The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Like Karura being the image of hatred towards Gaara is any better? Sure his dad is the one that told his uncle to make up the story but both her and his dad were representations of hatred towards Gaara.

Kushina did virtually gift-wrap the Kyuubi during his inner battle.

Doesn't count, now that the truth is out, and Gaara knows what really happened.

Nah, she just restrained it at one point, and then tripped it in another; albeit, they were crucial, but Naruto was the one who did most of the work. Kushina's presence gave Naruto the willpower he needed, but that was on Naruto, not Kushina.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The outcome would've been different if Sasori had something 😄. Meh....Dick Dad get's stupid defeat scene...at least he deserved it unlike Sasori.
No way Muu's A-hole behavior is by far superior to Ni-Mizukage's comedy.

He did have something. Other people. Instead, both he and Deidara end up getting pwned by Sai, and Kankuro then uses talk-no-jutsu.

I never said it was.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
All hail the particle disembling mummy that can turn invisible.

Someone seems butt-hurt.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Doesn't count, now that the truth is out, and Gaara knows what really happened.

Nah, she just restrained it at one point, and then tripped it in another; albeit, they were crucial, but Naruto was the one who did most of the work. Kushina's presence gave Naruto the willpower he needed, but that was on Naruto, not Kushina.

Just like how Itachi being an object of hate for Sasuke doesn't count? Granted Itachi played the part a little too well unlike Karura.

Bee helped too along with Kushina....thus meaning it wasn't entirely Naruto that took control over it. However I will say Kushina was pretty useless for her kid....just saying.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

He did have something. Other people. Instead, both he and Deidara end up getting pwned by Sai, and Kankuro then uses talk-no-jutsu.

I never said it was.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Someone seems butt-hurt.

At least Muu's big trump card isn't a Giant ****ing Clam

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So did Karura, on multiple occasions.vin
Karura gave auto-defense. Kushina helped Naruto out a little bit. She didn't hand the Kyuubi's chakra to him on a silver platter.
On the other hand, I can say that that 'Kushina' was really just Itachi's genjutsu crow in action. awesome

Sasori didn't have anything to work with, but he was still defeated by Kankuro's words. facepalm YK gave up after Gaara finished crying and forgave him. Same difference.
I admit, he's the best of the lot.

Difference is that it takes limb movement speed and hand-eye co-ordination to pull off that Shuriken spam, whereas it takes chuunin-level skill to pull off a Clone tech.
The same genin that Gaara's Sand could not stop.

Nah, Itachi did not want to trap the entire World with genjutsu. Otherwise, Madara would have used him instead of the Moon. Ergo, people just forgot because Itachi was clearly far superior in genjutsu. awesome

Turned the Sand to Ice methinks.

When? :3
And she pretty much did. Had she not interfered, Naruto would have lost. I.e died. And nah, it couldn't be Itachi.

After being defeated by his puppets. Or rather, by Sai, while Kankuro talked shit. And hell yeah Mizukage is the best of the lot. awesome

Anyone with sharingan qualifies for that. Doesn't make what they did much special or taijutsu strong. And Gaara's sand did not have the good sense(likely cause it was affected by Karura's smarts.😖hifty: ) to basically side step it.

Madara likes to be flashy. He'd have used the Moon anyway. And Itachi was dying, so he couldn't keep him around. vin

Why does everyone connect him to Ice? XD

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'd also like to add that Muu seems ridiculously powerful, especially now that he's immortal. Easily one of the strongest ninja we've seen.

Yea.

4th Kazekage I think just fits in S due to the utility and power of giant waves of gold he can do repeatedly, but he's way at the bottom.

Muu on the flip side, is one of the stronger within S+! His dust release, *and* invisibility? Super-nasty.

He seems to lack flying though. That is funny I suppose. I was wondering why Onoki didn't have invisibility. The answer is obvious though.

This reminds me of me and my friends putting together a team of Edo Tensei resurrected Shinobi. His idea so he picked first and took Muu as his Kage(you could only have one Kage). I nullified that choice by picking Hizashi, so that Muu could no longer be invisible! awesome

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Just like how Itachi being an object of hate for Sasuke doesn't count? Granted Itachi played the part a little too well unlike Karura.

Bee helped too along with Kushina....thus meaning it wasn't entirely Naruto that took control over it. However I will say Kushina was pretty useless for her kid....just saying.

