Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Prolly, yeah. Depends on how fast he can think of using 3rd's Nukite Attack against him.Also, Rasengan went straight through the shroud, but barely hurt the 3rd.
It's all but confirmed that Naruto's going to use the Tailed Beast Rasengan for the first time against Sasuke.
Probably wouldn't take him long. I thought of it as a way to beat A a while back. And Minato is like me. awesome
Well yeah. He was too busy being stabbed to notice it. 😮
Or Madara. 😛
Originally posted by Q99
I'm talking the manipulation of paper at the time alone, mind you.Prep only determined whether it was normal paper or tags. She was still moving it around and using it to hold back the water right there with her own chakra on the spot, which has nothing to do with prep.
If someone like Deidara prep places bombs in a cliff, then he moves it around for ten minutes, the movement is not reliant on prep. The prep is for an additional effect separate from that effort, which is in itself a show of S-class chakra.
I think summoning Gamabunta requires more chakra expenditure, personally. But you won't see me arguing for a 12-year-old Naruto being bumped up to an S.
We've been over the paper manipulation/creation portion. No need to revisit, right?
I would say Deidara getting to create billions of bombs in prep would be amazing and he'd make Konan look like a light-weight/weakling. It's a shame we didn't get to see more of Deidara because Deidara has the potential to be quite an absurdly powerful opponent with even a little bit of prep.
But, lasty, S-Class chakra levels and S-Class feats are not mutually inclusive. I know that's obvious to you so I don't think I need to go further.
Originally posted by Q99
Ok, and we've also seen her stop a speedy attack, and the Madara attack that worked involved her being stabbed from behind.
"Speedy"? I disagree. I saw no speedy attack stopped.
Originally posted by Q99
Here's the translation I've got: http://img.mangastream.com/m/1/31829130/28fd5313e07b03e7d28abc4bbcdd9e2b.pngThat one's just talking danger sense.
I was using manga-reader.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/555/13
The translations are similar, but not quite the same. This is a bit frustrating, actually. hmm
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think summoning Gamabunta requires more chakra expenditure, personally. But you won't see me arguing for a 12-year-old Naruto being bumped up to an S.
If we compare it to the feats of A-class ninja, ignoring the of the paper creation entirely, the force used in holding back the water stacks up just as well, and would be just as impressive were it done with, say, sand or other substance. If we compare to Yamato moving an (also pre-existing) cliff once which tired him out, there's more force involved and more duration. Likewise, Gaara was exhausted by his sand tsunamis and making more sand back at the end of part 1.
10 minutes of holding back billions and billions of gallons of water is impressive.
We've been over the paper manipulation/creation portion. No need to revisit, right?
Like I said, this is S-class even without creation.
I would say Deidara getting to create billions of bombs in prep would be amazing and he'd make Konan look like a light-weight/weakling.
His mini-bombs are just as weak, it's the bigger ones that're impressive.
Also, he makes almost all of his bombs in advance too. We've seen what he does with prep- that bomb he dropped on Suna, and the C4 bombs.
But, lasty, S-Class chakra levels and S-Class feats are not mutually inclusive. I know that's obvious to you so I don't think I need to go further.
Yes, but that feat is S-class in effect as well as chakra.
Throw in S-class defense, the uncommon advantage of flight that only a few ninja have, and flexible jutsu (good for capturing, hiding by making fake terrain to hide in, etc.), and you've got an S-class ninja.
"Speedy"? I disagree. I saw no speedy attack stopped.
The "rush from the front with the same type of grab as the later attack you call a blitz" isn't a blitz?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Probably wouldn't take him long. I thought of it as a way to beat A a while back. And Minato is like me. awesomeWell yeah. He was too busy being stabbed to notice it. 😮
Or Madara. 😛
Don't flatter yourself. 😛
Effects of Rasengan on Raiton Shroud.
Nah. He'll need Bijuu Rasengan + Sasuke's Kirin to take Madara out awesome
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'Uncle Rubber' Lulz. Naruto's bawss.
Also, why can't someone own both the Strongest Shield and Strongest Sword? Itachi has both. awesome
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Don't flatter yourself. 😛Nah. He'll need Bijuu Rasengan + Sasuke's Kirin to take Madara out awesome
Also, why can't someone own both the Strongest Shield and Strongest Sword? Itachi has both. awesome
I don't. It is fact. awesome
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Hmmm...Minato uses FTG to get behind A, hit him with Rasengan. And then when A attacks, space time barrier to send his fist into A's own back through a seal placed there.
😮
Indeed. But he will try Bijuu Rasengan at first. Not that he can even use it at the moment.
Itachi's shield is likely stronger. 😮
Originally posted by King Kandy
OK, it was cool at first but now I think Kishi needs to slow down a bit. These edo-tensei guys are getting beaten without much of a chance to show off.
