Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why do you think it was years?
Mostly because she said so.
There was another reason, but I forgot.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah, the paper split the lake in two. It wasn't the lake. And yeah, it's like Gaara controlling sand. I.e, whenever Gaara does something large scale with sand, it's a feat. Same with Konan but with paper.
I thought it was a lake of paper the she summoned.
Originally posted by Q99
Without any prep she's immune to taijutsu, blocked Jiraiya's fire jutsu with a basic paper-cloud, could hit people with hundreds of tags, do super-hard to avoid clouds of blades, and even do a non-tag version of the chasm. Plus flying as a cloud of paper airplanes is just cool.
She was also quickly and effortlessly taken out by a true S which should indicate the difference in ability between a good A and a good S.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Mostly because she said so.There was another reason, but I forgot.
I thought it was a lake of paper the she summoned.
Reread it. She said she'd been around Madara for years and thus new how his technique works. However, she had no reason to betray him until recently.
Originally posted by dadudemon
She was also quickly and effortlessly taken out by a true S which should indicate the difference in ability between a good A and a good S.
Jiraiya could take out most kunoichi in the series fairly easily. Not to mention, he did know her abilities and could easily understand it.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Reread it. She said she'd been around Madara for years and thus new how his technique works. However, she had no reason to betray him until recently.
So you're saying she wasn't preparing to take out Madara for years?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Jiraiya could take out most kunoichi in the series fairly easily. Not to mention, he did know her abilities and could easily understand it.
Doesn't matter: she knew his.
Originally posted by dadudemon
She was also quickly and effortlessly taken out by a true S which should indicate the difference in ability between a good A and a good S.
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Jiraiya temporarily inconvenienced her with oil, but she wasn't hurt or out of the fight.
Madara's take down cost him an arm and an eye, and he's the only one to do so. The arm without even using her big prep jutsu.
~ Anyway, my lists make all the lists shown so far, obsolete. You ginormic douches forgot all about Yugito, 2nd strongest Kumo ninja.
Demonic remembered 🙂
For that matter, Demonic Phoenix's strength list is almost exactly the same as mine.
1. Mito
2. Kushina
3. Konan
4. Mei
5. Yugito
Mei and Yugito are pretty close, but Mei doesn't have to worry about her power running wild so she can probably fight smarter.
Hm... then Tsunade, Fu, Chiyo... Kurenai, Kurotsuchi, Temari...
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Knew her abilities and knew the weaknesses of them.She cannot say the same. 😛
How do you know?
Cause she trained with him for years and knew him quite well.
There's just as much reason to believe she knew him and his weaknesses as he did her.
However, he's just better...which is my point. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
How do you know?Cause she trained with him for years and knew him quite well.
There's just as much reason to believe she knew him and his weaknesses as he did her.
However, he's just better...which is my point. 🙂
Considering we're the readers and even we don't know of any weaknesses Jiraiya has, I'd be surprised if Konan did. Short of genjutsu, which she never used.
Indeed, he is stronger. But that doesn't make Konan weak. She has been complimented by Madara and has come the closest to killing him.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Considering we're the readers and even we don't know of any weaknesses Jiraiya has, I'd be surprised if Konan did. Short of genjutsu, which she never used.
Not even water was a weakness of Konan's. So we the reader had no idea that oil would work.
It was a shock.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed, he is stronger. But that doesn't make Konan weak. She has been complimented by Madara and has come the closest to killing him.
Comparative terms should be the only terms used: "weaker" not "weak".
And this brings us back to square one: she prepared for years to kill Madara.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not even water was a weakness of Konan's. So we the reader had no idea that oil would work.It was a shock.
Comparative terms should be the only terms used: "weaker" not "weak".
And this brings us back to square one: she prepared for years to kill Madara.
Indeed. The reader would expect fire or water to be her weakness. However, Jiraiya knew she was weak to oil and handled her accordingly.
Yes, she is weaker than Jiraiya. So are Tsunade, Chiyo, and probably Mei. Only Kushina and Mito might be stronger.