Third Kazekage puppet + self-made puppets(Sasori's anyway)>>>>fodder ninja. I blame Kabuto for his shitty job a controlling the zombies; for instance the living Deidera would've beat all of them IMHO via C3

At least Muu's big trump card isn't a Giant ****ing Clam

Seeing how Sasuke forgave him and let go of his hate for Itachi (and transposed it onto Konoha), I think it only partially counts, because Itachi still did shit to him, while Karura did not do anything bad to Gaara.
He did what though? Stopped the menacing ball? Naruto would never have done it without Bee and Kushina (nor would he still be alive), but that does not change the fact that Naruto did most of it with his own power. Kushina helped bring out that power, and Bee saved his ass once.

I think Kabuto let them have free rein.

Wait, I am confused. Are you not liking about Mizukage, or Muu? Coz they're both awesome awesome

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
When? :3
And she pretty much did. Had she not interfered, Naruto would have lost. I.e died. And nah, it couldn't be Itachi.

After being defeated by his puppets. Or rather, by Sai, while Kankuro talked shit. And hell yeah Mizukage is the best of the lot. awesome

Anyone with sharingan qualifies for that. Doesn't make what they did much special or taijutsu strong. And Gaara's sand did not have the good sense(likely cause it was affected by Karura's smarts.😖hifty: ) to basically side step it.

Madara likes to be flashy. He'd have used the Moon anyway. And Itachi was dying, so he couldn't keep him around. vin

Why does everyone connect him to Ice? XD

Every single time Auto-defense was used
Nah, she didn't. Last I checked, it was Naruto's techs that beat the Kyuubi into submission in his mind. Kushina and Bee both helped obviously. And forget dying, Karura made it so that Gaara would rarely get hurt.
Why not? Itachi genjutsu >>> Sasuke genjutsu > Naruto/Kyuubi. vin

That was Sai, not Kankuro. Kankuro was the one that actually talked him to death.
Your favorite quote of Mizukage's? Mine was the eyebrows thing. The 'tiny goatee' comment from Muu just made it funnier.

Anyone with a three tomoe qualifies for slow-mo, not great hand-eye co-ordination, and certainly not great limb-movement speed.
Not special huh? I suppose that's why pretty much no one else has shown such a feat. Even Minato. vin
Or Gaara himself didn't have the good sense to get out of the way.

Nah, he likes subtlety. He's only flashy when he's pressed. Madara would have used Hashirama's cells on Itachi to prolong his life. 😛

Coz he's connected to Water? Would be awesome if he could use Ice though.

Originally posted by Q99

Muu on the flip side, is one of the stronger within S+! His dust release, *and* invisibility? Super-nasty.

Muu's probably in the top 3 within S+. Dust Release, invisibility (to the point where regular chakra sensors cannot detect him apparently), chakra sensing, & Fire/Wind/Earth release, make him incredibly versatile. He also had swords before, so he likely has good taijutsu skills, and he was the only one to avoid the Sand arms that trapped the other three. Plus Dust Release makes him a monster in both one-on-one combat, and army battles.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I dunno if he can regenerate when his molecules have been disintegrated.
That said, yeah, he's stupidly powerful. Army buster.

Anyway, Muu stated that Gaara had pretty much the same chakra as his dad (or rather, someone in the army, but Gaara seems to be the most obvious choice). Does this mean that Gaara is capable of using Magnet-Release, but has not been trained to do so?

I'm beginning to strongly suspect that advanced elements are more than just genetics. Rather, even if you have the genetics for an advanced element, you still need to know a proper jutsu to actually apply those elements. Like, Mei and Onoki both have three elements. Why can only Onoki use a kekkai tota? Well apparently it was a secret technique that Muu passed on to him. So I think there could have been lots of "potential" dust users in the past, but Muu was the only one to ever figure out the secret to doing it. Similarly, it seems possible for Gaara to have magnet element; but due to his own, superior abilities, he never took the time to be instructed in it.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Seeing how Sasuke forgave him and let go of his hate for Itachi (and transposed it onto Konoha), I think it only partially counts, because Itachi still did shit to him, while Karura did not do anything bad to Gaara.
He did what though? Stopped the menacing ball? Naruto would never have done it without Bee and Kushina (nor would he still be alive), but that does not change the fact that Naruto did most of it with his own power. Kushina helped bring out that power, and Bee saved his ass once.