I don't think it is a problem of not getting to show off so much as it seems that there is no emotional investment. Someone, preferably Onoki because it goes with the theme, needs to die.
Think Muu was gonna warn them about Mizukage's technique?
Originally posted by King Kandy
OK, it was cool at first but now I think Kishi needs to slow down a bit. These edo-tensei guys are getting beaten without much of a chance to show off.
Reminds me of Bleach's FKT arc. facepalm2
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I don't. It is fact. awesomeIndeed. But he will try Bijuu Rasengan at first. Not that he can even use it at the moment.
Itachi's shield is likely stronger. 😮
Think Muu was gonna warn them about Mizukage's technique?
Wasn't talking about that. Was talking about Minato being like you. 😛
True, but he'll have tested it out against Sasuke first vin
Of course, but I think it's all relative. My shield is stronger than all shields, hence is the strongest shield. It may be stronger than my sword, but if my sword is stronger than all the other swords, it is still the strongest sword, even if it is weaker than the shield.
Plausible. I bet Mizukage will be pissed off at Naruto for putting down Muu.
Originally posted by Q99
If we compare it to the feats of A-class ninja, ignoring the of the paper creation entirely, the force used in holding back the water stacks up just as well, and would be just as impressive were it done with, say, sand or other substance. If we compare to Yamato moving an (also pre-existing) cliff once which tired him out, there's more force involved and more duration. Likewise, Gaara was exhausted by his sand tsunamis and making more sand back at the end of part 1.10 minutes of holding back billions and billions of gallons of water is impressive.
Did she really hold back that much water for 10 minutes...or was simply retrieving the paper that she had made prior the really point? I don't buy into your idea that she held the water in place for 10 minutes. There's no evidence to think that. The cliff feat, on it's own, is far more impressive to me. Mostly because he gave it the "fixins" such a bridge and a water fall: a more complex feat. Regardless...let's pretend for instance that she held the water in place. Why is this a chakra feat? How much chakra does it take to do that? We really don't know. It's all relative except with Naruto...because we got to see 'how much' with him during some training. It could be one of those just "tell it" and it does it. Kind of like Yamato making houses: once they are done, no more chakra needs to be used. To me...it just looked like she was pulling them out. While impressive...it was a massive amount of prep that did it, not some sort of on-the-fly feat that I like to see to be "truly S".
Originally posted by Q99
Like I said, this is S-class even without creation.
And this is where we will always disagree for infinity and forever.
Originally posted by Q99
His mini-bombs are just as weak, it's the bigger ones that're impressive.
Depends. He has varying bomb strength even at small sizes.
His micro-bombs would be the weakest. lol
Originally posted by Q99
Also, he makes almost all of his bombs in advance too. We've seen what he does with prep- that bomb he dropped on Suna, and the C4 bombs.
Really? Cause I don't believe that based on feats. He makes pretty much everything right then and there.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, but that feat is S-class in effect as well as chakra.
It's not: it's prep like I've been saying for pages. Prep does not equal s-class because a C-class can execute s-class plans.
Originally posted by Q99
Throw in S-class defense, the uncommon advantage of flight that only a few ninja have, and flexible jutsu (good for capturing, hiding by making fake terrain to hide in, etc.), and you've got an S-class ninja.
You mean a very linear technique mixed with a slow S-class ninja makes for a predictable ninja that can be defeated by most speedsters. Even Naruto has more variance than she does...and Naruto seems to be "re-create one jutsu in a billion different ways to make it seem impressive".
Originally posted by Q99
The "rush from the front with the same type of grab as the later attack you call a blitz" isn't a blitz?
You mean where he was running away and get WTF blown up?
Scans because I think you're referring to something else...despite you being quite clear that you were talking about when she blew Madara's shit right up.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Reminds me of Bleach's FKT arc. facepalm2Wasn't talking about that. Was talking about Minato being like you. 😛
True, but he'll have tested it out against Sasuke first vin
Of course, but I think it's all relative. My shield is stronger than all shields, hence is the strongest shield. It may be stronger than my sword, but if my sword is stronger than all the other swords, it is still the strongest sword, even if it is weaker than the shield.
Plausible. I bet Mizukage will be pissed off at Naruto for putting down Muu.
At least there are plenty of mooks to beat up! woot
So are you saying I'm smarter than him and he wouldn't figure it out? 😛
Or Madara first.
Well Dodai disagrees apparently.
This was the first time we've seen Mizukage look serious. He's pretty damn badass.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I don't think it is a problem of not getting to show off so much as it seems that there is no emotional investment. Someone, preferably Onoki because it goes with the theme, needs to die.Think Muu was gonna warn them about Mizukage's technique?
