Originally posted by Q99
Has anyone in Naruto ever been seriously holding back in a situation like that?I don't think so. Some handicaps, but the only time you see much holding back is playing with a weaker foe.
Well Kakashi tends to hold back from just killing opponents with Kamui. Given how much the technique put him in the hospital for two weeks, it's moderately justified.
I dunno, I'm struggling to think of really bad instances where that has happened.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is one if the worst things about the Karakura town arc. The sheer amount of ****ing around that happens in that fight is ridiculous. How are we supposed to take the fights seriously when everyone is holding back? Ukitake was almost the worst, playing around with that girl when he should have just knocked her out instantly, or if he has such a problem fighting a little girl, switched opponents. She was no threat to him at all and he's a freaking Captain. Kyoraku and Stark were fricking dancing most of their fight. No drama or tension at all. Its like an entire town of people wasn't about to be massacred and they were just having a tea-party.And of course Yama's the worst. What the hell was he even doing during all those long-ass fights? Taking a nap. Man that arc sucked balls.
Well, in Ukitake's defense, his Shikai seemed tailor made to fight Stark. How strong his bankai(and Shinsui's) is up in the air at the moment.
You know who the coolest Captain at Karakura town was? Soi-Fon. She did not **** around after guaging the enemies power. She forced herself to use bankai twice, was missing an arm, and still fought against Aizen. Talk about some ****ing stamina.
AuraWell Kakashi tends to hold back from just killing opponents with Kamui. Given how much the technique put him in the hospital for two weeks, it's moderately justified.
I dunno, I'm struggling to think of really bad instances where that has happened.
Yea, some people do hold back because of practical reasons like that, but that's fairly sensible.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The only one I can think of is Orochimaru in the forest of death. But that was him just playing around to see how strong Sasuke was.Other than that I guess Naruto is too well written to have such shitty stupid actions in it.
Edit: Actually the Mizukage ****ing around with his Clam might count.
Mm, true, but the Mizukage was actually rooting for the allies, he simply had to fight.
But didn't Mr.Yodaime Kazekage tried to kill his son again after realizing the Shukaku hadn't taken over him?
Muu's an awesome ******* though. It's too bad he's less than useless now 🙁
Aura: Toshiro didn't screw around in his fight either; it's just that he sucks as a captain and Halibel sucks as a 3rd Espada.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not nearly as long as the others. His plan for Yamamoto which hinged on Wonderweiss...who was the backup. Meaning if Yamamoto hadn't been a lazy ass, he could have torched all of the Espada fairly easily.Ah, but he knew Naruto had that power via Kisame's intel. And it can still fail in the sense that he is underestimating Naruto. But he seems to be prepared. The only thing he probably didn't plan for was the Bijuu giving Naruto chakra. That can't be planned for.
Hawter. Breasts and stuff. But Rukia seems more cute.
No. >_>
Actually, Wonderweiss' arrival was the signal that Aizen wanted to put his plan into motion. Guessing the Espada were just there to stall for time. But the plan itself was still a Xanatos Gambit given what happened when Wonderweiss fought Yamamoto, even though Wonderweiss arrived late.
Which he received right after he got the Rinnegan, and after Kabuto had joined him. He had his plans for the Bijuu laid out quite a while before the Kage Summit, where he basically asked for the Bijuu, and when he was denied, he declared war.
So still a Batman Gambit IMO, since he counted on Naruto gaining the Kyuubi's ability to sense Emotions, and intervening in the war.
~ Let me re-read those pages. I basically speed-read them.
Naw. Orihime is both hawter and cuter. Her hair after the TS makes the latter so.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well Soi-fon was more badass overall but Toshiro produced on of the funniest moments in all of Bleach.But these two captains pale in comparison to the sheer dickery of the top tier captains...and vizards who are not Hachi.
Edit: Damnit Nephthys! I wanted to say Soi-Fon was more badass first.
Yeah, but Toshiro stabbing Hinamori and then rage-gasming is not impressive on Toshiro's part, but Aizen's.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Actually, Wonderweiss' arrival was the signal that Aizen wanted to put his plan into motion. Guessing the Espada were just there to stall for time. But the plan itself was still a Xanatos Gambit given what happened when Wonderweiss fought Yamamoto, even though Wonderweiss arrived late.Which he received right after he got the Rinnegan, and after Kabuto had joined him. He had his plans for the Bijuu laid out quite a while before the Kage Summit, where he basically asked for the Bijuu, and when he was denied, he declared war.
So still a Batman Gambit IMO, since he counted on Naruto gaining the Kyuubi's ability to sense Emotions, and intervening in the war.Naw. Orihime is both hawter and cuter. Her hair after the TS makes the latter so.
Si. Aizen's plan would have failed though if Yamamoto had not been too lazy. And si, the plan worked out fairly well. Still failed in the sense that he didn't kill Yamamoto but whatever.
Nah. He made his plan based around the info he had. If Naruto didn't have the power, the Zetsu would just slaughter the Shinobi anyway. He had it pretty well planned out.
No.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Si. Aizen's plan would have failed though if Yamamoto had not been too lazy. And si, the plan worked out fairly well. Still failed in the sense that he didn't kill Yamamoto but whatever.Nah. He made his plan based around the info he had. If Naruto didn't have the power, the Zetsu would just slaughter the Shinobi anyway. He had it pretty well planned out.
No.
He had to stop Yamamoto, not kill him, and he was apparently waiting for something. srug
Nah, he adapted his plan to Kabuto's involvement and the info he got from Yamato, but the plan was still to get the remaining Bijuu. It's the only way I see his actions at the Kage Summit being logical. His plan for the war itself still hinged on Naruto being drawn out and using his powers as a Jinchuurikii. He had it well planned out, but I don't see it being a Xanatos Gambit, but a Batman one.