I think Kabuto let them have free rein.

Wait, I am confused. Are you not liking about Mizukage, or Muu? Coz they're both awesome awesome

Karura still fit the image up until recently however Gaara's dad might've been better to compare Itachi with. The fact that Gaara thought his momz hated him for pretty much his whole life still counts IMO.

Naruto was on the losing end until Kushina came in the picture. That one Menacing Ball would've messed Naruto up so go Bee 🙂. Naruto only did stuff at the end with the fox already breaking out the chains and whatnot.

But we both agree that Kushina didn't really do much of anything for Naruto so I don't know why I'm arguing this point.

Kabuto let most of the useful zombies have free reign but still had a form of auto-pilot that made them fight against their will. It only helped use their skill to their peak and even that is moot due to the effect of talk-no-jutsu.

Muu's more awesome than the Ni-Mizukage. That's what I'm saying...however I don't know how to interpret the Giant ****ing Clam.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He seems to lack flying though. That is funny I suppose. I was wondering why Onoki didn't have invisibility.

I suspect Onoki's got the better Dust Release skills, while Muu has more powers total.

Demonic Phoenix

Muu's probably in the top 3 within S+. Dust Release, invisibility (to the point where regular chakra sensors cannot detect him apparently), chakra sensing, & Fire/Wind/Earth release, make him incredibly versatile. He also had swords before, so he likely has good taijutsu skills, and he was the only one to avoid the Sand arms that trapped the other three. Plus Dust Release makes him a monster in both one-on-one combat, and army battles.

He really hit the genetic jackpot, didn't he? Potential for Dust release and sensor power.

wakkawakkawakka

Muu's more awesome than the Ni-Mizukage. That's what I'm saying...however I don't know how to interpret the Giant ****ing Clam.

"I'm so awesome I can beat you down with a clam"?

Clams are manly.

Not as manly as Muu though. I thought Muu was manly the moment I noticed he was a mummy. Now he is even manlier.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If dust release destroyed zombies, Onoki wouldn't have been sitting around, he'd have basically been going around wrapping up this whole war himself. Like Muu said, numbers are meaningless to a dust user.

I'm beginning to strongly suspect that advanced elements are more than just genetics. Rather, even if you have the genetics for an advanced element, you still need to know a proper jutsu to actually apply those elements. Like, Mei and Onoki both have three elements. Why can only Onoki use a kekkai tota? Well apparently it was a secret technique that Muu passed on to him. So I think there could have been lots of "potential" dust users in the past, but Muu was the only one to ever figure out the secret to doing it. Similarly, it seems possible for Gaara to have magnet element; but due to his own, superior abilities, he never took the time to be instructed in it.

Right, that's if he knew Dust Release did not work against Edo Zombies. He was about to use one against Deidara, and both he & Kabuto were kind of afraid.

Agreed. Naruto would never have been able to use Wind-Release, unless Kakashi & Yamato had trained him. It's the same deal IMO.
To use Advanced Releases, you have to have the right genes, and you have to train and gain proficiency with using that Kekkei Genkai.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Every single time Auto-defense was used
Nah, she didn't. Last I checked, it was Naruto's techs that beat the Kyuubi into submission in his mind. Kushina and Bee both helped obviously. And forget dying, Karura made it so that Gaara would rarely get hurt.
Why not? Itachi genjutsu >>> Sasuke genjutsu > Naruto/Kyuubi. vin

That was Sai, not Kankuro. Kankuro was the one that actually talked him to death.
Your favorite quote of Mizukage's? Mine was the eyebrows thing. The 'tiny goatee' comment from Muu just made it funnier.

Anyone with a three tomoe qualifies for slow-mo, not great hand-eye co-ordination, and certainly not great limb-movement speed.
Not special huh? I suppose that's why pretty much no one else has shown such a feat. Even Minato. vin
Or Gaara himself didn't have the good sense to get out of the way.

Nah, he likes subtlety. He's only flashy when he's pressed. Madara would have used Hashirama's cells on Itachi to prolong his life. 😛

Coz he's connected to Water? Would be awesome if he could use Ice though.

