It IS atop the Halifirien mountain at the latter half of the Third Age, it was there during the War of the Ring. His body and his tomb's exact location remained a very mysterious secret at the beginning; at the first part of the Third Age, they don't even know where it is, they just discovered his tomb on Halifirien at the latter part of the Third Age, at least that's how I understood it. But if ever I'm wrong with this, I suppose he was also laid later in Rath Dinen like Exa said, he's a King anyway.
Originally posted by shadowy_blue
It IS atop the Halifirien mountain at the latter half of the Third Age, it was there during the War of the Ring. His body and his tomb's exact location remained a very mysterious secret at the beginning; at the first part of the Third Age, they don't even know where it is, they just discovered his tomb on Halifirien at the latter part of the Third Age, at least that's how I understood it. But if ever I'm wrong with this, I suppose he was also laid later in Rath Dinen like Exa said, he's a King anyway.
I think Isildur made this hill dedicated to Elendil on Amon Anwar in the first or second year of the Third Age, but his body was brought there later, wasnt it?
*looks it up*
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sry for the double post, too late for editing
from the unfinished tales:
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Then Cirion went up the stair with Eorl and the others followed; and when they came to the summit they saw there a wide oval place of level turf, unfenced, but at its eastern end ther estood a low mound on which grew the white flowers of alfirin, and the westering sun touched them with gold. Then the Lord of Dol Amroth, chief of those in the company of Cirion, went towards the mound and saw, lying on the grass before it and yet unmarred by weed or weather, a black stone; and on the stone three letters were engraved. Then he said to Cirion:
“Is this then a tomb? But what great man of old lies here?”
“Have you not read the letters?” said Cirion.
“I have,” said the Prince, “and therefore I wonder; for the letters are lambe, ando, lambe, but there is no tomb for Elendil, nor has any man since his day dared to use that name.”
“Nonetheless this is his tomb,” said Cirion; “and from it comes the awe that dwells on this hill and in the woods below. From Isildur who raised it to Meneldil who succeeded him, and so down all the line of Kings, and down the line of the Stewards even to myself, this tomb has been kept a secret by Isildur’s command. For he said: “Here is the mid-point of the Kingdom of the South, and here shall the memorial of Elendil the Faithful abide in the keeping of the Valar, while the Kingdom endures. This hill shall be a hallow, and let no man disturb its peace and silence, unless he be an heir of Elendil.”
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It is said that when Isildur returned from the War of the Last Alliance he remained for a time in Gondor, ordering the realm and instructing Meneldil his nephew, before he himself departed to take up the kingship of Arnor. With Meneldil and a company of trusted friends he made a journey about the borders of all the lands to which Gondor laid claim; and as they were returning from the northern bound to Anórien they came to the high hill that was then called Eilenaer but was afterwards called Amon Anwar, ‘Hill of Awe’. That was near to the centre of the lands of Gondor. They made a path through the dense woods of its northward slopes, and so came to its summit, which was green and treeless. There they made a level space, and at its eastward end they raised a mound; within the mound Isildur laid a casket that he bore with him. Then he said: “This is a tomb and memorial of Elendil the Faithful. Here it shall stand at the mid-point of the Kingdom of the South in the keeping of the Valar, while the Kingdom endures; and this place shall be a hallow that none shall profane. Let no man disturb its silence and peace, unless he be an heir of Elendil.”
They made a stone stair from the fringe of the woods up to the crown of the hill; and Isildur said: “Up this stair let no man climb, save the King, and those that he brings with him, if he bids them follow him.” Then all those present were sworn to secrecy; but Isildur gave this counsel to Meneldil, that the King should visit the hallow from time to time, and especially when he felt the need of wisdom in days of danger or distress; and thither also he should bring his heir, when he was full-grown to manhood, and tell him of the making of the hallow, and reveal to him the secrets of the realm and other matters that he should know.
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elvish text in opening pages of lotr books
(a thread along theses lines might have already been made coz i seen heaps of ones about elvish fonrts but maybe not about this specific thing)
yeah on basically all the lord of the rings books on wat would be the second and third page - the two main pages at the begining after the intro - yeah at the top and bottom theres these lines of elvish (and in main books dwarvish but i already figured out wat that says) text, theres about one or two lines of it and is a repeat on each page - same text on page 2 as on page 3
anyway i translated the writing on the other books i.e. the silmarillion and the books i have read in the history of middle earth series. but just now i tryed to translate the elvish text in the three main lotr books (its the same in all three)
i got some of it but the thing is
a)i swear some of its in some form of elvish language
b) my version has really thick writing so its sort of blurred and therefore hard to define
c) (unless its just the bold bodgy text in my version) theres heaos of unconventional tengwar characters that i never seen before and have no idea wat they mean
so yeah - can anyone either give me a clearer version of thjis text or any other such help in translating it????
Re: elvish text in opening pages of lotr books
Originally posted by shadow link
a)i swear some of its in some form of elvish languageb) my version has really thick writing so its sort of blurred and therefore hard to define
the text says
"Of Westmarch by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien: ?Herein is set forth the history of the war of the ring and the return of the king as seen by the hobbits"
well litterally it says
"vwestmarchby jhonronaldruuel tolkiien. herin izsetforth dhhistorii vv wr vv ri[ng] nde dh return vv ki[ng] azseen bydh hobbits."
Moi also has some questions now...
-any idea for other words / short descriptions for the shaft of a dart - could it theoretically also be named stem?
-how dyou call it when an arrow is broken, like, how could you name the fragments of it?
-isnt there any sindarin word for "bode" or "promise" or something like that???
-better (more beautiful 😄 ) words for "evil"/"bad"/"ill" ["it boded ill"] than um or faeg (which doesnt really mean "evil"😉?
-other expressions for "dearly prized"? With easier words?
Finnish manuscript? What dyou mean?
About the finnish language, the grammar? (C.N.E. Eliot "A Finnish Grammar" - 1890)
^ this is the book about which he wrote
"It was like discovering a complete wine-cellar filled with bottles of an amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before. It quite intoxicated me; and I gave up the attempt to invent an 'unrecorded' Germanic language, and my 'own language' -- or series of invented languages -- became heavily Finnicized in phonetic pattern and structure"
but... what dyou mean with the reconstruction thing?
Originally posted by pip-foot
hey, i know this has nothing to do with LOTR, but how do you make the writing in your siggy so small and fit all those names?
fit all the names? good question, I dont know 🙂 I tried about 20 times and suddenly it worked 😛
Originally posted by mors823
I'm just wondering, what's the difference between Nandor and Silvian elves? This has been confusing me for a bit. Also, what ever happened to the Dark elves. There's no mention of them in the SWil.
Silvan elves is the english name 😛 ... and its just a name for parts of the Nandor - those who stayed in Mirkwood (while others travelled to the south, the later coast, or over the Ered Lindon into Beleriand/Ossiring ->Laiquendi)
Nope there isnt any mention bout them ... some of them later journeyed to Eriador and to Beleriand, some became the "Kaukareldar" (those that were caught by Morgoth or got lost in the woods), some most probably died ^^ ... and some taught the Mortals to speak, but I think they also arent mentioned later anymore. The rest that didnt live in Lórien, Mirkwood or smaller elven realms (Edhellond?) most probably still lived in the far east near the Orocarni-mountains or perhaps travelled southwards (like FF Tirael?)... Isnt there something in the "peoples of middleearth"? *will read*