USH'S MATRIX GAME FOURTH ASSIGNMENT (PHILOSOPHY PATH)- 'The Journey'

Still, you gotta work out who's who... 😛 That's where I'm stuck.

Very well, Castor, you can consider that accepted.

And indeedy so, Azrael, but it is important that all your reasoning is sound, not just the hard bits. You may have to concede that you cannot distinguish the two, you know...

Therefore leaving it to chance? May as well not have any arguement then...

if you cannot distinguish isnt that gonna result in the death of both?

Only if you submit an argument that involves a distinction. You keep making assumptions about what you have to submit that are not necessarily so. Your arguments do not have to be clever, or a stroke of genius/inspiration- or even be a total solution to the problem.

It just has to be the best submission you can make to the problem based on your philosophy. I just want people to be aware that trying to over-simplify the problem by pretending you both agree that X must die, so get drinking X will not get you anywhere. That, after all, is looking at the problem far too much as if there are clues left about how to distinguish AI from real, which is treating it like a logic puzzle again.

Okay. So it still leaves it down to chance. I mean, how can I say something liek that if I don't distinguish who's who, cos Azrael has a 50/50 chance of dying.

Well, if you are locked into that logic, Azrael, it is not easy to help you. But it is absolutely not true that all submissions involve that. In fact, no submisison should.

What about if I didn't mind who died?

The submission dont have to be base don a difference. I tried to submit my views based on mny characters beliefs, and I believe that the beliefe would be accepted if i could only decide which is to drink and for what reason.

If you actually don't mind who dies, Azrael, then that works.

But... is that actually what you think? That is a 50/50 death chance, after all.

And yes, Castor's problem is not so much distingushing the AI, but thinking of a reason of how they both agree which one of them drinks- because right now either Castor A thinks he should drink, in which case Castor B thinks he (Castor B) should drink, or A thinks B should drink- in which case, B thinks A!

So every approach has its own problems.

But surely if a rogue agent can work just as well, possibly better than the real Azrael, then it wouldn't matter who died, and therefore we could just choose one to drink? Although then the A wants B to drink or A wants A to drink thing comes around again.

Yup... it is an interesting contrast to Castor if you think the AI is just as good, or maybe better, as the orignal.

Inside the matrix maybe, but there are things that go on outside that a matrix-bound rebel could never know

No, because if they were part of a team with outsiders, then they would. One problem beign agents I suppose. So if each is equally good, can I submit that all they have to do is decide who drinks?

i may be able to work something out on the making the other one drink or don't drink, as aopposed to me...but wich one of us drinks...is still up to chance 😬

Well, the only reason to say one is more deserving of life than the other is as part of a submission about who should drink, so if that's not a concern of yours you would use other factors, of course.

Well, gimme your reasoning so far, Dexx.

it's based upon not being able to distinguish us. And me telling that to him. WE have to accept that we can't really decide who's the real Rade. So all we have to do is really both decide which one of us will drink. A or B. Both me and him agree on one...and then.....there's a 50% chance that our choice killed the real Rade....there's by bugger 😉

Remember, you make your final submission to Melitus, not your other self. So you have to make your mind up independantly and give a submission your other self will accept.

*sobs*