Originally posted by dadudemon
Same question but reversed to you: what makes you think it wasn't stolen?They willingly shared it? That doesn't make much sense, does it?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Or, like I said, different clans altogether. I mean they don't share the slightest jutsu in common, they just have the same nature. Just like how the lava release exists in both Iwa and Kiri.
It does? I could have sworn that the magnet thing was taken or came from the sand village.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I feel like that was really pointless though. If Itachi had stayed away, Sasuke... probably would have ended up a fine ninja anyway, and a functional member of society. OK, so he needed Orochimaru to become ultra-strong, all that means is that he has more abilities to kill innocents with at this point...
Don't forget that Itachi also had to make him strong enough that Oro wouldn't take him over as a host, and banish the anti-Uchiha doubts others would have on him. Itachi had to make him a hero too.
Originally posted by Q99
Don't forget that Itachi also had to make him strong enough that Oro wouldn't take him over as a host, and banish the anti-Uchiha doubts others would have on him. Itachi had to make him a hero too.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, there are magnet users in sand. but as far as I know any relationship to the kumo user was never stated. If you find a page where they say or hint it, please post it.
Magnet release is a KG.
It started somewhere and was ported to another place.
We know the 3rd studied it and came up with the iron sand tech. It most likely started with him and Shukaku at some point.
Fromt there, it's obvious that it was stolen. You cannot replicate a KG, as far as we know.
Unless you have evidence to the contrary?
It's a stolen KG until proven otherwise because no KG just magically appears in two separate villages when its first known use is from the 3rd. He is the original KG user of magnet release since...you know...he came up with it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's the other problem. He says that he protected the Uchiha clan's reputation. But it seems to me like HE hurt it more than anything! The only three Uchiha around are all mass murderers. So I'd say their reputation is damaged beyond repair.
He needs to give himself a bad rep to squish the rebellion, that's part of the plan. But by having Sasuke kill the bad rep Uchiha, he'd hope that a difference between the two would be highlighted and people'd think of Sasuke as "the good Uchiha." As Sasuke'd be the one who'd carry on, the clan'd thus have a good rep and he'd be that one crazy rogue who almost killed it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's a stolen KG until proven otherwise because no KG just magically appears in two separate villages when its first known use is from the 3rd. He is the original KG user of magnet release since...you know...he came up with it.
But we know that isn't true. Like I said lava release has appeared in two countries with no relation at all.
Originally posted by Q99
He needs to give himself a bad rep to squish the rebellion, that's part of the plan. But by having Sasuke kill the bad rep Uchiha, he'd hope that a difference between the two would be highlighted and people'd think of Sasuke as "the good Uchiha." As Sasuke'd be the one who'd carry on, the clan'd thus have a good rep and he'd be that one crazy rogue who almost killed it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
But we know that isn't true. Like I said lava release has appeared in two countries with no relation at all.
One is the tech of a bijuu-host combo and one is a KG.
Meaning, it isn't a KG for two completely different people.
Are there any actual examples, though? There's got to be, I'd think.
Originally posted by dadudemon
One is the tech of a bijuu-host combo and one is a KG.Meaning, it isn't a KG for two completely different people.
Are there any actual examples, though? There's got to be, I'd think.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, yeah. Kurotsuchi can use lava (quicklime variant) and so can Mei. No biju involved. Just like how suna can have magnet (metal sand) and kumo has magnet (magnetizing opponents).
So, in other words, no. Additionally, quicklime, which is not lava, is much different.
Unlike magnet release which is quite clearly always magnetic manipulation of something.
So there's no other examples?
In fact, we know there's not. Lava release and magnet release are the only examples of multiple cross-village users with no described origins.
For magnet, at least, it looks quite obvious that the origin is the 3rd kazekage since, you know, he studied and came up with it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
He came up with his iron sand in imitation of a shukaku user. Not the magnet release itself (it is a genetic trait so how could he "invent" it?)
When did Sharingan users realize they could use their eyes to create Sharingan specific genjutsu?
When did Lava Release people realize they could make lava?
Simple: someone somewhere at some point had to figure out that they had a KG and then used it.
Manipulating sand and manipulating iron sand are diffinitely two different techniques. Same concept, different paths. KG are genetic traits. In Naruto, they are closely guarded/protected traits. If two different villages have the same KG, then they diverged at some point. Something so specific like that does not magically appear in two different villages, independently: it's stolen.
This started because somenoe speculated that Naruto got the sharingan from Itachi. That's most likely not true, however, it's possible. If Itachi figured out a way to transfer the tech without the need of genetics (we have indirect evidence of this in the form of Nagato) then it's possible.
It's probably some sort of anti-sharingan tech, imo.
Originally posted by King Kandy
And the kumo ninjas technique has nothing to do with shukaku.
Wah?
I have no idea what point you're trying to make, here.