Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed, but that is because is was. And is.Been that way a while now.
I don't think he was a master-minding genius until now. Sure, he had a plan, but we did not know what it was. We thought it was an anti-Sasuke technique...but we didn'tk now how elaborate it was.
Also, he broke out of Edo Tensei control! He's the only person that can do that, so far.
Sure, his Yata Mirror Shield and sealing sword were awesome but those were acquired weapons. I put them differently than being able to get an eye and then learning how to most strategically use them while plain learning how to use them. But, I could be wrong beacuse Sasuke seemed to not have to learn how to use his eye-techniques at all: it just worked.
Also, I think it's rather easy to understand why using Hachibi's chakra worked out so well: if he had done that before, the tailed beast chakra would have killed him because he would not have enough to counter-balance it (as was explained). Since he's in an immortal body, now, he doesn't have to worry about dying and can absorb as much as he likes to restore himself. Why does this work? It makes no sense. His body should have been restored to it's proper frame, anyway.
Originally posted by King Kandy
He didn't actually break edo tensei. He put a second level control on himself, with the command "protect konoha"; so he really didn't get free will, just changed his auto actions to doing good things.
I disagree. I feel he broke the control of ET. The jutsu itself (his clay body is still around) is still there but we know why: it's not broken until it's broken.
Basically, the only thing Itachi has done is nulled the talisman's abilities. Everything stayed the same. He's his own self.
Originally posted by dadudemonHe placed a different Genjutsu (One that actually does not originate from his own power, mind you), on himself, overwriting the mind control aspect of ET.
I disagree. I feel he broke the control of ET. The jutsu itself (his clay body is still around) is still there but we know why: it's not broken until it's broken.Basically, the only thing Itachi has done is nulled the talisman's abilities. Everything stayed the same. He's his own self.
So, he broke the control yeah, but it is not really a feat of power or skill on his part, it's luck, and it has wrecked his previous plan.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Just because they don't know about it, doesn't mean it's not rape. 😮Eh, the crow had it up right before it disappeared. So it's possible.
And I dunno. He certainly has a technique like it that enabled him to control Yagura. But it would cheapen things in my opinion. Sasuke himself needs to be making these decisions based on lies and lies alone. That'll make Naruto saving him all the more meaningful. But yeah, it is very possible.
Well that toad makes more sense, considering it is like a freaking key or some crap.
Indeed, the Naruto Inn. awesome
Well, in terms of mind-raping, it isn't mind-raping if they don't know about it...technically. 😛
Actual raping is another discussion, one that I do not wish to get into. Kay, that sounded weird.
Agreed, but the way Sasuke suddenly and drastically turned face was quite extraordinary in my opinion, enough that I'd suspect something else to be controlling him.
It's still an actual toad. Contrast that with the crow which is some genjutsu/clone crap.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Maybe he didn't know it was possible?
Extreme chakra draining was what caused the emaciation in the first place. Someone would have to have an I.Q. of 10 to not realize that extreme chakra absorption would heal him.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Seriously, his plan hinged on Madara not capturing Naruto before he saw Sasuke again and Sasuke getting the EMS.
Well, he told Sasuke about the EMS, died at his hands to give Sasuke the MS, and assumed Sasuke would transplant the eyes for more power. He didn't think Madara would try to turn Sasuke, but he planned for that as well, though it's thanks to phasing/Izanagi that Madara survived really.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Sure, his Yata Mirror Shield and sealing sword were awesome but those were acquired weapons. I put them differently than being able to get an eye and then learning how to most strategically use them while plain learning how to use them. But, I could be wrong beacuse Sasuke seemed to not have to learn how to use his eye-techniques at all: it just worked.
Madara seems to think that Itachi transferred his eye techs to Sasuke. He has yet to master Tsukuyomi, has great mastery over Amaterasu, and developed Susano'o so rapidly only thanks to his hatred.
Originally posted by dadudemon
He seemed like an emo character, to me, from before. Sasuke-light, if you will.Now he just seems like a masterminding genius with lots of power.
How was Itachi emo before?
Yeah, second to Minato most likely. Plus the guy is able to program stuff to respond to anyone's Sharingan. That's uber.
Originally posted by NemeBro
He placed a different Genjutsu (One that actually does not originate from his own power, mind you), on himself, overwriting the mind control aspect of ET.So, he broke the control yeah, but it is not really a feat of power or skill on his part, it's luck, and it has wrecked his previous plan.
The genjutsu's tied to Shisui, but Shisui gave the eye to Itachi, and he put it on the crow.
So while it apparently was luck that Kabuto had Itachi use his Mangekyou on Naruto, there was still skill involved in the actual set-up.
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/7
^ The crow seems to be nearly as fast as Naruto's Kyuubi chakra mode.
Naruto's speed = Crow flight speed. vin
Originally posted by NemeBro
He placed a different Genjutsu (One that actually does not originate from his own power, mind you), on himself, overwriting the mind control aspect of ET.So, he broke the control yeah, but it is not really a feat of power or skill on his part, it's luck, and it has wrecked his previous plan.
Not really. The tech was to "protect Konoha" from his eyes because he thought Sasuke would transplant his eyes. Shisui's eye was programmed to react to Itachi's eyes.
But Itachi did not account for being resurrected.
His plan STILL worked, but just not as he intended. He still is "protecting konoha" but just directly from himself rather than from his eyes transplanted into Sasuke.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/7^ The crow seems to be nearly as fast as Naruto's Kyuubi chakra mode.
Naruto's speed = Crow flight speed. vin
A ninja crow that "dissolved" into Naruto and remained undetectable.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not really. The tech was to "protect Konoha" from his eyes because he thought Sasuke would transplant his eyes. Shisui's eye was programmed to react to Itachi's eyes.But Itachi did not account for being resurrected.
His plan STILL worked, but just not as he intended. He still is "protecting konoha" but just directly from himself rather than from his eyes transplanted into Sasuke.
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/9
Pretty much spelled out: he layered a second order that takes precedence over the edo tensei one.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I think you misunderstood. The tech was not to "protect konoha" from his eyes;
Actually, that's exactly what it was.
Originally posted by King Kandy
when it encounters his eyes (in sasuke, or the real deal), it casts the command "protect konoha" into the person. Just like Danzo implanted "vote for danzo" into the lord of fire.
I'm failing to see how this is different, at all, from what I said.
The end result is this: "protect konoha". What is "this"? This = technique/jutsu. What is the jutsu? An eye technique that was implanted into a crow and inserted into Naruto.
Summary: the tech. was created to protect Konoha from Itachi's eyes, regardless of the bearer.
As I see it, this portion of the discussion is quite useless. We are not saying different things.
Originally posted by King Kandy
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/65686308/9Pretty much spelled out: he layered a second order that takes precedence over the edo tensei one.
On that same exact page is the information that I was posting to your original point (the post you quoted was a response to a previous post I made to Nemebro, and that post of mine was a response to a post of yours and what I was technically referring to).
Itachi said this:
"With this, the edo tensei is cancelled..."
That was my response to you saying this:
Originally posted by King Kandy
He didn't actually break edo tensei.