At the risk of showing my fanboyism, A-!!!
And nah, still Ino. By virtue of every female being the weakest member of every team on the show. Not even kidding here, I literally cannot think of one where the female was not the weakest....
That and Shika has the strategy down to a tee so he could beat Ino in my opinion.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And nah, still Ino. By virtue of every female being the weakest member of every team on the show. Not even kidding here, I literally cannot think of one where the female was not the weakest....
Team Samui. Omoi's probably the weakest and Samui the strongest 🙂
Hm, team sand siblings, it's hard to tell between Temari and Kankuro, they're pretty even. Until part 2 and getting the Sasori puppet, I'd give the middle slot to Temari and Kankuro the weakest one. Sound Four, Tayuya was kinda in the middle....
Oh, Anko's recon team, considering it's just Anko and some minor Hyuga and Aburame.
That and Shika has the strategy down to a tee so he could beat Ino in my opinion.
Which one possessed Kinkaku? That's right, Ino. Who can take two bodies at once? Ino. She's so much better than she was back in the Hidan fight it's not even funny.
Originally posted by Q99
Team Samui. Omoi's probably the weakest and Samui the strongest 🙂Hm, team sand siblings, it's hard to tell between Temari and Kankuro, they're pretty even. Until part 2 and getting the Sasori puppet, I'd give the middle slot to Temari and Kankuro the weakest one. Sound Four, Tayuya was kinda in the middle....
Oh, Anko's recon team, considering it's just Anko and some minor Hyuga and Aburame.
And yet Omoi has actual victories behind him. awesome
Yeah, Sasori puppet does tip the scale. And I really didn't consider the Sound 4.
Originally posted by Q99
Which one possessed Kinkaku? That's right, Ino. Who can take two bodies at once? Ino. She's so much better than she was back in the Hidan fight it's not even funny.
Which one stopped Kinkaku so she could do that there possessing? Shikamaru. I wasn't aware we were judging Shikamaru on something he can't do. And cool, two bodies at once. Shikamaru has shown the ability to trap 9 shinobi on basically no chakra though, so....9>2. And yes, she is far better than in the Hidan fight, where she did nothing. However, Shikamaru is hands down the second or third best strategist we've seen in the manga, something that clearly gives him the edge over his team.
Choji might be stronger than him though, just due to sheer chakra output. Shika needed planning to take down Hidan, whereas Choji is casually holding Kakuzu in place like nothing. That is awesome.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Didn't Ino need Shikamaru's shadow's in order to bind said two people in order for her split mind-transfer to work?
Nope, she got the two Zetsu on her own.
TheAuraAngelWhich one stopped Kinkaku so she could do that there possessing? Shikamaru.
Yes, but he could only do it for the barest moment.
Shikamaru's awesome, no denying that, but Ino's at the point where she can reasonably snag high-level ninja and then use them.
It might just be a situation where it's really hard to say who's "Stronger." They're both crazy dangerous now.
Originally posted by Q99
Nope, she got the two Zetsu on her own.Yes, but he could only do it for the barest moment.
Shikamaru's awesome, no denying that, but Ino's at the point where she can reasonably snag high-level ninja and then use them.
It might just be a situation where it's really hard to say who's "Stronger." They're both crazy dangerous now.
Unconscious Zetsu I might add. I still don't get how that was possible lol.
That barest moment was what Ino needed in order to do her technique. And yes, her technique would logically have more of an effect based on design. However, because of it's slowness, it does fall short compared to Shika, who can do his more quickly and has the smarts to implement it most effectively.
And stronger is something one can't really define well in Naruto really. Just different. Do agree that both are far more skilled now than before.
Though as it stands, Choji seems to be the strongest on his own.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That barest moment was what Ino needed in order to do her technique. And yes, her technique would logically have more of an effect based on design. However, because of it's slowness, it does fall short compared to Shika, who can do his more quickly and has the smarts to implement it most effectively.
