The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, actually he might be at level 4. If the Juubi was tamed he wouldn't have had to split it up probably.

It might be that it's only possible to get to level 5 with the component biju.

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, actually he might be at level 4. If the Juubi was tamed he wouldn't have had to split it up probably.

It might be that it's only possible to get to level 5 with the component biju.

I doubt the Juubi was tamed. I doubt it could be tamed.
Even then, it's likely he was able to control it extremely well, or at least just suppress it near completely.
There was a lot of power soak as well, considering the Sage had enough strength to form the Moon after he had already created the Bijuu.
I also don't know how he was able to seal its body within himself, seeing as the Bijuu are just physical masses of chakra, whereas the Juubi had a physical body.

Well, it is said the sage had control over reality itself, so I guess if he wants it to have a body it does, and if he doesn't it doesn't.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, it is said the sage had control over reality itself, so I guess if he wants it to have a body it does, and if he doesn't it doesn't.

All that is said is that he could create anything he wanted, not that he could control reality as he chose.

Kushina, btw, I believe would be well into stage 3.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He definitely was five. Madara and Hashirama were both counted as complete and since their power over Biju is from his lineage, it seems almost certain his control was equal to theirs. In fact, i'd say its way better-he didn't just control the biju as it was, but actually had power over its very essence and could divide it up at will.

Hm... maybe 5 should be split into two version: One, the beast is willingly tame, like Hachibi.

Or two, the beast is not tame, but the user has a total-control power so they can still use it just as freely.

I do not think the Juubi was tamed, because then splitting it wouldn't have been necessary, but rather the Sage simply had vast power over it so he could do what he wanted without risk.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
All that is said is that he could create anything he wanted, not that he could control reality as he chose.

Having the ability to create anything you want means being able to control reality. 😄

teehee

Originally posted by dadudemon
So he creates a machine that can allow him to control reality.

Having the ability to create anything you want means being able to control reality. 😄

He'd still have to know how to make such a machine though.

It doesn't give him the knowledge of how to make a specific item, it gives him the ability to make items as he pictures them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So he creates a machine that can allow him to control reality.

Having the ability to create anything you want means being able to control reality. 😄

teehee

Said machine was the Sharingan, no? vin

Originally posted by Q99
Kushina, btw, I believe would be well into stage 3.

Hm... maybe 5 should be split into two version: One, the beast is willingly tame, like Hachibi.

Or two, the beast is not tame, but the user has a total-control power so they can still use it just as freely.

I do not think the Juubi was tamed, because then splitting it wouldn't have been necessary, but rather the Sage simply had vast power over it so he could do what he wanted without risk.

Originally posted by Q99
He'd still have to know how to make such a machine though.

No he wouldn't. That's not how the tech works. Do you think Danzo pictured how to repair every last cell in his body to perfection? No, he just imagined being whole and it was done.

Originally posted by Q99
It doesn't give him the knowledge of how to make a specific item, it gives him the ability to make items as he pictures them.

I would say creating 9 beings of immense power is fairly intricate...without really knowing if he designed every last vivid detail or trait.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No he wouldn't. That's not how the tech works. Do you think Danzo pictured how to repair every last cell in his body to perfection? No, he just imagined being whole and it was done.

I would say creating 9 beings of immense power is fairly intricate...without really knowing if he designed every last vivid detail or trait.

He created them out of an existing example. The Sage didn't make them from scratch, he made them from the Juubi.

And likewise, Danzo re-created an existing thing, him.

King Kandy

I don't follow your logic. Why would taming it have to do with splitting it? The problem was after he died, the juubi would be released and wild again.

Taming in the sense of 'actually making something tame'.

Hachibi was made at least reasonably tame, if it was released I don't think it'd be all that horrible (still dangerous, but it's not a being of hatred any more). It wouldn't run wild as it used to, I don't think.

On the flip side, Madara controlled kyuubi, it was not tamed at all even though he dictated it's actions, so when control was broken it'd still run wild. I suspect Juubi's situation was like that- the Sage controlled it, but didn't convince it.

Originally posted by Q99
Taming in the sense of 'actually making something tame'.

Hachibi was made at least reasonably tame, if it was released I don't think it'd be all that horrible (still dangerous, but it's not a being of hatred any more). It wouldn't run wild as it used to, I don't think.

On the flip side, Madara controlled kyuubi, it was not tamed at all even though he dictated it's actions, so when control was broken it'd still run wild. I suspect Juubi's situation was like that- the Sage controlled it, but didn't convince it.

It is very possible that Yagura's control was influenced by Madara controlling him.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
It is very possible that Yagura's control was influenced by Madara controlling him.

Remember, again, when a host dies, the biju dies and reconstitutes a few years later. I'd imagine whatever tameness a biju has would be lost in this process.

Yagura might never have tamed his beast at all.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yagura might never have tamed his beast at all.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, what makes you say that?

If it was Madara's doing, then it's likely it was "Three tails? Do whatever Yagura commands, you have no choice in the matter," rather than Three-tails agreeing to anything.

Remember, again, when a host dies, the biju dies and reconstitutes a few years later. I'd imagine whatever tameness a biju has would be lost in this process.

That is a good point, that's a real possibility as well.

Though a biju can be released alive before the host dies.

I'd like to submit that the Kyuubi has never been wild, like the Hachibi and B were suggesting. He's just plain evil.

Originally posted by Q99
He created them out of an existing example. The Sage didn't make them from scratch, he made them from the Juubi.

And likewise, Danzo re-created an existing thing, him.

So you're saying that what was said about the jutsu is not true? 😉

Originally posted by Q99
If it was Madara's doing, then it's likely it was "Three tails? Do whatever Yagura commands, you have no choice in the matter," rather than Three-tails agreeing to anything.