Or Mito used that level of power for something else. Her kyuubi-mode should have *more* chakra, after all.
And Mito has done none of those.
But she's a known master in that area.
BTW where does it ever say Danzo used an uzumaki seal?
The seal he used was the reverse four elements sealing technique.
The four elements sealing technique is the one the Uzumakis invented for use on hosts.
Originally posted by King Kandy
And these chakra claws have done what?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, that's your opinion but you need understand something. That opinion is 100% based on him dodging one punch. If you look at the rest of the fight, A would have unquestionably won. Everyone was saying the whole time that Naruto would get a beat down. And then he dodges one attack and now A is a "joke"? This is indefensible logic. Naruto has not the slightest feat to his credit that would give that impression.Again, you are very inconsistent on this as well. Jugo avoided his attack. According to you, this LITERALLY means Jugo would beat Raikage like a joke.
lol a fight. Naruto never tried to do anything to A so a fight? Not hardly. And yes, because his one punch, his FASTEST PUNCH, was dodged by Naruto, it means A would be considered a joke. However, that would only apply to people capable of moving at such speeds. Not many of them. Naruto did dodge his fastest attack though and since A's entire style depends on his speed, it means Naruto is quite a bit above A.
lol Jugo didn't avoid anything. He blocked it. And A could in fact go faster. Just because it is one trick, doesn't mean said trick does not come on various levels.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, GEE, if he is such a "one trick pony", how come Jugo got raped? Obviously avoiding an attack means very, very little. And you dodge around this by saying "well sasuke hurt him". Relevance = 0.And Mito has shown... a seal. and sensing evil. Other than that ZIP.
lol Jugo is not very good. And kindly explain the different type of move Raikage did there in his fight against Jugo. From what I saw, he ran at him and hit him, dodged, and then hit him again. His thing is he can run and hit people. And Sasuke did hurt him, meaning he already struggles with people at his level, which Mito, sans Kyuubi, already is.
She hasn't shown anything what with her being dead. Going by what is implied, she should have the same mode as Naruto.
Originally posted by King Kandy
THOSE are the reasons. The kyuubi form is nothing special. Physically A can kill it in one blow and it is around him in speed. It is much less advanced than the forms Bee uses. Now, for Naruto, it is useful. He can use it for crazy rasengan combos, super clones, kuchiyose, etc. You know who can't do those things with it? Mito.
It is above him in speed. And obviously she can't do the rasengan, or summons. Clones is arguable since that is a common technique(not to mention where Naruto learned it from lends credence to the idea that she'd have it)though and she certainly would have enhanced powers. Enough to deal with A anyway.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Burned things.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
lol a fight. Naruto never tried to do anything to A so a fight? Not hardly. And yes, because his one punch, his FASTEST PUNCH, was dodged by Naruto, it means A would be considered a joke. However, that would only apply to people capable of moving at such speeds. Not many of them. Naruto did dodge his fastest attack though and since A's entire style depends on his speed, it means Naruto is quite a bit above A.lol Jugo didn't avoid anything. He blocked it. And A could in fact go faster. Just because it is one trick, doesn't mean said trick does not come on various levels.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
lol Jugo is not very good. And kindly explain the different type of move Raikage did there in his fight against Jugo. From what I saw, he ran at him and hit him, dodged, and then hit him again. His thing is he can run and hit people. And Sasuke did hurt him, meaning he already struggles with people at his level, which Mito, sans Kyuubi, already is.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
She hasn't shown anything what with her being dead. Going by what is implied, she should have the same mode as Naruto.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
It is above him in speed. And obviously she can't do the rasengan, or summons. Clones is arguable since that is a common technique(not to mention where Naruto learned it from lends credence to the idea that she'd have it)though and she certainly would have enhanced powers. Enough to deal with A anyway.
Originally posted by King Kandy
And when did Mito use those?
Never. She's never done anything, what with her being dead and no real combat flashback given to her. However, Naruto in his current mode can use them. Mito's is either similar or exactly the same. Probably the latter.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So you admit that you believe dodging someone's fastest punch means you can easily defeat them. Like I said, you do not live in reality. Watch a boxing match, MA match, whatever... dodging an attack does not mean much. If you can dodge someone's every attack, sure that's an advantage. Dodging one attack means nothing when someone can follow it up in combinations. This is a fact of combat.
lol you think A is fighting like a boxer? No. Let me give you an example of what A would be like in the Boxing ring: Boxer A and Boxer B(lol) are fighting. Boxer A charges at Boxer B, with one big super punch. Boxer B side steps it. Now Boxer A is in trouble. He can't dodge on a dime when he does this punch, and Boxer B will proceed to punch him repeatedly in the back. He'll recover, probably, but he still didn't do well in that exchange.