It's more effective per target vs faster and more targets
Though as it stands, Choji seems to be the strongest on his own.
Of course 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
It's more effective per target vs faster and more targetsOf course 🙂
Yeah, Ino is smart enough to be able to utilize it against one target, see Sakura vs Ino. Whereas Shika is certainly more equipped for the multiple targets.
Also, not only has he subdued Kakuzu but apparently Hizashi as well.
Originally posted by Q99
Oh yea, it is! Btw, who's that standing on his other hand?Huh, I'd go as far to say that at the moment, Shikamaru seems like the weakest of the team 🙂
So, what rank should we give him? B+? A-?
Guessing Hiashi, because it looks like Hizashi is trapped in Chouji's fist.
B+. His CC tech needs him to be fat in the first place, for greatest effect. Plus he uses it for brute force only.
In addition, his father is A-.
Originally posted by Q99It might just be a situation where it's really hard to say who's "Stronger." They're both crazy dangerous now.
It is. Ino's jutsu is far more effective if it lands, but Shikamaru can use his against a number of targets, and has a couple of other Shadow techs as well, like the one where he uses Asuma's knife.
Ino's likely better at Taijutsu, and might be a sensor as well.
That said, they're 'crazy dangerous' as a team. They've taken out Hidan, Kakuzu, Kinkaku and Asuma. They've got by far the best demonstrated teamwork in Naruto. Makes me wonder just how good they'll be once they all are Jonin-level.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Choji might be stronger than him though, just due to sheer chakra output. Shika needed planning to take down Hidan, whereas Choji is casually holding Kakuzu in place like nothing. That is awesome.
Assuming Chouji actually took out Kakuzu by himself, and not with help from Ino, Shika and the others; help he had asked for.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That said, they're 'crazy dangerous' as a team. They've taken out Hidan, Kakuzu, Kinkaku and Asuma. They've got by far the best demonstrated teamwork in Naruto. Makes me wonder just how good they'll be once they all are Jonin-level.
One side-idea that I had is ranking teams that have additional effectiveness beyond the norm for three individuals of that rank working together.
Assuming Chouji actually took out Kakuzu by himself, and not with help from Ino, Shika and the others; help he had asked for.
Others had definitely been fighting Kakuzu and the masks too. Like that pair of Konoha chunin with the long swords and Tenten, and Darui was supposed to be helping out.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
B+. His CC tech needs him to be fat in the first place, for greatest effect. Plus he uses it for brute force only.
In addition, his father is A-.Assuming Chouji actually took out Kakuzu by himself, and not with help from Ino, Shika and the others; help he had asked for.
Considering the Akimichi clan is always eating and gaining fat, and the fact that the amount of fat does not necessarily=the amount of chakra, I don't think that should be a problem.
A lot of higher ranked characters are ranked so highly due to brute force only, so Choji deserves to be where his feats suggest. Darui thanked him personally, indicating that Choji likely turned the tide of the battle. His own dad is acknowledging him as ready to be the head of the entire clan, which seems to me like a father finally saying that his son is his equal.
He obviously had help, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Choji=Win. And is holding Kakuzu in place by himself. awesome
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Considering the Akimichi clan is always eating and gaining fat, and the fact that the amount of fat does not necessarily=the amount of chakra, I don't think that should be a problem.A lot of higher ranked characters are ranked so highly due to brute force only, so Choji deserves to be where his feats suggest. Darui thanked him personally, indicating that Choji likely turned the tide of the battle. His own dad is acknowledging him as ready to be the head of the entire clan, which seems to me like a father finally saying that his son is his equal.
He obviously had help, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Choji=Win. And is holding Kakuzu in place by himself. awesome
It's a Calorie-related tech, so he's converting the energy in his body into chakra. He loses body fat whenever he activates the tech, and fats give a lot more energy than carbs do per gram. So his body fat is by far the greatest contributer to the amount of chakra he'll have when he uses CC.