Why would she prepare for years to kill her ally?
And why would one specific ninja who's known for his ability to come up with the unexpected using a weakness that involves a jutsu that we've only seen him use bump her down to *A*? Rather than, say, slightly lower in S, which is a realm that includes pretty much everyone else in S because Jiraiya's a badass.
Especially when the weakness didn't, as mentioned, take her out.
Originally posted by dadudemon
:laugh :laugh: |
Not a defense or an explanation, that's just being annoying.
I hate it when people dodge explaining themselves.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Is being weaker than Jiraiya a bad feat now?
Apparently. 🤨
Originally posted by Q99
And why would one specific ninja who's known for his ability to come up with the unexpected using a weakness that involves a jutsu that we've only seen him use bump her down to *A*? Rather than, say, slightly lower in S, which is a realm that includes pretty much everyone else in S because Jiraiya's a badass.Especially when the weakness didn't, as mentioned, take her out.
Not a defense or an explanation, that's just being annoying.
I hate it when people dodge explaining themselves.
Yeah, that's not enough to really bump her down.
Though I will say that Jiraiya won their little exchange. Though important things to remember: Konan was planning to just hold him off, even though Pain did say she could kill him. She was on her home turf so being reckless might not be a good thing. And Pain was showing up so she didn't really need to go all out.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. The reader would expect fire or water to be her weakness. However, Jiraiya knew she was weak to oil and handled her accordingly.
And him, being the toad sage, is known for his oil, fire, and water...yet she didn't adapt.
AKA, my point exactly. 😉
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yes, she is weaker than Jiraiya. So are Tsunade, Chiyo, and probably Mei. Only Kushina and Mito might be stronger.
I just wanted to clear up that I never called Konan "weak" as your post seemed to imply. Being weaker than Jiraiya is not a bad thing. That's like saying I'm worse at basketball than '94 Michael Jorden
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why would she prepare for years to kill her ally?
Why would she not prepare for years to kill a person she did not deem her ally from the beginnin, you mean?
http://www.mangareader.net/93-57473-10/naruto/chapter-510.html
She ran countless simulations. Or are you saying that she had time to prepare 6 billion tags and run countless simulations in the short time period that took place between Nagato's death and the confrontation?
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Originally posted by Q99
And why would one specific ninja who's known for his ability to come up with the unexpected using a weakness that involves a jutsu that we've only seen him use bump her down to *A*? Rather than, say, slightly lower in S, which is a realm that includes pretty much everyone else in S because Jiraiya's a badass.Especially when the weakness didn't, as mentioned, take her out.
K. Cause it does. Just the same as "it does" in your version.
Originally posted by Q99
Not a defense or an explanation, that's just being annoying.I hate it when people dodge explaining themselves.
No counter is required because the counter is the same thing you responded to. Your "counter" was so silly and absurd that it's not worth responding to with anything "serious."
Originally posted by dadudemon
And him, being the toad sage, is known for his oil, fire, and water...yet she didn't adapt.I just wanted to clear up that I never called Konan "weak" as your post seemed to imply. Being weaker than Jiraiya is not a bad thing. That's like saying I'm worse at basketball than '94 Michael Jorden
Why would she not prepare for years to kill a person she did not deem her ally from the beginnin, you mean?
http://www.mangareader.net/93-57473-10/naruto/chapter-510.html
She ran countless simulations. Or are you saying that she had time to prepare 6 billion tags and run countless simulations in the short time period that took place between Nagato's death and the confrontation?
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Indeed, but again she didn't really have to go all out.
You're implying she is A class. Which is silly, considering Akatuski are all S class.
But he was her ally, was part of her organization, and was the leader of said Organization. Nagato considered him an ally so that would be good enough for her.
And yes, I am. Because Kishi does not seem to understand how big a number 600 Billion is.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Side note: I just noticed that Madara transported Konan to the "resting place" of Yahiko and Nagato.He didn't need to do that. I don't think Mads is all that bad.
Uh...He killed her. So I guess that counts as sending her to their resting place.