Originally posted by Bentley
I think the chains point towards an Umumaki. Tobi is MITO!Erm... Naruto is the one getting his _ss hanged to him in that battle, good to know he was weakened.
Man. I'd love to see that. Q99 would be ****ing daring people to say Mito doesn't deserve to be ranked.
Indeed. Too bad he didn't realize how much it takes to fight a war.
On a tangent, I've realized how horribly broken Onoki and Mu, especially Mu, really are. See the sharingan itself is pretty haxxed as is. The Kekkai Tota make the sharingan look fairly balanced in comparison, which is ****ing saying something.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ what makes you say that?
The sharingan at it's very base is simply a pair of really good eyes. The ability to see through ninjutsu trough simply looking at the seals, the ability to see through genjutsu in the same way(though the illusion itself might be seen through due to imperfections in it), and the ability to see through taijutsu by examining how the opponent moves. Copying things is merely playing a game of monkey see monkey do, which even we could do. However this is balanced because unless a ninja has trained his own body to be able to keep up with his eyes, they won't do him any good. Especially in the taijutsu department.
The Mangekyou is arguably even more balanced. In order to achieve it one must go through a great personal lose and the user is forever cursed with deteriorating vision. You also don't really get a say in the eye techs you get. You might get the awesome Kamui or you might get Koto, which has a ridiculous charge time. Getting the Eternal Mangekyou requires even more of a personal(and random, leading me to think not many would think of such a solution) lose. Granted, this eliminates the blindness problem so it very well could be argued to be unbalanced.
Kekkei Tota is a bloodline that essentially allows the user to master the ability to fly and shoot ****ing nukes. The techniques likely need a good bit of practice to master sure but a little time and effort is hardly a cost compared to the sheer amount of damage one can do with these abilities. Sure, they drain chakra badly but you really shouldn't have to use more than 4 blasts to kill someone. The sharingan's power is great but it never appeared to break the balance of the series like Kekkei Tota. Hell, base sharingan is arguably weaker than the Byakugan and other Kekkei genkai.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ what makes you say that?
That Dust release is incredibly broken, even when compared to the Sharingan?
The regular Sharingan is hax in its own way, but Dust Release is on another level entirely to the point where masters like Mu and Onoki can take on armies and apparently bust a small village.
That said, Dust Release is no doubt friggin' hard to get. Odds must be incredibly high.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The sharingan at it's very base is simply a pair of really good eyes. The ability to see through ninjutsu trough simply looking at the seals, the ability to see through genjutsu in the same way(though the illusion itself might be seen through due to imperfections in it), and the ability to see through taijutsu by examining how the opponent moves. Copying things is merely playing a game of monkey see monkey do, which even we could do. However this is balanced because unless a ninja has trained his own body to be able to keep up with his eyes, they won't do him any good. Especially in the taijutsu department.The Mangekyou is arguably even more balanced. In order to achieve it one must go through a great personal lose and the user is forever cursed with deteriorating vision. You also don't really get a say in the eye techs you get. You might get the awesome Kamui or you might get Koto, which has a ridiculous charge time. Getting the Eternal Mangekyou requires even more of a personal(and random, leading me to think not many would think of such a solution) lose. Granted, this eliminates the blindness problem so it very well could be argued to be unbalanced.
Kekkei Tota is a bloodline that essentially allows the user to master the ability to fly and shoot ****ing nukes. The techniques likely need a good bit of practice to master sure but a little time and effort is hardly a cost compared to the sheer amount of damage one can do with these abilities. Sure, they drain chakra badly but you really shouldn't have to use more than 4 blasts to kill someone. The sharingan's power is great but it never appeared to break the balance of the series like Kekkei Tota. Hell, base sharingan is arguably weaker than the Byakugan and other Kekkei genkai.
Copying can come instinctively and automatically, even if your body's reflexes cannot keep up with your eyes. You also need to see the tech once to copy it near-flawlessly. People like us would need at least 2 demonstrations to copy something, and that too, half-assedly.
Likely need a lot of practice to master a Dust Release tech. Mu is incredibly broken because he can fly, use 3 elements, sense chakra, become nearly undetectable, and split in half to avoid death at the cost of his Dust Release, all of which are independent of Dust Release, with the possible exception of flight; though Onoki's weight affecting techs are Earth-related.
Also, 3 Tomoe Sharingan (and upwards) are all > Byakugan IMO.
And of course, Sharingan evolves into the Rinnegan, which is superior to Dust Release. 313
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. But that requires the use of Senju cells. 😛And I dunno. 3 Tomoe Sharingan allows for hella good precog but the Byakugan has such a large range. I could see sharingan users having more of a problem with Kidomaru's attacks compared to Byakugan users.
MS needs the emotions felt from the loss of a loved one and EMS needs a new set of eyeballs. Still an evolution though. 😛
Eh, conversely, I could see Byakugan users having a big problem with anyone having the speed of Feral Initial Mode Naruto. 😛
Seriously though, Byakugan isn't the boon the Sharingan is when it comes to combat. Not unless you know Gentle Fist.
Wonder if a Rinnegan user could use Dust Release? Maybe Tobi should try it out, there isn't any harm in experimenting you know?
Wow....the Byakugan kind of sucks when your not a Hyuga and even then still doesn't make you a big gun. Which makes me wonder how Kakashi came to the conclusion that the Byakuya is a distant ancestor of the current Sharingan? 😐
Rinnegan's yet to show even dual-element use.
Which makes me wonder how Kakashi came to the conclusion that the Byakuya is a distant ancestor of the current Sharingan?
Because they both have similar vision abilities? Something can be much stronger than what it came from.
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I'll note that a byakugan is a great strategic weapon. Knowing precisely where your opponents are is very powerful in a war, often more-so than an individual being personally stronger.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
MS needs the emotions felt from the loss of a loved one and EMS needs a new set of eyeballs. Still an evolution though. 😛Eh, conversely, I could see Byakugan users having a big problem with anyone having the speed of Feral Initial Mode Naruto. 😛
Seriously though, Byakugan isn't the boon the Sharingan is when it comes to combat. Not unless you know Gentle Fist.
Both are easier to get than Senju cells.
Eh, keep the Trigrams going. Unless they're fast enough to dodge. Quite a number are. And really with the Byakugan I'd figure one could slowly figure out gentle fist. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Both are easier to get than Senju cells.Eh, keep the Trigrams going. Unless they're fast enough to dodge. Quite a number are. And really with the Byakugan I'd figure one could slowly figure out gentle fist. 😛
Depends.
Of course, I was being a smartass. 😛
Orochimaru figured out gentle-fist. vin
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think Rinnangan being able to summon meteors out of the ether is enough to put it >>>>>>> everything else personally.
Correction: giant ****in' asteroids.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I got asked a hilarious and yet, an oddly intriguing question todayIf an armless Neji got into a fight with a blind Sasuke (pre itachi fight)
who would win?
Don't ask...
Neji. Cause he can still see and can still do his spinny chakra thing while kicking.
Almost all of Sasuke's techs being successfully deployed rely on his vision or the sharingan.