Every time auto defense was used it was saving his life huh?
And it was Kushina's chains that wrapped the Kyuubi up so Naruto could beat it into submission. And Kushina made it so her son could not only take hits but get up minutes later thanks to Kyuubi's healing factor.
Cause how would Itachi know the things Kushina told Naruto?

After Sai beat him.
And yes, that was funny. I also liked the smartass line about that being a lot of sand, whose village do you think made that?

Indeed, which is why him matching Sasuke doesn't prove much. 😛
No one else needs a feat. But if Minato needs one, he *beat* Madara.
Or the Sand did not have the good sense to grab him.

Because if you look at his battles with the army, he is very subtle. Look at that outfit, how subtle can he be? Hashirama's cells would not touch Itachi. vin

So was Mei but I don't remember her being connected to Ice. I guess Haku just isn't enough to satisfy you people.

I liked "Every kid his age has friends!", rubbing Gaaradad's nose in it.

Oh, I can't believe I forgot about the whole "This wasn't just some two year time skip" line. XD

i still think that was a typo since that guy was dead for a lot longer than 2 years

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Every time auto defense was used it was saving his life huh?
And it was Kushina's chains that wrapped the Kyuubi up so Naruto could beat it into submission. And Kushina made it so her son could not only take hits but get up minutes later thanks to Kyuubi's healing factor.
Cause how would Itachi know the things Kushina told Naruto?

After Sai beat him.
And yes, that was funny. I also liked the smartass line about that being a lot of sand, whose village do you think made that?

Indeed, which is why him matching Sasuke doesn't prove much. 😛
No one else needs a feat. But if Minato needs one, he *beat* Madara.
Or the Sand did not have the good sense to grab him.

Because if you look at his battles with the army, he is very subtle. Look at that outfit, how subtle can he be? Hashirama's cells would not touch Itachi. vin

So was Mei but I don't remember her being connected to Ice. I guess Haku just isn't enough to satisfy you people.

Well, maybe not every time. Still protected him from damage in most cases.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v53/c499/6.html I see only one chain. She used it to trip him, and Kyuubi recovered quickly from that multi rasengan spam.And he still beat it down before Kushina arrived. Kyuubi just used its hatred to pwn Naruto, which did not work the second time.
Nope, that was Minato who did that for Naruto, not Kushina. doped
Kushina told Mikoto who told Itachi, while Kyuubi told Itachi the rest. vin

He also beat Deidara in the same fashion, but Deidara was able to resist Kankuro's BS.
Where was that 'two year time-skip' line? Because Kishi might have intended that as a 'Breaking the Fourth Wall' kind of thing.

It proves he still has limb-movement speed and hand-eye co-ordination. They were a few feet from each other. I doubt Kakashi would be able to pull that shit off, let alone make the hand-seal for a Bunshin in the middle of it.
Apples to Oranges, dood. Also, he beat a Madara that did not use Izanagi against him. Or I can be a smartass and say that Itachi himself would have killed Madara, while he himself was dead, had it not been for Izanagi vin (because I doubt Itachi did not know about intangibility, though it could have worked in that situation).
It only protects Gaara on its own, it doesn't grab people on its own.

Right, that's after he declared he was done with working in the shadows. U SHUR? Hashirama can't get enough of the Uchiha.

Because she never demonstrated anything remotely resembling Ice?
The main reason I say he used Ice is because it looked like he used Ice.

(Damn this troll discussion is getting longer and longer)

some possibilities/things to clear up IF naruto & bee vs nagato & itachi actually happens, and if they talk:

- the crow thing might come into play finally

- nagato/itachi's implied power could be shown against arguably the two most powerful characters in the manga in terms of chackra and speed.

- samahada not being with kisame being addressed, and it possibly being used to cut susano'o

- etc

I wonder if Samehada is effective against Susanoo? I don't see why not.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i still think that was a typo since that guy was dead for a lot longer than 2 years

That's not a typo, that's part of the joke.

Originally posted by psycho gundam some possibilities/things to clear up IF naruto & bee vs nagato & itachi actually happens, and if they talk:

- the crow thing might come into play finally

- nagato/itachi's implied power could be shown against arguably the two most powerful characters in the manga in terms of chackra and speed.

- samahada not being with kisame being addressed, and it possibly being used to cut susano'o

- etc

When it comes to chakra, there are several ninjas with huge amounts of it (and Itachi is not one of them by the way). When it comes to speed, A and Minato easily outshine Itachi...