Also, it would likely take at least a year for Chouji to regain that much fat. If he activates the tech, he won't be able to pull off the same feat for a while.
K, so then he deserves to be in B+. He's not always going to be able to use such brute force at his whim, unlike some of the other characters.
Could have just been Chouji's help with Kakuzu. Kakuzu was the most dangerous ninja there after all.
Yeah, he's ready to head the clan, but that doesn't mean he's as strong as his dad is. His dad is fatter, can use a pretty good barrier tech, and has more experience with the clan's jutsu than Chouji does.
Meh, yeah, determined Chouji = Win.
Holding down an opponent isn't that hard to do when you are super-sized and said opponent has already been beaten down.
~ Madara's totally going to pwn Chouji and the others now. awesome
Originally posted by Q99
One side-idea that I had is ranking teams that have additional effectiveness beyond the norm for three individuals of that rank working together.
I figured as much.
We've got a bunch of teams, but we've really only seen a few of them in action. I still think Team 10 would have the best team-work thanks in part to Shikamaru's strategic prowess, and the whole Ino-Shika-Chou ideal.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I figured as much.We've got a bunch of teams, but we've really only seen a few of them in action. I still think Team 10 would have the best team-work thanks in part to Shikamaru's strategic prowess, and the whole Ino-Shika-Chou ideal.
Definitely.
And I'd primarily be talking about ones with a synergy effect that makes them better than just that many ninja working together well.
For example, Ginkaku and Kinkaku, together, can use the treasures much more effectively than even just their individual raw power combined, it adds an entire new threat.
It might be too subjective to really rate, though.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's a Calorie-related tech, so he's converting the energy in his body into chakra. He loses body fat whenever he activates the tech, and fats give a lot more energy than carbs do per gram. So his body fat is by far the greatest contributer to the amount of chakra he'll have when he uses CC.
Also, it would likely take at least a year for Chouji to regain that much fat. If he activates the tech, he won't be able to pull off the same feat for a while.
I don't think that is how the technique really works. Chouji would be far far fatter when during the Sasuke Retrieval arc, what with him not training or doing any difficult missions and so on. Here he would have less fat than before and yet he is using the technique to a far greater extent than he was before. Look at how much chakra he got this time around compared to last time!
He might need a year to gain as much fat but that doesn't make the technique null and void. You don't have to be huge to use the technique, though it would certainly help.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
K, so then he deserves to be in B+. He's not always going to be able to use such brute force at his whim, unlike some of the other characters.
Could have just been Chouji's help with Kakuzu. Kakuzu was the most dangerous ninja there after all.
Yeah, he's ready to head the clan, but that doesn't mean he's as strong as his dad is. His dad is fatter, can use a pretty good barrier tech, and has more experience with the clan's jutsu than Chouji does.
He'll always have calories though. Unless they starve him or something.
Note, he thanked Chouji only, nobody else. Also note, Chouji is holding Hizashi instead of one of the sealing squad members. Keep in mind, Chouji said he would end the battle and next we see the battle is pretty much ended. He didn't end it alone of course, but I'm not arguing he did. If he had, he'd be well above A-.
Shikamaru and Ino have not received that much praise from their parents. It is worth noting that no negative side effects are mentioned about what Chouji is doing and his dad is basically saying Chouji is able to succeed him now. I've not seen his dad use a barrier technique, I've seen him stall for some others to use one.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, yeah, determined Chouji = Win.
Holding down an opponent isn't that hard to do when you are super-sized and said opponent has already been beaten down.~ Madara's totally going to pwn Chouji and the others now. awesome
It is when the opponent is genuinely unstoppable. If anything, it is a very impressive strength feat.
Madara is looking for paths right now correct? Well, "Hunger" was one and there is only one clan I know of that fits that kind of description. And two very strong members of said clan are right there....
Just food for thought though.