What A does is not a jab. He uses a charging punch. And when it is dodged, A doesn't stop on a dime, meaning anyone can hit him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
You're saying Mito WITHOUT Kyuubi is on A's level (or Sasuke's)? You are obviously not reading the same manga as us.I don't think it was implied at all. In fact, Tsunade implied that Naruto's speed was beyond other hosts. See, this is why we base things on feats and not baseless guesswork.
How did Naruto get control over the Kyuubi mode? Oh yeah, he beat it up what good in a straight up fight. He had help though and he was already an S class ninja. Mito probably did it herself.
Or, Tsunade could simply be surprised at Naruto's speed being as high as it is? A's speed is quite a bar for Naruto to be matching.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So you are basically admitting that she has nothing going for her except for stats. Well, stats that are below Naruto's, in all likelihood. I think it is telling that every single person except you thinks A would win in pure hand to hand. Which you just admitted is what it would go down to.
Stats? And why would they be below Naruto when she has the full Kyuubi? A hand to hand fight? Naw, chakra claws are cool like that. I still personally think A's defense is wanked because Minato seemed to pose a threat to it when he attacked A. But hey, that's just me.
Look, *any* dead character who hasn't been resurrected or shown in flashback is going to have some vagueness, but "Legendarily strong ninja with very high level control of the strongest Biju in it's strongest form,"
Due to biju-ball attacks, I do think anyone who's got solid mastery of a high tailed beast is probably going to be an S+ a lot of the time. They're very powerful strategic tools.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
XDWell, it's a bit tricky. Is it implied that Hidan himself took her down solo or did Kakuzu help? The first seems unlikely but it would make her S-. The latter would probably indicate an S.
She couldn't hang with the S+ crowd. What with her being a nub and all.
It seemed to be two-on-one, and there was a whole lot of destruction caused in the fight. Bee did respect her skill and power.
Yugito's control seemed fairly good, she could transform casually, but it was only 2-tails.
Also, Gaara's Uncle? 😛
Lesse, trusted ANBU, primarily a medic, floaty kunai are pretty good for assassinations but not exactly a high-powered move... Bs? Cs?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Burned things.
That's a bit of a reach no? Chakra hands that Naruto uses in the form we're discussing do not burn things, but they are pretty strong.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
How did Naruto get control over the Kyuubi mode? Oh yeah, he beat it up what good in a straight up fight. He had help though and he was already an S class ninja. Mito probably did it herself.
Or she too could have had help, from Hashirama.
Originally posted by Q99
Look, *any* dead character who hasn't been resurrected or shown in flashback is going to have some vagueness, but "Legendarily strong ninja with very high level control of the strongest Biju in it's strongest form,"Due to biju-ball attacks, I do think anyone who's got solid mastery of a high tailed beast is probably going to be an S+ a lot of the time. They're very powerful strategic tools.
Except both Mito and Kushina could not use Bijuu balls at will. Naruto himself cannot, and only Mito is implied to have the same skill as he currently does.
Originally posted by Q99
Uh... good question! No reason I can think of.Your thoughts?
She could go full bijuu at will, which is better than Naruto's current level of mastery. Plus in that state she could fire fireballs, and I bet she could also use the Tailed Beast Ball.
So, S.
And Bee doesn't just respect anyone. She musta been bawss.
I'd put him in Bs. I mean, it's not like he was trying to kill Gaara with that first attack.
Edit: Also DP, we've not seen much of the chakra claws in action! But yeah, if not hot, they are at least strong enough to hurt.
And that's possible but I'd wager he took on Yamato's role of sitting there just in case it got bad.
Originally posted by Q99
Look, *any* dead character who hasn't been resurrected or shown in flashback is going to have some vagueness, but "Legendarily strong ninja with very high level control of the strongest Biju in it's strongest form,"Due to biju-ball attacks, I do think anyone who's got solid mastery of a high tailed beast is probably going to be an S+ a lot of the time. They're very powerful strategic tools.
