DadudemonAbsence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is why I say your position is un-provable.
And since it's not a KG...
You can't base an argument on an unproven assertion though.
You need evidence for it to count. Evidence that it's not just something that frog-jutsu users have.
Lastly, it’s neither confirmed nor unconfirmed that oil is the only uber weakness of using paper. Most jutsu’s have multiple weaknesses to exploit especially simple ones like paper manipulation. I’d say that Temari’s wind attack would be more than enough to keep the paper away from her while also damaging Konan or at least disrupting Konan. Surely wind is a weakness.
No more so than the other elements. Maybe if it's more powerful than her jutsu... but Konan packs a heck of a lot of power, more than the wind-users we know (barring Naruto, with his rasen-wind techniques of course).
And again, you can't base an argument on assuming weakness.
Likewise, you assert that speed is a weakness for her... but in practice, it hasn't been. You just assume that it is.
Also, any Bijuu blast would make short work of her because …it would destroy everything.
Not a weakness since that applies to pretty much everyone, include most S people.
"Enemy has an S/S+ rank jutsu" is an enemy strength, not a weakness.
Actually, I was very consistent despite your failed attempt to paint it otherwise.
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Now you're just using what's called a strawman. You have not captured my perspective, properly, and you're using a non sequitur comparison to that strawman.
You are asking me to downgrade one person based on a very limited weakness, and/or assume significantly greater weakness than is shown.
I don't do that for anyone else.
That's not a strawman, I'm just saying Konan does not get a special exception.
1. She's not. With prep, maybe. But we don't know what Suigetsu could do with lots of prep when he's studied his opponent for years, either. Not a good comparison. And, Suigetsu can "drowned" ninja just the same as Konan can smoother. In fact, it's hard to see Konan doing something Suigetsu can’t do so with his water...minus the billions of explosive tags.
Fly, make clouds of blades, make trees and other objects worth of paper, use hundreds/thousands of explosive tags, and just generally show more power.
3. She has not except for her massive prep battle with Mads.
She almost killed him without her prep jutsu.
Problem: Madara could have exited the battle completely if he wanted to. I smell PIS to the max. Why didn't he? Stubbornness to find Nagato?
Yes? She was the only way to find Nagato and get the Rinnegan, period.
He could've exited the battle before being surrounded by her jutsu, but without the Rinnegan he could not get that step to his life's goal.
Regardless, her plan should have never worked to hurt him. He didn't even need to use Izanagi.
He didn't even have time to warp out, let alone run. This was specifically noted.
See? This is an excellent example of how you're the one making assumptions.
"It really is a weakness, he could've easily avoided this. He was just dumb/inconsistent for not doing so and saying he needed Izanagi."
"It's not a weaknesses, he couldn't escape with speed, he did need Izanagi. Exactly like he said."
The first one forces an inconsistency. The second doesn't and fits with his own actions.
Speed nulls, and quite easily, her using surround techniques. I'm not sure why that isn't overwhelmingly obvious to you.
Because it is, as far as I can tell, not in the manga at all.
... btw, where you the one who was assuming the Fourth Kazekage had a speed weakness too?
Maybe I should put this in bold: We do not assume unshown speed weaknesses.
Especially when the person had no problem surrounding a fast ninja like Madara multiple times.
Lastly, you said "incredibly huge feat" when it was not. It was a giant jutsu, for sure...but not "incredibly huge feat". This is what I mean when I say you're not being objective about Konan.
Any jutsu is a feat. If someone is doing a greater jutsu, then that means they are doing a greater feat.
This:
Is a pretty impressive feat for paper control alone.
Speed was more than enough to reach him. You just needed a jutsu to get past his sand armor OR enough strength. His sand also moves very very fast.
Lee had a speed rating of only a 4 when he fought Gaara. A 4.
How does this fair for true speedsters like A, Kakashi, Sasuke, Naruto, Bee, lol, etc.
And by the retrieval arc, he had gotten to the point where he could handle Kimimaro, a 4.5, the same speed as post-time skip Kakashi and Sasuke.
A and Naruto and Minato might be fast enough, but they're, again, S-class, really S+ class, speed.
Like the Biju Ball, "Attack that only three S+ and one S class people can do," is not a weakness. It applies to almost everyone in S and everyone in S-.
I don't recall her even moving as fast as her "dart-like" paper attack.
She dispersed and flew around as small pieces of paper on several occasions.
It's not quite as fast as thrown, but that's still excellent mobility.
And that massive earth/waterfall/tree summon thing he did from Naruto is one of the largest chakra expenditures from a non-jinchûriki user we've seen. So stop gimping Yamato to simply win this lame argument because it's making you like silly.
Not really. Ittan, a fairly no-name in the ambush squad, was able to move large amounts of Earth up and down like that without much problem.
It's fairly high chakra, but it's not as big as actively controlling billions of objects for ten minutes and holding back a lake seemingly as just a side-thing.
More bias on your part. She kept exploding pre-prepared tags for 10 minutes.
Does pre-prep means the paper moves without chakra? Triggers without chakra? Holds back the lake without chakra? All for ten minutes.
No, it does not. It means she had the tags.
So wait, because I make a humorous re-interpretation of obvious PIS, I'm now "officially" not talking about Konan at all?
Uh, you're ignoring feats/assuming weaknesses.
If I talk about low-stamina Naruto, I'm not talking about canon Naruto. Poor swordsskill Bee, I'm not talking canon Suigetsu. Gaara has a weakness to bugs and earth jutsu, I'm not talking canon Gaara, and so on.
Of all the things you've posted, this I agree with.
She would destroy most A-Ranks. I have never disagreed with that. I DID put her at A+, remember?
See, we agree afterall.
Also most S- characters and she'd beat many S characters as well.
Also she'd beat the A+ characters too.