Demonic Phoenix
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Originally posted by dadudemon
While I agree with the first part, what actually occurs suggests otherwise. So what we think is happening is not really happening because Gaara launches his after YK's.Incorrect: the sand types did not readily mix. In fact, we see them "splat" off of each other. So that theories out.
We actually know the reason: the gold sand is heavier so it neutralizes Gaara's sand's movement as long as YK keeps enough momentum.
Except the Sand and the Gold dust did mix. That's what YK himself states as the reason for the halting of Gaara's Sand Tsunami.
And we only see them 'splat' off each other at the initial moment of contact. The Gold mixes in with the Sand immediately after that, which is what stopped the Sand Tsunami.
Nope. http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/46677395/16 They readily mix.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You're almost there with me.He says it's heavier and dulled the movement of Gaara's sand.
So I'll agree that it's actually both of what we're saying. Mixing is not the reason: it's the density of the gold "dust" sand that nulls Gaara's sand's movement. it does not mix, readily, either...it's more bouncing off. Look at the panel, again. It seems to actually stop the sand almost completely like two balls in a classic momentum test in a highschool physics class.
The second time they clash, it all falls down as one big blob...but Gaara still has his sand rise from the "sand" and continue onward. So it's what I was saying and what YK was saying: it's a momentum stopper.
You missed out a crucial part of his statement; he said it was heavier, and that it dulled the movement of Gaara's sand by mixing it into Gaara's sand. Now, it's perfectly plausible that it slowed the momentum of Gaara's Sand Tsunami, seeing as they 'splatted' at the initial moment of contact, but after that, it was the mixing in that stopped the sand.
Nah, the second time they clashed like that, after the initial splat, the Sand and Gold then start to move around each other. The Sand and Gold never fall down.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I got it from your keyboard. uhuh
Have you already forgotten? It's your keyboard now. I've switched to a better version. 313
Originally posted by dadudemon
The first part is actually a chakra control problem: concentrating too much into one area, instead of deeply into the tree and at the precise moment of contact, results in a failure, like you describe.I see, now, why you said it's shit: the idea makes so much sense it makes your post that I replied to look like a newb post. estahuh
Nope. They don't concentrate chakra deeply into the tree, but around their feet, and that is how the drawings portray it. If they concentrate chakra deeply into the tree it would act as a repellent type force. That's how they stand on water, by expelling chakra into the water to keep them afloat.
Nah. Your aptitude for shit-pulling from thin air just amazed me there, that's all. vin
Originally posted by dadudemon
Are you trying to prove my point because it makes perfect sense if that's exactly what they were doing.I'm confused...it looks like you're supporting my position.
You actually think that the scroll on Naruto's back was over a thousand tonnes, and that the frogs were able to stay in place by gripping it? whathefuk
Mate, that's just retarded.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's quite easy to explain:1. The tree was ginormously huge so it obviously had quite a bit of its own inertia.
2. Kishi doesn't think of every thing.
3. If Naruto was just "gripping" the surface, he would have slid right off with a chunk of bark attached to his feet.
1. He was standing on a Tree branch, which certainly does not weight a hundred or so tonnes, and most certainly does not share the same inertia as the stem of the tree (in an earlier scene, one of the branches that the same snake easily broke, was hollow). I can move a tree branch far more easily than I can a tree stem that is holding said branch.
2. Precisely. In other words, Kishi does not always take into account the physical laws of our world, when he writes Naruto.
3. Even if he was gripping the whole branch (which is impossible, seeing as they only grip the area directly under their feet, as that is where they are focusing chakra), the branch would still have broken off, resulting in Naruto, Sasuke, & Sakura becoming mince meat.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So where do we stand? From what I can see, you've only supported my points. Why? Is this some secret "I agree with you" technique. hmm
Hardly. You've used some weird logic and assumptions to try and support your points in regards to the Chakra gripping discussion.