I doubt she knew the biju ball.
Demonic PhoenixExcept both Mito and Kushina could not use Bijuu balls at will. Naruto himself cannot, and only Mito is implied to have the same skill as he currently does.
I'm not sure about that. Naruto can't, but him not being able to seems to be somewhat odd, it was implied to be a not-too-rare power among jinchuurichi when A was telling Bee he should focus on learning it. In fact, Naruto's four-tails mode could do it, so if he had control over that he should be able to handle it. Bee was majorly surprised that after he had gotten his level of control, that he couldn't do full transformation (and therefore not the ball).
Mito's also had a lot more time to master her powers. Like, decades more. Kushina too but less-so.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
How so? If he has dozens of ninjas to aid him in battle, all of whom are A-S+ level, then he's extremely OP.That's because he's chosen to let them keep their will, while restricting certain actions and inclinations.
Orochimaru on the other hand completely subdued the wills of the 1st & 2nd Hokage, so they became nothing more than mindless zombies following Orochimaru's commands.
Well Kabuto doesn't have all of the original's perks such as the Kusanagi blade and Yamata no Jutsu(which was trolled). Orochimaru also appears to be more of a pain to kill then Kabuto as well on top of supposely having more jutsu knowledge. Well there's nothing stopping Orochimaru from doing the same thing with complete zombified nin which is why Kabuto is still S+ in my eyes.
And yet the completely zombified 1st and 2nd Hokage did more than about 20 free will Edo zombies...or so it seems.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
People seem to over-estimate A's abilities.
Naruto would have b****-slapped A silly had he used his Rasengans, instead of talking and attempting to dodge. HtH is another story though.Rival Hashirama with Naruto's current Kyuubi form? Base Hashirama maybe. Hashirama with Bijuu under his command? Nah.
Reason being that Hashirama could easily suppress the Kyuubi's chakra.
I'm not overestimating A I'm saying he'd kill Naruto in HtH along with his speed not necessarily being an endgame tactic for him. Maming himself on the other hand is.
Yes...I was referring to Hashirama w/o a biju in his possesion, sorry I didn't specify. Hashirama would murder pretty much anyone with a biju. Which is why I'm skeptical of Mito having such a form....not denying it though.
Originally posted by Q99
I'm not sure about that. Naruto can't, but him not being able to seems to be somewhat odd, it was implied to be a not-too-rare power among jinchuurichi when A was telling Bee he should focus on learning it. In fact, Naruto's four-tails mode could do it, so if he had control over that he should be able to handle it.Mito's also had a lot more time to master her powers. Like, decades more. Kushina too but less-so.
Meh...Mito's hype is better than Kushina's in my eyes however Kushina can restrain the full power of the Kyuubi. Wonder how powerful both of them would be with Biju Balls to use on hand 😄
I wonder if Kushina can restrict other Biju's as well.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well Kabuto doesn't have all of the original's perks such as the Kusanagi blade and Yamata no Jutsu(which was trolled). Orochimaru also appears to be more of a pain to kill then Kabuto as well on top of supposely having more jutsu knowledge. Well there's nothing stopping Orochimaru from doing the same thing with complete zombified nin which is why Kabuto is still S+ in my eyes.And yet the completely zombified 1st and 2nd Hokage did more than about 20 free will Edo zombies...or so it seems.
Yeah, Kabuto by himself right now is weaker than Orochimaru.
I think he'll have access to that jutsu, but maybe not the sword (whatever happened to it anyway?).
Orochimaru's a heck of a lot more durable, standing up to Tsunade's punches, and a blocked Bijuu ball.
However, Kabuto has the advantage of being a superb medic nin, to the point where he can create his own boss summon, one that is more powerful than Manda, which itself is pretty powerful.
I still maintain that 1st and 2nd Hokage zombies weren't as powerful as they were when they were alive. 2nd never used S-T techs.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm not overestimating A I'm saying he'd kill Naruto in HtH along with his speed not necessarily being an endgame tactic for him. Maming himself on the other hand is.Yes...I was referring to Hashirama w/o a biju in his possesion, sorry I didn't specify. Hashirama would murder pretty much anyone with a biju. Which is why I'm skeptical of Mito having such a form....not denying it though.