I blame the edo tensei format. Obviously, these sort of long, drawn out fights don't really work here, because the zombies regenerate all damage and never tire. So a long fight can't help but give a huge advantage to the kage. The problem is that that's what I wanted to see; I wanted to see all the new characters really getting a chance to kick as and take names, before being beaten in a long hard struggle. But the way of resolving the fights here (sealing), take effect as soon as the heroes land a good blow to stun the opponent, which is way too early in the fight.
These come off less like epic struggles and more like quick-draw contests.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
At least there are plenty of mooks to beat up! wootSo are you saying I'm smarter than him and he wouldn't figure it out? 😛
Or Madara first.
Well Dodai disagrees apparently.
This was the first time we've seen Mizukage look serious. He's pretty damn badass.
That's what the White Zetsu were there for, not the powerful ninja that Kabuto revived.
Not at all. I'm taking issue with you stating that Minato was modeled on you. 😛
Not if he faces Sasuke first.
Dodai's a rubber. vin
Yeah. Pity he's going to be taken out quickly, like Raikage.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That's what the White Zetsu were there for, not the powerful ninja that Kabuto revived.Not at all. I'm taking issue with you stating that Minato was modeled on you. 😛
Not if he faces Sasuke first.
Dodai's a rubber. vin
Yeah. Pity he's going to be taken out quickly, like Raikage.
No, I mean the good guy mooks for the bad guys to kill. Though I can kinda see why Kishi is hesitant to kill good guys at the moment.
He wasn't. We're merely similar. 😛
IF.
An Uncle Rubber. Weird.
Originally posted by King Kandy
But the way of resolving the fights here (sealing), take effect as soon as the heroes land a good blow to stun the opponent, which is way too early in the fight.These come off less like epic struggles and more like quick-draw contests.
Yea, true. I'd call them puzzle fights, it's all about figuring out what to do to beat this foe.
It's also the advantage of working with significant backup. You have what you need available.
Well, a lot of Naruto fights amount to puzzle fights. Sure we have fights where it comes down to power vs power, like Gaara vs his Daddy, but on the whole they feel strategic.
I'm calling it. Bee is gonna get done taking a piss and be the one to sweep in and stop the Mizukage. Fingers cross that Mizukage kills a non mook somehow.
Hell, he may even be able to capture something! Maybe Kabuto believes that 3rd Time is the charm. We have to top the Raikage after all.
Originally posted by King Kandythe sealing is the annoying part, it gives the joint army an out (now that kabuto's controlling directly now)
I feel like the problem is really in between the two. There would be more emotional attachment if I felt like there was a risk. This doesn't necessarily call for a death. I think the basic problem is that the edo-tensei fights are so short, the heroes are never really driven to the limits against them. If some important, named characters really got the crap beaten out of them trying to fight the kages, then the kages would come off better as well; that's what I meant by "show off".I blame the edo tensei format. Obviously, these sort of long, drawn out fights don't really work here, because the zombies regenerate all damage and never tire. So a long fight can't help but give a huge advantage to the kage. The problem is that that's what I wanted to see; I wanted to see all the new characters really getting a chance to kick as and take names, before being beaten in a long hard struggle. But the way of resolving the fights here (sealing), take effect as soon as the heroes land a good blow to stun the opponent, which is way too early in the fight.
These come off less like epic struggles and more like quick-draw contests.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
No, I mean the good guy mooks for the bad guys to kill. Though I can kinda see why Kishi is hesitant to kill good guys at the moment.He wasn't. We're merely similar. 😛
IF.
An Uncle Rubber. Weird.
Pah. Who cares about good guy mooks. 40,000 of them were taken out, and not one of them was a major good guy.
In only that you both like blondes. vin
Seriously cannot see Sasuke becoming the final Big Bad, or Kabuto for that matter. Sasuke needs to be redeemed, and Kabuto is just failing miserably now.
Well, he did give Naruto protection. vin
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Pah. Who cares about good guy mooks. 40,000 of them were taken out, and not one of them was a major good guy.In only that you both like blondes. vin
Seriously cannot see Sasuke becoming the final Big Bad, or Kabuto for that matter. Sasuke needs to be redeemed, and Kabuto is just failing miserably now.
Well, he did give Naruto protection. vin
Well....Fu was killed. He had a name. awesome
Neither of them have shown interest in blondes. 😮
I don't either. But I can see Madara confronting Naruto before his fight with Sasuke, Naruto using the Bijuu ball as a last resort but it is weaker than normal, and then Madara retreating. And yes, if Sasuke is not redeemed I will be mad. He is the ultimate challenge for Naruto and if our hero can't overcome it, that's a downer ending.
And it did end up breaking. vin
Originally posted by Q99
The sealing squads tend to stay back behind the more dangerous ninja until called forward.
Then kill them with characters like the Mizukage or Muu, who're essentially invisible enemies.
