USH'S MATRIX GAME FOURTH ASSIGNMENT (PHILOSOPHY PATH)- 'The Journey'

Melitus, if he were here, would raise an eyebrow.

"So you would say that a decision based upon intentionally misleading information is invalid?"

"No."

"He may say no, but I say yes. Its a mixed view but ultimately its validity in relality is valid, but the choice...its not really the same decision if information is withheld or misleading, ya know?"

"Is it not still valid? It's not so much a fair choice, but it is valid."

Phew, I thought you guys would never seriously diverge!

Melitus is putting forward the idea that the definition of choice involved a level of control. If that control is lost from you, then it was not really a choice at all- and being mislead would be the most obvious way for you to lose such control.

So far Castor agrees, Rade agrees only IF, specifcally, it was misleading information, and Azrael says no, it was still a choice.

Just to clear it up. Being mislead, but still getting to make a choice, is a choice, although just guessing isnt so much of one 🙂

yeah, ush..that's kind of where i stand

So, waiting to see what response we get from Fire and Heph!

Actually, jut to fine tune some of these things, Melitus has another question for you on the same theme.

"If we make this less about choice and more about assumptions built on information... theories are built on a set of assumptions, correct? If those assumptions turn out to be incorrect, does this not invalidate the theory? At the very best, the theory would only be true by coincidence."

"a decision based on false assumptions is invalid"

Commendably clear! Thankyou...

To help me get a clearer view on the other three, the question I just asked will be helpful to answer, please...

"every theory is build on assumptions, if the assumptions appear to be incorrect the theory becomes invalid, since the base of most theories from modern day science is that it works every time"

You didn't have to answer that Fire, but your answer is very consistent and so is welcomed.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Actually, jut to fine tune some of these things, Melitus has another question for you on the same theme.

"If we make this less about choice and more about assumptions built on information... theories are built on a set of assumptions, correct? If those assumptions turn out to be incorrect, does this not invalidate the theory? At the very best, the theory would only be true by coincidence."

yes, this is true. Although, one tries to replace assumptions with certainties when trying to reach a theory. That's not always possible, ofcourse...

"In many ways, the decision reached in making a choice is very similar to that involved in forming a theory. So, if the information you used to make a decision was false, does that not make things the same way? That your choice would be right, at best, only by coincidence?"

"yes. Though a choice's value of right or wrong is far more relative than in a theory's case. "

"Would you be happier if I replaced ' be right' with 'achieve the desired consequence'?"

yes

"So if there was no chance of your choice achieving the desired consequence- save by coincidence- did the choice really have any value?"

can you rephrase? 🙂 it's very difficult to give an answer on that....i AM thinking of something...but i want to be sure it's for the right thing..