Originally posted by Q99Well it is still better in certain aspects. He is much more durable, and heals rapidly in sage mode. The Kyuubi mode just gives him speed and power.
It seems Sage Mode is 'sensor mode' for him now, that's the primary thing he uses it for.It also doesn't take him very long to go into it- presumably with a very short sage-charge, not enough for rasenshurikens and all that I'm guessing, but he didn't need to stand long to get enough power for a bull-rush.
But this was one of my favorite chapters in a long time. I love how they reinforce Naruto and Iruka's relationship with that letter. You know that he knew naruto would escape eventually.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelI always thought of Iruka as a brother to him, he is pretty young, I don't think he is any older than Itachi. Jiraya was a much better father figure than Iruka.
I actually felt weird about this chapter. Iruka calling Naruto a "Brother" feels offsetting to me, since he was always compared to a father like figure, despite being a young man.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I actually felt weird about this chapter. Iruka calling Naruto a "Brother" feels offsetting to me, since he was always compared to a father like figure, despite being a young man.
Jiraiya filled the Father-figure role after Iruka (and was better at it IMO), and now that Naruto's more mature than he was back then, and a heck of a lot more powerful, Iruka likely thinks of him as a brother.
Eh, I just think about this scene.
Jiraiya was honestly a grandfather figure for Naruto. I never thought of him as a father figure. 😮
Originally posted by BloodRain
If Naruto uses Sage mode with the new Fox mode, will the Fox feast on the nature chakra instead of Naruto's? And could it turn into a toad due to this?
As for Naruto using Sage Mode with his Kyuubi Chakra Mode, I think it would be impossible for him to use Sage Mode while in his Kyuubi Chakra Mode, but not Vice Versa.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Eh, I just think about this scene.Jiraiya was honestly a grandfather figure for Naruto. I never thought of him as a father figure. 😮
Part 2 speaks otherwise. Jiraiya is also Naruto's Godfather, so thar! uhuh
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Jiraiya filled the Father-figure role after Iruka (and was better at it IMO), and now that Naruto's more mature than he was back then, and a heck of a lot more powerful, Iruka likely thinks of him as a brother.
I'm really irritated with this "Naruto will save the day by disobeying orders" thing we've heard so many times. I hope he gets the shit beaten out of him this time to shake it up.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, what you stated does not change the fact that if they sealed themselves up in a barrier which could contain an explosion, they would die, which in turn would leave the Kyuubi free, assuming it survived the explosion, which based on 6 Tailed Kyuubi, and the Hachibi, it should.
I addressed this point, already. We have no idea how long it would take the barrier to decay, but we know that Kushina was confident in it.
There would be more than enough time and "awesome" ninjas to take care of a trapped 9-tails. They seemed to do just fine without Kushina's special chakra before...
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
To be honest, it likely got caught in the explosion of the second menacing ball it was about to use (the one it was about to use when Minato summoned Gamabunta, and then ported himself and the Kyuubi to his house), and survived.
It could have also detonated in the direction he fired it and not gotten explodedingle at all...just like Naruto 6-tails form did against Oro and his triple barriers. 🙂
There's also the problem of how durable even a 6-tails cloaked Naruto was: Oro's super sword couldn't even pierce Naruto's "flesh."
The reason, and it's obvious, the Kyuubi didn't launch the menacing ball while chained down is the Kyuubi needs his tails to assist in the chakra focusing...just like every other time when the menacing ball was launched.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That would pretty much make their efforts in vain, and again, retarded; trying to save everyone by sealing themselves up in a suicide attempt.
I think the barrier works quite awesome to prevent the Kyuubi from blowing himself and everyone else up. That's really what the barrier was for...unless you're suggesting it was for something other than keeping the Kyuubi inside?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Actually, come to think of it, I think the chains and the barrier combined were what restricted the Kyuubi to the point that it could could hardly move. When Kushina used the chains on the Kyuubi in Naruto's mind, it had an easier time moving about. Kushina was near-death 16 years ago, and Minato sealed the last of her chakra in Naruto, so there was roughly the same amount of chakra at work.
That assessment is arbitrary, baseless, and actually wrong.
Kushina had enough "chakra' at near death to make a barrier and restrain full-chakra'd 9-tails in a more effective fashion than she did to a half powered 9-tails. The feats direclty contradict your idea that the feats show equal chakra.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This still doesn't mean that the Barrier itself can stand up to Menacing Balls, seeing as the Chains likely prevent it from using them (either via some special property, or simply tripping the Kyuubi)The barrier's shown to be strong, but not *that* strong.
The barrier was never shown to stand up or not stand up to a menacing ball.
However, I find it rather retarded to assume that the barrier, which was built to contain the Kyuubi...which is the most powerful tailed beast, would not be able to stand up a menacing ball. That defeats the purpose of having a barrier that can hold the Kyuubi.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Jiraiya was honestly a grandfather figure for Naruto. I never thought of him as a father figure. 😮
This, I agree with.
But I've always seen Iruka as an older brother figure and never as a father figure.
Oh Christ people, this is just getting silly.
The idea attempting to be sold here suggests that Kushina, on the verge of freaking death, can produce a barrier capable of tanking the Menacing Ball from the fully powered Kyuubi.
Here's an idea that is less ridiculous: As we know, Kushina is an Uzumaki, and her chakra is well suited to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra. How would the Kyuubi, while chained up and inside a barrier created by said chakra, be able to even begin summoning the chakra needed to perform the Menacing Ball?
That barrier, like Kushina herself, is lacking in the way of feats. I mean, tanking a punch from Hiruzen is impressive but really need more than that.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Here's an idea that is less ridiculous: As we know, Kushina is an Uzumaki, and her chakra is well suited to [b]suppress the Kyuubi's chakra. How would the Kyuubi, while chained up and inside a barrier created by said chakra, be able to even begin summoning the chakra needed to perform the Menacing Ball? [/b]
There's no indication it's like the Wood style jutsu, though, just that it'd make her an excellent jinchuuriki.
I like the "it was freaking tied down and couldn't properly do the jutsu like that," suggestion early. As soon as the chains loosened due to it shrinking from the Dead Demon Seal, even though it was overall much weaker and still have the chains on it, it attacked immediately. How tight the chains were seemed to be the only thing controlling it, and it never did something that resembled Yamato's suppression.
That barrier, like Kushina herself, is lacking in the way of feats. I mean, tanking a punch from Hiruzen is impressive but really need more than that.
Disagree on Kushina. Wrestling the Kyuubi multiple times is very definite feats.
Agree on the barrier. We can deduce it's likely pretty strong but we lack specifics.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The idea attempting to be sold here suggests that Kushina, on the verge of freaking death, can produce a barrier capable of tanking the Menacing Ball from the fully powered Kyuubi.
There's no idea "attempting" to be sold on either side.
It's pretty dang simple that a barrier designed to hold the kyuubi is a pretty dang strong barrier.
Additionally,
"on the verge of death" and she still has feats greater than almost all other Naruto characters. 🙂