Your opinion. Which is quite clearly, shitty and wrong. 131
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He had to stop Yamamoto, not kill him, and he was apparently waiting for something. srugNah, he adapted his plan to Kabuto's involvement and the info he got from Yamato, but the plan was still to get the remaining Bijuu. It's the only way I see his actions at the Kage Summit being logical. His plan for the war itself still hinged on Naruto being drawn out and using his powers as a Jinchuurikii. He had it well planned out, but I don't see it being a Xanatos Gambit, but a Batman one.
Your opinion. Which is quite clearly, shitty and wrong. 131
Indeed. But, since it had a possibility of failure, it is not a Xanatos Gambit.
He knew there was going to be war at the Summit. And not really. He had the Zetsu before the Summit more likely than not. Unless he grew them overnight. It is a Xanatos Gambit. 313
Actually it's just my incredible bias at work more than anything. 😆
Originally posted by NemeBro
........ Come on man, why do that?Why tell me that when I am just now starting out the series?
Seriously, why? 😐
And I have heard him described as the diet coke version of Sol Badguy myself.
I had no idea that you were not up to date. You were coming off far more more knowledgeable and authoritative on this manga than I. His death happened many chapters ago. I had no way of knowing you were years behind.
Surprises are not something I enjoy BUT...I do like them to remain a mystery when it come to stories. I detest it when someone ruins the story or plot of something I enjoy. I promise on my laptop (serious business) that I did not intend to ruin some of the plot.
I sincerely apologize for ruining that for you.
I just did a quick google search and found it in a few seconds and didn't think anything of it because I wasn't going to continue reading.
If it helps, research shows that people enjoy stories more if they are "spoiled": http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/11/7334977-spoiler-alert-spoilers-dont-ruin-stories-after-all
So not all harm was done. Right? RIGHT? 🙁
Originally posted by NemeBro
That's gay.
You know you liked it. 😐
Originally posted by NemeBro
Nah.🙂
^ See that up there? ^
I have found it to induce more constipated fury in members than any mere trollface. Just the arrogance of it all.
Thank you for giving me tips on how to troll. However, I prefer trolling in real life. cheese
Pranksters: The original trolls. uhuh
And, I don't care if we go off topic too much as long as we are relating it back to Naruto eventually. This topic, for me, is more about contrasting it with the story telling of Naruto.
Naruto story telling is a 7 to 7.5 for me (on a 10 point scale).
Negima is a 4 (not particularly enjoyable but not horrible).
5 is average/mediocre.
The Fountain's story is a 9 for me, to put on scale what I give out for truly amazing stories.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. But, since it had a possibility of failure, it is not a Xanatos Gambit.He knew there was going to be war at the Summit. And not really. He had the Zetsu before the Summit more likely than not. Unless he grew them overnight. It is a Xanatos Gambit. 313
Actually it's just my incredible bias at work more than anything. 😆
The plan itself never had a possibility of failure if it was set in motion. If Yamamoto decided to end the Espada right at the start, the plan would still not have been put in motion until Wonderweiss turned up.
If Yamamoto did decide to torch everyone with Wonderweiss obviously not present, he ends up taking out his own subordinates, while Aizen could escape unscathed due to his broken power, then have Wonderweiss turn up.
Sorry, I cannot keep track of your point. Had a really long day.
My point is that his plan was to get the Bijuu, and he started that off by going to the Summit, asking for them, and using their refusal to declare war. The War was to draw them out, with a plan drawn up long ago, and considering they were mediocre fighters even after being beefed up by Kabuto, their purpose was to draw the Jinchuurikii out of hiding, which hinged on the others hiding them, Naruto acquiring the Kyuubi's power like Mito did, and then using his detection abilities in the war.
So it's either a very well thought Batman Gambit, or Xanatos Speed Chess, or a combination of both. I don't see all possible, predictable outcomes benefiting Tobi.
i.e. you're wrong. 😛
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The plan itself never had a possibility of failure if it was set in motion. If Yamamoto decided to end the Espada right at the start, the plan would still not have been put in motion until Wonderweiss turned up.
If Yamamoto did decide to torch everyone with Wonderweiss obviously not present, he ends up taking out his own subordinates, while Aizen could escape unscathed due to his broken power, then have Wonderweiss turn up.
Unless of course someone else was able to fight Wonderweiss instead. 🙂
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sorry, I cannot keep track of your point. Had a really long day.
My point is that his plan was to get the Bijuu, and he started that off by going to the Summit, asking for them, and using their refusal to declare war. The War was to draw them out, with a plan drawn up long ago, and considering they were mediocre fighters even after being beefed up by Kabuto, their purpose was to draw the Jinchuurikii out of hiding, which hinged on the others hiding them, Naruto acquiring the Kyuubi's power like Mito did, and then using his detection abilities in the war.
So it's either a very well thought Batman Gambit, or Xanatos Speed Chess, or a combination of both. I don't see all possible, predictable outcomes benefiting Tobi.i.e. you're wrong. 😛
Problem: Tobi's plan doesn't hinge on anything. If Naruto didn't gain the ability to sense negative emotions, the Zetsu would slowly but surely chip away at the Shinobi Forces until there was nothing left to stop him from just taking Naruto and Bee. Naruto gaining the Kyuubi power does not change that as a possibility. If Naruto gained Mito's power, than he can still wait until Naruto is out into the opening. In order for the Shinobi to win, they'd have to use him.
1. Naruto doesn't gain the KCM: Results in Tobi chipping away until the Shinobi are all gone.
2. Naruto gains the mode: Needs to come out into the opening in order to help, and can be caught.
Win-Win. =D
Nah.