii, Kushina likely wasn't as active as she might have been had she not been a Jinchuurikii, due to the risk of the Fox getting out, or falling into enemy hands. Doesn't mean she wasn't powerful.
Naruto does get the technique's down though, at most it's usually a week or two. So something that would actually be kind of standard for jinjuruki is somehow impossible? Sasuke has an entirely different argument that can be discussed later.
Naruto sucks because he can't do menacing balls yet! There I said it.
From the whole flashback involving Kushina and Minato's past, she was sort of implied to be stronger than him....prior to being punked. And since Naruto ran around the land for 2 years straight w/o anyone worrying about him being captured, I assume trying to contain a matured biju user doesn't equate for Kushina not being well known by other nations.
Mito's case is more understandable to me anyway.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
And since Naruto ran around the land for 2 years straight w/o anyone worrying about him being captured, I assume trying to contain a matured biju user doesn't equate for Kushina not being well known by other nations.
Weeeeeeeellllll...Naruto DID have one of the strongest characters with him, the whole time.
Of the Sannin, I'd say the Jiraiya is the most powerful. Sure, Oro is the most versitile but in ninja combat, I'd say the Toad Sage is the most effective. Jiraiya was great at everything, really: seals, ninjutsu, taijutsu, speed, intelligence, endurance, etc.
He was almost peak ninja in all categories. IMO, he makes Danzo look like a wimp.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I wouldn't call fighting a guy who'd been exhausting his chakra for hours fair and square either.
I would considering that the same guy had enough chakra to resurrect hundreds if not thousands of people after that fight 🙂 . Additionally, it's the same techs that Kakashi faced and Naruto even resisted the push and Pain was shocked. It was completely fair, it was 1 on 1, and it was Pain's most powerful body (by far) versus Naruto. Naruto rolled over the robot body and made the summons pain look like a kid. The absorbtion pain was taken down through trickery, etc. bla bla.
Fact is, Naruto fought Pain's Deva path, fair and square. He got his ass handed to him, earlier, but did great the second time around.