b and naruto are who i addressed. they each have a massive reserve of chackra and their speed is top notch.
if there's any time for itachi and nagato to be used at full capacity it would be against them, of coarse personality will play a part in it but kabuto should take this seriously now that he knows they're on the battlefield
Stats:
SS-
Nagato (Pain)
S+
Itachi Uchiha
Killerbee
Kushina Uzumaki
Madara Uchiha (Sharingan only)
Minato Namikaze
Mito Uzumai
Muu
Onoki
S
A (Raikage)
Danzo (with implant jutsu)
Deidara
Gaara (Kage)
Hiruzen Sarutobi (Old)
Jiraiya
Kakashi Hatake (Mastered Kamui)
Kakuzu
Kisame Hoshigaki (with Samehada)
Konan*
Mei Terumi
Naruto Uzumaki (Sage Mode)
Orochimaru*
Sandaime Kazekage (3rd)
Sasori
Sasuke Uchiha (Orochimaru merge/mangekyo)
Tsunade
Yondaime Kazekage (4th)
S-
Chiyo
Danzo (without implant jutsu)
Darui
Ginkaku
Hidan
Kabuto* (Orochimaru merge)
Kakashi Hatake (start of part 2)
Kimimaro Kaguya (healthy)
Kinkaku
Kisame Hoshigaki (without Samehada)
Kitsuchi
Mifune
Might Gai (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (start of part 2)
*These characters have jutsu that require specific preparation that can't be done mid combat but increase their ability significantly, such as Edo Tensei or readying unusual amounts of explosive tags.
A+
Asuma Sarutobi
Hiashi Hyuuga
Kabuto Yakushi
Kakashi Hatake (part 1)
Kimimaro Kaguya (sick)
Might Gai (part 1)
Yamato
Zabuza Momochi
A
Ao
Baki
C
Fū (ANBU)
Hizashi Hyuuga
Jūgo
Kankurō (with Sasori puppet)
Killer Bee (Young, Minato fight)
Kurenai Yuhi
Kurotsuchi
Naruto Uzumaki (post elemental training)
Neji Hyuuga (part 2)
Shikaku Nara
Suigetsu Hōzuki
Torune
A-
Chōjūrō
Chōji Akimichi (Asuma Fight)
Chōza Akimichi
Gaara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Inoichi Yamanaka
Kakko (Kakashi Gaiden)
Naruto Uzumaki (start of part 2)
Sai (post-emotions)
Shibi Aburame
Shizune
Temari (start of part 2)
B+
Anko Mitarashi
Ibiki Morino
Kakashi Hatake (Kakashi Gaiden)
Kankurō (as of Sasori fight)
Naruto Uzumaki (One Tail)
Rock Lee (part 2)
Sai (start)
Sakura Haruno (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (VotE)
B
Gaara (Chuunin Exam)
Haku
Ino Yamanaka (4th Shinobi War)
Kankurō (Sasuke Retrieval)
Omoi
Sakon/Ukon
Shino Aburame (part 2)
Shikamaru Nara (part 2)
Taiseki (Kakashi Gaiden)
Temari (Sasuke Retrieval)
Tsume Inuzuka
B-
Aoba Yamashiro
Chōji Akimichi (start of part 2)
Hayate Gekkō
Hinata Hyuuga (part 2)
Jirōbō
Kiba Inazuka (part 2)
Kidōmaru
Neji Hyuuga (Sasuke Retrieval)
Shin
Tayuya
C+
Ebisu
Ino Yamanaka (start of part 2)
Karin
Naruto Uzumaki (Post Rasengan Training)
Neji Hyuga (Chunin exam)
Rock Lee (Chunin exam)
Sasuke Uchiha (Chunin exam finals)
Shikamaru Nara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Temari (Chunin exam)
White Zetsu Clone
C
Dosu
Iruka
Izumo Kamizuki
Kankuro (Chunin exam)
Konohamaru Sarutobi (part 2)
Kotetsu Hagane
Obito Uchiha (Sharingan)
Rin
Sasuke Uchiha (Sharingan)
Shikamaru Nara (Chunin exam)
Shino Aburame (Chunin exam)
C-
Gōzu (Demon Brother)
Kiba Inazuka (Chunin exam)
Meizu (Demon Brother)
Mizuki
Naruto Uzumaki (Post clone jutsu)
Obito Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Sasuke Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Shigure
D+
Chōji Akimichi (Chunin exam)
Hinata Hyuga (part 1)
Ino Yamanaka (Chunin exam)
Kin
Oboro
Tenten (Chunin exam)
Zaku
D
Misumi Tsurugi
Sakura Haruno (Chunin exam)
Yoroi Akadō
D-
Rock Lee (Just graduated Genin)
Sakura Haruno (Start)
E+
Naruto Uzumaki (pre-clone jutsu)
E-
Konohamaru Sarutobi (start)
Rock Lee (Academy flashback)
--
Added Kazekages 3 and 4, as well as White Zetsu Clones.
Yep, Kitsuchi, he's at S-.