Yeah, he'd kill Naruto in all likelihood if it's just HtH, but Naruto isn't stupid enough to enter a HtH battle with a guy that can beat him with one solid blow; at least, I don't think he is.
Well, not anyone, not if all he has is one Biju. It could be one of the lower level bijuu, and he could be up against someone like Killer Bee with the Hachibi.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Edit: Also DP, we've not seen much of the chakra claws in action! But yeah, if not hot, they are at least strong enough to hurt.And that's possible but I'd wager he took on Yamato's role of sitting there just in case it got bad.
They didn't burn because they were hot, but because the Kyuubi's chakra tends to be corrosive due to the hatred in it, or something like that.
He was far better at it than Yamato was though. Or she could have had someone else in there too, by bumping her fist with them. awesome
Originally posted by Q99
I'm not sure about that. Naruto can't, but him not being able to seems to be somewhat odd, it was implied to be a not-too-rare power among jinchuurichi when A was telling Bee he should focus on learning it. In fact, Naruto's four-tails mode could do it, so if he had control over that he should be able to handle it. Bee was majorly surprised that after he had gotten his level of control, that he couldn't do full transformation (and therefore not the ball).Mito's also had a lot more time to master her powers. Like, decades more. Kushina too but less-so.
He only slipped into the 4 Tails mode when the Kyuubi took over, which is likely why it could use the Bijuu ball. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure that 4 tails mode would have been no different from the normal Bijuu cloak mode, and Naruto would not have been able to use the Bijuu Ball.
Bee wasn't that surprised. He immediately realized that Naruto could not do it because he was not on friendly terms with the Kyuubi.
Even with a decade or so, Kushina still did not reach Naruto's level (claiming the chakra of the Bijuu), so she's out. So I doubt she could use the Bijuu ball willingly.
Mito is harder to determine. At the very least, she likely had free access to the Kyuubi's chakra like Naruto does, and at best, her mastery was akin to Yugito's, i.e. access to full form & Bijuu ball, but not full mastery like Bee or Yagura.
Anyway, Naruto's current transformation is obviously unique, seeing as it is just Yang Chakra. Us thinking that Mito had the 'exact' same transformation (i.e. flickering yellow flame, and SSTP markings) is likely wrong, as the Kyuubi was pretty surprised when Naruto used the Sage of the Six Paths' sealing tech.
I'm getting laughing, but I'm not getting counter arguments from you.
We have, respectively: The one who both can fight 9-tails and has the power of 9-tails.
The one who can subdue 1-tails and crush small armies with a single jutsu
And the one who got captured by Kurotsuchi with a little help and really hasn't shown all that much high-level capabilities aside from Edo (which is specifically noted with an *).
What's the problem?
People keep going "OMG Kushina's so high!"
Then I go, "Hey, she's strong enough to fight Kyuubi even without it's power, that's rather uber."
Then they don't give a reply to that...
then awhile later I get "OMG Kushina's so high!"
C'mon, looping while not answering the main point in her favor isn't cool, and I'm not going to change ratings if people complain but don't have a counter argument.
Bee wasn't that surprised. He immediately realized that Naruto could not do it because he was not on friendly terms with the Kyuubi.
Even with a decade or so, Kushina still did not reach Naruto's level (claiming the chakra of the Bijuu), so she's out. So I doubt she could use the Bijuu ball willingly.
Mito is harder to determine. At the very least, she likely had free access to the Kyuubi's chakra like Naruto does, and at best, her mastery was akin to Yugito's, i.e. access to full form & Bijuu ball, but not full mastery like Bee or Yagura.
But the only thing Naruto seems to be lacking for full mastery at Bee's level is the Biju's cooperation. The full taking of the chakra as well as cooperation can't be the requirements for Biju ball unless Bee and Yagura are the only two people ever to do it, which seems unlikely.
We know physical transformation (as opposed to cloak) doesn't require high mastery too- we saw that with Killerbee, who could do limbs even as a kid.
I think Yugito's mastery is lower than Naruto's and more akin to his earlier transformation, just with more control. Naruto's is higher in that he can access more power, it's just he did it in a way that also cut off transformations that he earlier had access to.
Also I will note Kushina had Kyuubi much better sealed than Naruto did (likely because she could refresh the seal at any point, and tie it up in internal combat). So where Naruto could retain full control at 3-tails... she could likely do several more.
I get the impression the normal way to do it is to work up control tail by tail.