And I'm waiting for a reason to bump up Kabuto. Resurrection requires prep and materials, as massively powerful as it is, so it gets a * rather than a direct rating. As soon as we see him do more personally, then he'll likely lose the minus.
Remember that an * means someone can become far stronger than their rating implies if they can use prep abilities.
.... hm, anyone for putting Sasori sans puppet arsenal at S- or A+?
Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't see why prep should be distinguished from their regular abilities. All ninja prep. Its like saying the ninja gets no kunai, because it takes prep to go stock up on them.
In a meta sense? Mostly it's a way to have IWR not utterly erase every other factor of someone's rating.
In a practical sense there's also a difference between regular prep/having your normal weapons and such, and non-standard prep that requires specific materials that the ninja often won't have with them and can't do in mid battle.
Like in the island fight- Kabuto faced Kurotsuchi and such on his own. He didn't specifically prep zombies to fight them so he only had his ordinary combat abilities.
---
There are certain abilities where whether or not they're there drastically changes a character's power, and whether or not they're there is decided by preparations hours or days before, the gathering of certain materials, and such, not simply by if the user decided to grab their sword or not.
edo tensei summons just have to be prepared once, after that they're part of his jutsu and can be summoned mid battle whenever he feels like it.
when tobi went after him he immediately summoned akatsuki, so it's a valid tactic that can be used in battle. also, the ninja he summoned are no different than the ninja tools of ten ten (though with personalities, but that's optional)
Originally posted by King Kandy
But this is supposed to be their ranks as ninja. Not just their power as fighters. Obviously, a ninja with great prep skills would be higher ranked than one with nothing.
It's not like it isn't specifically marked in the rankings with an *.
It's just it'd affect a character's ranking so much that I think it's more informative to make it a special case. An S* is not an S. It is an S with a stat-breaking ability.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
edo tensei summons just have to be prepared once, after that they're part of his jutsu and can be summoned mid battle whenever he feels like it.
Note that when going to turtle island he specifically brought just one, Deidara, and called in no more once he was there.
Nor did Orochimaru ever use it to call help when he was hard-pressed save for the one time he had specifically gotten them ready for that fight.
Edo Tensei ones can be summoned, but it doesn't appear to be a whenever-they-feel-like-it thing like with snakes and toads and such.
when tobi went after him he immediately summoned akatsuki, so it's a valid tactic that can be used in battle. also, the ninja he summoned are no different than the ninja tools of ten ten (though with personalities, but that's optional)
She pops those out of scrolls, but she always carries the storage scrolls and uses them in every single fight. That's more like the 'carry kunai' category.
the island thing was plot induced, though he really only needed deidara for flight
kabuto doesn't need scrolls to summon, just to gain more summons
Originally posted by Q99sure he can
Note that when going to turtle island he specifically brought just one, Deidara, and called in no more once he was there.Nor did Orochimaru ever use it to call help when he was hard-pressed save for the one time he had specifically gotten them ready for that fight.
Edo Tensei ones can be summoned, but it doesn't appear to be a whenever-they-feel-like-it thing like with snakes and toads and such.
and kabuto can summon them through muu
I agree with Q99, here.
Kabuto, until proven otherwise, is S- to an S with an asterisk. ET is pretty much so specific and "full of win" that it is very unique. It takes time and is very difficult to prepare, by Kabuto's own words.
If we want to force Kabuto as "fully summoned" and prepared, then that's like giving Naruto several shadow clones in Kyuubi tech mode, several in meditation mode, several with rasengans, several with mini rasengans, several giant toad summons, and several with rasenshuriken's ready the throw. Even then, Naruto could still accomplish that much faster than Kabuto did with all of his preparation and summoning. In fact, based on how fast Naruto mass kyuubi mode shadow, cloned, toad summoned, mini rasenshuriken'ed, and rasegan'ed, I would not put it past Naruto to be able to due all of the stuff I mentioned in less than 30 seconds.
But no one will complain, I'm sure, of Naruto not getting to get all that prep.
This is why we can't just give Kabuto years of prep all at once for a base raring. The asterisk is the absolute best way to properly measure them, imo.
On a side note, if you wanted to add an asterisk next to Naruto for his 'prep', I don't see why you couldn't bump him up to an SS-. IMO, he's a more versatile summoner and jutsu user than both Minato and Jiraiya, now. His speed is amongst the very best, now. And the power of his jutsus, alone, are among the top 5 in Naruto.
And if we are to be 100% honest, Itachi is technically unbeatable with his mirror shield and sealing sword. His only bane would be his stamina.
I see no reason naruto couldn't be an SS-. He seems deserving of it nowadays. I think in his current form he could defeat Pain (except maybe chibaku tensei). Well, he's going to face off against Nagato so we will see a little more accurately how the two stack up.
Why is Kushina in s+? OK, she has the uzumaki-type chakra. Whatever. Yamato can do the same stuff. And she was a jinchuriki. We have no idea how proficient she was, but note how she is not considered a "full master" like Bee or Yagura. She couldn't do the sense-evil thing, so it seems to me like her proficiency was probably even less than current naruto. We also don't know any unique jutsu as far as combat goes. I don't see why she should be in the same tier as the immensely powerful beings of S+.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I see no reason naruto couldn't be an SS-. He seems deserving of it nowadays. I think in his current form he could defeat Pain (except maybe chibaku tensei). Well, he's going to face off against Nagato so we will see a little more accurately how the two stack up.
Indeed. This will tell me if Naruto is deserving of SS- or not.
Nagato doesn't have all of his bodies, though...which will put him at a "location" disadvantage. He used those bodies very effectively against Jiraiya to prevent big J from getting the drop on him.
Without those bodies and extra eyes, he will have difficulty against someone as fast as Naruto.
I honestly think that Kishi is going to have to use PIS with Nagato in order to make the fight interesting. I think it's Itachi that will provide the most trouble.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Why is Kushina in s+? OK, she has the uzumaki-type chakra. Whatever. Yamato can do the same stuff. And she was a jinchuriki. We have no idea how proficient she was, but note how she is not considered a "full master" like Bee or Yagura. She couldn't do the sense-evil thing, so it seems to me like her proficiency was probably even less than current naruto. We also don't know any unique jutsu as far as combat goes. I don't see why she should be in the same tier as the immensely powerful beings of S+.
I think Kushina is a solid S, but not S+. She's one of the best masters over the kyuubi, has hand seals as good as or better than Minato cause she taught him, has incredibly powerful chakra, and can create among the best if not the best barriers erected. She's also incredibly strong.
Hand Seals: 5
Strength: 5
Stamina: 5
Ninjutsu: 4-5
Speed: 3-4
Taijutsu: 3-4
Intelligence: 3-4
Genjutsu: 2-4 (I have a theory that jounin's (full) have to have a minimum of genjutsu of 3. I could not find an exception.)
Low-end total: 30
High-end total: 36
That puts her either as a strong jounin or among the very strongest of Naruto characters. With the Kyuubi, she's easily one of the strongest (20) Naruto characters.
Originally posted by Q99.... hm, anyone for putting Sasori sans puppet arsenal at S- or A+?
Basically a Sasori with pretty much most of his arsenal removed?
A?
As for the asterisk thing, I too agree with you.
Alternatively, you could simply add a rank for Kabuto with ET zombies included, in which case, he'd easily be SS, even with just the 5 Akatsuki Zombies.
Kabuto by himself on the other hand, has most if not all of Orochimaru's techs (though is not as good as he was), and he has a much better boss summon, with said summon having the best strength feat in the series, assuming Onoki's feat was not strength related.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I see no reason naruto couldn't be an SS-. He seems deserving of it nowadays. I think in his current form he could defeat Pain (except maybe chibaku tensei). Well, he's going to face off against Nagato so we will see a little more accurately how the two stack up.
A Nagato that can barely walk, and lacks the Six Paths of Pain. Like that, Nagato is at best an S+. I say S+ because he still has all his abilities, and can use summons to get around his handicap, but he lacks the bodies and the 6-way vision.
Killerbee is still more powerful than Naruto, IMO. Maybe the next chapter will change things.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think Kushina is a solid S, but not S+. She's one of the best masters over the kyuubi, has hand seals as good as or better than Minato cause she taught him, has incredibly powerful chakra, and can create among the best if not the best barriers erected. She's also incredibly strong.
Otherwise, agreed (though I will not agree with the stats). She had sealing jutsu that were > Minato's, ninja techniques akin to Naruto's before he learned Sage Mode, and her chains could restrict something as strong as the Kyuubi, even when she was nearly dead.
Even if Kushina could not control the Kyuubi's powers the way the other two Jinchuurikii could, she could likely still use its chakra for stuff like healing, bijuu cloaks, and so on.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Current Nagato has advantages over Pain as well though. This one is immortal (whereas the original killed himself through overexertion. That won't happen here).For that matter why is Mito Uzumaki S+? Talk about a total unknown. I don't see the slightest indication she should be there.
She the legendary handseals, Kyuubi mastery, and a full powered kyuubi.
Her speed, strength, stamina, taijutsu, and ninjutsu, alone, would make her an S, easily.
Having the strongest bijuu and having almost a completely level of mastery pretty much makes you and S no matter what.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Current Nagato has advantages over Pain as well though. This one is immortal (whereas the original killed himself through overexertion. That won't happen here).For that matter why is Mito Uzumaki S+? Talk about a total unknown. I don't see the slightest indication she should be there.
Something like that likely wouldn't happen in most fights, seeing as he has a very very high amount of chakra anyway.
At the very least, Mito Uzumaki could use the Kyuubi's powers the way Naruto currently can. She too had access to Evil-detection. In addition, if she could use the Kyuubi's chakra the way Naruto could, she would have twice the chakra to use that he did, seeing as Naruto only contains half the chakra of the Kyuubi,.
I'll also point out the design she had on her forehead, which is exactly the same as Tsunade's seal. However, whether or not it was a seal to store chakra is unknown, but given the Uzumaki talent with Sealing jutsu, I don't see why not. Otherwise, yeah, unknown.
